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Ephederine, caffine causes stress to your body raises cortisol and depletes neurotransmitters as you already know. If stress is not resolved (mental or physical) then it can lead into many other problems which affecting the hypothalmus that control blood sugar regularation,liver functions, testosterone, thyroid, adrenals, as well as immune system. Still which you are expereincing as well as I. But before this you did mention you were under alot of pressure already so the ephederine and caffine with lifestyle pushed you over the edge and body did not recovery. Body will recover when stress (whether it be phyiscal , mental, emotioin, chemical) is identified and properly addressed. It is good that you are going to a medical university because they are much more open and thorough then other hospitals.
 
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that's the reason my doctor is trying to get me in. UCSF only takes the unusual and rare cases, which fits me to a 'T.' They run all the tests.
 
I tried to get into the unversity hospital here and my Dr did not even try and just gave me excuse you have to be on your death bed in order to get in. Atleast your dr is trying and that is the main thing.
 
OTB, you need to start eating like a hypoglycemic patient, because thats what you are, you produce too much insulin in response to stress. You no longer control your response to stress hormone very well, its 'on' all the time.

Excess insulin causes changes in your liver function, including the production of cholesterol and bile acids.

Bile acids - ones that aren't 'buffered' by attachment of taurine before they are stored in your gallbladder - are the reason for your intestinal problems. They are highly irritating to your gut lining and they cause cramping and inflammation. Your brain chemistry related to a lack of GABA also sends nerve impulses to your intestines thru your spinal column. That worsens the situation.

Your GI problems are tied to too much acidic bile being released and that causes what we call fast gastric emptying. Your fatty burger and fries? The fat slows down gastric emptying and ties up some of the irritating bile acids. A temporary fix. Too bad the fats cause insulin release. Back to square one.

By fucking with your intestines with various treatments and diet, you have altered the bacterial content of your gut. Bacterai convert bile acids from one form to another, those are reabsorbed, sent to your liver and thats where buffering (we call it conjugation) occurs with taurine. Your bacteria don't do this conversion correctly and you don't have the taurine to conjugate and buffer the bile.

Your liver no longer produced the needed taurine very efficiently, thanks to insulin overproduction from your diet and from stress.

Taurine and a neurotransmitter called GABA regulate brain chemistry very closely. Your liver and brain are tied together in their manufacture of taurine and GABA, and a suite of other related compounds. Thats screwed up, and has led to your anxiety and GI problems.

To fix your problems, you must fix your liver and brain chemistry and that means dietary management of glucose and insulin, use of corrective supplements (aleady covered here) to meet the shortfalls in taurine, GABA and sulfur containing compounds normally produced in liver (but not yours in its current impaired state), improved sleep habits and active stress management.

The only item that the doctors at UCSF should be asking: do you have a family genetic metabolic disorder in liver that has been made many times worse by what happened over the last several years?

Even if they find something, the recipe to bring your health back will still be the same, maybe with the addition of one or two more supplements.

That was the whole point of suggesitng you have the metabolic analysis test done once you have followed a corrective program for a couple of months...make sure we have all of the impaired chemical pathways in liver working better. If one is seriously out of whack, thats how we find it.
 
^^^what part of tell me what I should be eating did u not understand?
 
Which part of a low carb dieting do you not understand, after being active in bodybuilding for years?

Frequent small meals, slow release carbs, heathy unaturated fats like fish oil and olive oil - common features of most strenth training nutrition.
 
anyone can tell u i was on a low carb, high protein diet right up until i got sick...eating like that just lowers my energy even further
 
oaktownboy said:
instead of playing these mind games with me, why don't u just come right out and tell me what u think i should be eating?
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WHY are you still trying to get help from people on the internet, rather than doctors? Or should I say, IN ADDITION to doctors?

It is not to discredit Trouble or anyone else who has tried to help you, but if you are going to go see this specialist or that one, why don't you do that FIRST instead of going back and forth between them and us here, where everyone is smacking you down with information and possibilities and diagnoses and suggestions, doing nothing more than confusing you??

I read this thread regularly and it just gets increasingly frustrating to see what is going on.

Yes, the people here trying to help you have the best of intentions and are wonderful for trying to tackle your problem and help you find a solution. I give them that. It's FANTASTIC. But at the end of the day, this is the internet. While it's a good place to glean some information, some leads, which you can then take to your doctors in case there are things you think might help him or her pinpoint what is wrong, it is not where you should be getting your healthcare advice and specific instructions on what to take and what to do. This isn't the same as saying, "woops, i've gone and gained some weight, what do you guys think i should eat to lose 10 pounds?"

This is a serious health issue, not a few pounds or increasing your bench 1RM.

I will likely draw a lot of criticism by saying any of this, but i don't care. I also realize I may not know the whole story if you are communicating with Trouble and others privately, off this thread as well.

I just want to see you get better, and all i see here is compounding confusion from people who mean well.
 
i am working with my doctors..but they are just as confused as I am..that is why I made this thread in the first place. In the beginning, I was told I was depressed and was put on various anti-depressants. Obviously I have come a long way since then. But since my doctors and I have no idea what the hell is going on, I need all the advice from doctors I can get.
 
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i am working with my doctors..but they are just as confused as I am..that is why I made this thread in the first place. In the beginning, I was told I was depressed and was put on various anti-depressants. Obviously I have come a long way since then. But since my doctors and I have no idea what the hell is going on, I need all the advice from doctors I can get.
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i understand what you're saying, and it doesn't hurt to get all the credible input you can, regarding what may be your problem, but rather than following what you are told HERE, it might be best to take it to the doctors who are caring for you personally, and have them review this stuff, instead of saying, "ok so what do i eat. or what do i take".

It's one thing to help your doctors research your problem (which is what this thread is - or SHOULD BE) and work together to come to a solution. It's another thing to take this research and accept it as gospel without consulting with the people who are seeing you and running your tests and monitoring your health.

Again, just my opinion. Don't mean to step on toes. It is just very alarming to me what is going on here.
 
For now let the medical drs do their job and their diagnoses and testing. It has been verified you have altered liver pathways by metabolic testing you did that is a known fact. Something internally may be causing your anxiety and she already mentioned that imbalance previously, but what triggered was lifestyle and metabolic stress we placed on our body from dieting, overtraining, ect. In corporating what supplments she recommended will no harm you but will help you to return you to proper balance From what I have been told She is a doctor. In her post above she does an excellent job explaining the sequence of events of how they affected you like a domino affect and I am sure once the drs start testing you they will find the imbalance she has mentioned at the begnning of the post. By having a Balanced diet and eating equal amounts of lean protein, slow buring carbs (non gluten grains), veggies and adding some olive oil moderation 4-6 times a day this will help to keep your blood sugar stable.
The thing that I hope people take home from all of this is we govern our health and the paths we choose and enviroment we are exposed to will ultimately affect its out come.
 
what kinds of gluten-free grains do u recommend?
 
creme of rice, rice bran, organic brown rice, brown rice cakes, yams, sweetpotatoes. There are gluten free pastas out there at health food stores, goto health food store and look for gluten free section. Remeber you did test high for glidians on test so gluten free may be the safest route to avoid any more inflammation adding olive oil to food will help with gut issues and fat digestion. Make sure it is extravirgin olive oil. I would lay off any dairy or milk products because with things going on inside it could make things worse ( mentioned in previous threads). Just do not gorge on carbs BALANCE !! keep fruits to a minimal and veggies moderation. Adding in soluable fiber slowly will help control blood sugar and also slow food leaving your stomach so fast (mentioined above) Super digestive enyme by now one with each meal to help aid in digestion. Your body needs carbs the correct kind other wise your body will go into starvation mood. Start at 4 meals a day and then another week add a 5 th. If you have to reduce proportion of meals then do so. Small means as already previously mentioned are better then larger ones. Adding 1 TBSP of apple cider vinegar 15 minutes before meals will add in digestion and also help give you energy by giving your cells nutrients it may be lacking. Use freshly squeezed lemon on salads and in water to help flush the liver and provide cells fuel may aid in adding energy. First thing the natural preached was BALANCED DIET and lots of sunlight. With out sun light cells can not optimally function.
 
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the gluten-free pastas haven't gone too well with me..i have been eating those for the past couple of months. They actually make me feel sick.
 
what i don't understand is u telling me to keep fruits and vegetables to a mimimum. If you ask any doctor, they wil tell u the best road to recovery is by eating lots of fruits, vegetables, and grains; at least all the doctors I have ever encountered.
 
Sorry, HAN doesn't know what the fuck he is talking about here. He suggests the carbs that make you feel sick becaue they induce insulin release.

OTB barley bran is good, its a nice slow release carb, is much more nutrient dense that rice based products and is less irritating than other forms of fiber.

Fiber is one of the missing ingredients in your diet, OTB. It strongly regulates insulin release and helps beneficially condition the gut.

I never said vegetables and fruits were bad. Fruits have to be eaten in moderation because their fructose can cause insulin to rise quickly - small servings only. Vegetables can be eaten, but your gut has to be conditioned to handle them. That takes soluble fiber - from barley bran. Your choice if yogurt is good, but it must be the low fat unflavored/vanilla unsweetned, 16g carbs per serving type. All the others have a big carb hit - 35-55g of fast release sweetned carbs per serving in the regular flavored yogurts.

Yogurt is good gut conditioner. You should be using acidophilus pills a well, in moderation. A little at a time, to help your gut slowly come back to health again. Its so sensitive (as you know) that any big change can cause unpleasant problems.

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If Goalgetter thinks I am causing confusion here and you agree OTB, I will shut up and sit back and let your doctors handle it. Just like they have for the last two years.

I know Goalgetter is wanting you to be cautious...but she is no position to play critic here.
 
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Barely will also feed the good bacteria which he is in desperate need of as well correct? Can barely bran be tolerated by people with gluten sensitivity if it is taken along with the olive oil? Not sayin veggies to bare minimal but moderation. Moderation is the key..Fruits are ok but may be one serving a day an apple or pear, pineapple may even help with inflammation because of the bromolen (SP), but it is one of the typical allergens have to see how you respond. See TRouble this is what I have been along misinformed by so called "drs" and even these natural paths so if you tell me I am a fucken idiot its no offense because it will only result in learning something new..
 
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Trouble said:
Or better yet, let Goalgetter, the consumate technical critic, provide you with his keen insight on your problem.
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I think i stated various times that it was just my opinion and also said that the fact that you're trying to help is great. You are obviously more qualified to provide that kind of information than most of the people on this website. I was merely expressing concern as the kid keeps saying he is so damn confused.

You don't have to go and get all snippy and sarcastic with me for posting a thought on a public thread. This is the second time you do that on something I post. I can't remember the other time, but i was just as annoyed.

I have no keen insight into his medical problem, but i do think, in plain English, that you people are confusing the hell out of him. That's all i'm going to say because i don't feel like arguing, and as intelligent and degreed as you are, you have no people skills.

Good luck justin.

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Furthermore. Last time I checked, and still thusfar, I am a female.
 
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ok i will start using the barley bran.
 
From research she provided it will help IBS and heal the gut wall. That added with extra olive oil will help calm the inflammation you so need. So that combined with balanced diet will aid in healing you from the inside. Can homemade kefir from organic milk be a substiute for yoguart for variety?
 
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based on what stores carry, I am probably looking at products like Oat Bran, right? is it ok for me to use milk, because almost all bran products are cereals?
 
I would think taking anything different or altering your current diet or therapies would be a stupid fucking move, but that's just me.
 
Stress of starving our selfs and overtraining with unresolved emotional issues got us into this mess. Continue starvation is not going to get us healthy again.
 
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I would think taking anything different or altering your current diet or therapies would be a stupid fucking move, but that's just me.
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If his diet is contributing to his health problems, why would it be so fucking stupid to change it, Dale?

If its broke, don't fix it??? What kinda strategy is that?
 
ok..will incorporate oat bran into my diet..see if that clears up constipation
 
No sir, if you please NOT use oat bran cereal and use the barley bran I recommend, you will be in better shape.

You need small whey protein shakes in your diet, 2-3 day, and the barley bran should be put in that shake. The whey protein must be a low carb type.

For the time being, you must avoid cereal, especially with milk - far too large of a carb load for your system. If you will try the super acidophilis pills from Walmart at half regular dose (take one pill, twice per day), it should help your constipation, along with the barley bran fiber addition and small servings of yogurt, always taken with other protein, protein eaten first.

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HAN, for the time being, would you let me handle this thread to avoid confusion with advice? I made a mistake; best to keep our conversation real simple here.
 
Not a problem I agree my help can be causing more harm because I have been misinformed by "specialist" ..I will just sit back,observe and learn
 
that site u gave me doesn't work..someone bought it and took it over..now it's a search engine
 
Trouble said:
If his diet is contributing to his health problems, why would it be so fucking stupid to change it, Dale?

If its broke, don't fix it??? What kinda strategy is that?
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I was thinking that, rather than change stuff without the Dr. knowing it, have him consult his Dr.'s first. If I was a Doctor and had someone whom I could not diagnose, I would be pissed if he kept changing shit without telling me so I couldn't find out what the root cause was. I am a "Cure the problem, not the symptoms" kinda guy, who also happens to like Cobb salads.
 
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