Scared Shitless

[Hybah]

Thanks

This is funny.. i have been sumarizing my symptoms from start and now i'm only starting really to realize that I have lots and lots of symptoms like OTB.. even the yellowish skin appereance ( i didn't spot that.. everybody told me i just look more yellow )

 

[oaktownboy]

well i have finally come to the realization that it's all in my head. I am on Wellbutrine and am seeing a psychologist and pscyhiatrist. Looking back, I was depressed as far back as 12 when my parents divorced and I was sent to violent schools. Bodybuilding was my way of letting out the anger of not connecting to anyone my age. The dieting, especially the ephedra, dug up everything I had tried to bury my whole life. Hopefully, my serotonin levels will balance out and my digestion will improve. I started sleeping better last night as well once I realized all of this. But I know it will be a long, hard road to recovery.

i actually don't agree with this anymore...there is only so much the mental side can come into play...and when i got sick i wasn't depressed...My cousin who has Lupus along with IBS and fibromyalagia suggested I get an MRI of my brain, which I plan on doing. That's how she found out. i am doing yoga and am considering getting a biofeedback machine, but those things are expensive.

 

[Hybah]

Ah man.. when my condition finaly went over the edge i also wasn't feeling depressed or stressed. Actually it was just right after a great xmass holiday. Full of love,joy and good food. Suddenly I just collapsed. I had alot of symptoms before the total collapse but still there were no sign of too much stress or depression.

What probably pushed me off the cliff were the antibiotics. I had such an enormous brainfog and fatique on them. Alot of the same symptoms i started to feel after my collapse.

You see this is not like : " I'm stressed and depressed = my body fucks up "
Hell no .. it is caused by thousands of factors. It's not only mental. It has to do something with the whole body&mind.

But it is possible to adjust your mind to help the body. Look at me.. I did it .. it isn't impossible .. the whole brain maybe isn't working in the proper way but when you practice it is possible to reconfigure it. You'll teach the brain prevention so it won't go off the hook everytime something happens. If you teach your brain to stay calm then it will have time to repair itself. And then with a more functioning brain you can resolve your bodily problems.

Mind&Body is strongly connected. You can't have a healthy body without a healthy mind and you can't have a healthy mind without a healthy body. BUT in our situation we first have to put the mind into a better shape ... then comes the body.

I'm not a doctor.. this is all based on just simple intuition and the info i collected over 5 months. Do what you want to do OTB. I'm not going to persaude you anymore.

Hmm brain-scan is not a bad idea. Atleast you'll be sure that your brain has no anomalies. But it probably won't show nothing. Who knows...

 

[oaktownboy]

does anyone know how to replace neurotransmitters in your brain besides antidepressants?

 

[Hybah]

Somehow yawning probably affects neurotransmitters (read the article in the url down in the reply). No i'm making no fun OTB. Yawning DO helped me somehow. I got my brain under more control, my intestines finaly jumped started to work more properly (better digestion + my stool stoped being yellow), my spasms stoped, no more hiatal hernia feelings, i even lost ACNE and alot of other things got muuuch better. Crazy?? Well it worked so well and so FAST that there must be something about it. Really in just 36 hours i suddenly felt the best in 4 months.
So force yourself to do 10 yawns in row atleast 5x a day. I can even relax much much much more deeply after a yawning session. So before you do your relaxation ( Just lay on the bed, close your eyes, do not think about depressive things or things that could trigger symptoms and try to relax every muscle in your body to the max the whole 20 mins ).

There is a guy who came up with a theory and thanks to this theory i basicaly can explain all the positive effect it had on me... but there are still alot of questions to be answered and this is not my piece of cake.. URL http://www.baillement.com/recherche/brian_nolman.html ..

Well try yawning for a few days (also with some relaxation after 2 from 5 sessions of yawning) ... it might help .. it might not.. just try it and tell me the results ... don't focus on the outcomes too early.. just do it and don't think about it.. then after some time try to pinpoint any positive effects..

I don't know.. what about you Trouble? I send you the PM about it.. i know it probably sounds total whack but hey.. it helped..... yes i can be a hypochondriac making the positives effects up.. but hell no i ain't such a wacko

 

[TrojanMan60563]

How the hell do you make yourself yawn ten times in a row? Stare in the mirror and watch yourself yawn...so you give yourself another one?

 

[Hybah]

I just open my mouth and imagine the feeling of a yawn. What's so hard about that??? After some practice it'll be a child's play.

Do you know how to suck quite large quantities of air through your anus? No?? Well it's easy too ...

Body is a wonderfull thing.. you can do alot of things with it

What's easy for one can be hard for the other. But it's always possible

 

[oaktownboy]

metabolic acidosis...besides diet, does anyone know how to overcome it?

 

[min0 lee]

I just open my mouth and imagine the feeling of a yawn. What's so hard about that??? After some practice it'll be a child's play.

Do you know how to suck quite large quantities of air through your anus? No?? Well it's easy too ...

Body is a wonderfull thing.. you can do alot of things with it

What's easy for one can be hard for the other. But it's always possible

You have to be kidding?

 

[Hybah]

You have to be kidding?

No kidding sorry. It's a trick that also has its name in Yoga (sthala basti - yogic air enema). I somehow learned this trick while i was a little kid. Embarassing yes.... but it has some interesting effect like superspeeded motility

 

[TrojanMan60563]

There was a guy in boot camp that shared his ability to suck air up his asshole and fart songs....you could hear the air being sucked up there. I thought it was odd, but it was funny. I don't know the secret to it, but I can't figure out the trick either way....with all the food I eat I don't need help making myself fart any how....

 

[Hybah]

Ok enuff

So OTB.. you should be very thankfull to Trouble because her experience and knowledge is priceless. You just don't run into people who know their thing really well everyday. Appreciate it because you are one very lucky mdfk

A bad thing happened to me yesterday. Probably the worst situation of my life appeared and i got soooo fucking stressed that again fatique symptoms appeared, burning in the bowel, some bracing and a bit of my stool was yellow in the morning. I guess i just ereased alot of progress. I'm ordering all the sups that Trouble suggested because till now i haven't used any. I wonder how fast i can get into the "almost healthy" state again.

Stress response modification, Relaxation,Yawning,Whole Food diet,Supps is the way

This is the most effective program you'll ever find on the net these days. Probably no one else suggests the correct mix of supps and also the interesting effect of yawning.

Btw trouble.. don't you wanna write a book about it??? and i hope i'm not bugging you but i'm still waiting for your input on yawning. I guess I understand it now completly and simply the theory works 100%. It accelerates the whole therapy ALOT

 

[Trouble]

I think the yawning that you mention is due to low oxygen supply, Hybah. I'll find and repost an article I wrote in another forum on breathing practice and why its linked so tightly to the negative effects of excessive stress response.

I'm sorry to hear that you had what sounds like a setback in your long road to improved health. I've had similar setbacks in recent years. I can tell you from experience that the more of these spike events (acute episodes) that you have, the more difficult and prolonged the recovery.

I think of it as slipping a notch in stress recovery. You get worse at it, the more of it you must deal with over time.

Because I sit on several forums as a senior member, I have a chance to note and comment on patterns that I see. One pattern learned while most of us are quite young is that the adrenaline surge and hyperactivity in the brain associated with improved cognitive function (awareness) is addictive.

We become addicted to the rush of adrenaline and noradrenaline from reaction to stress; this pleasant, hyperaware feeling is a positive reinforcer. It conditions us to accept stress and even welcome it. Thats the basis for what we call the Type A personality, the type most prone to negative stress effects (chronic disease) later in life.

On of the early signs is breath holding, called reflexive hypoxia. It becomes chronic in mid-adult years, and when combined with low glucocorticoid response at night (due to weight gain and overgrowth / obstruction of soft palate, a condition called sleep apnea) when sleep patterns become irratic due to impaired melatonin release coupled with poor cortisol production - it means that the brain is constantly deprived of adequate oxygen supply. That triggers a yawning reflex that temporarily corrects the lack of oxgyen in the blood supply to the brain.

 

[oaktownboy]

well wellbutrine has made me very sleepy..so in sense it's good cuz i can sleep at night...however, i think it's increasing my suicidal thoughts and makes me more tired during the day...losing muscle at a rapid rate...still have no idea what the fuck is going on but believe antidepressants are not the answer to my physical problems..

 

[Hybah]

I don't buy much the oxygen effect. Right after my problems started i read alot of anti anxiety books and they almost all suggested to learn the proper deep abdomen breathing. So i learned it and use it up till now but never really saw any benefits. Deep breaths actually made me feel even more tensed ....yawning is the shiat.. i just used against the fatique which came back and voila i just needed about 6 in a row and i was feeling all right again. My body convinces me to beleive in the possible yawning effects. And also my intuition bells are ringing like crazy.

Yeah the setback is a bit frustrating but hell nothing was ever easy. But atleast i'm feeling allright (maybe a bit of those CFS symptoms) but since i feel allright mentally then this is not a problem.

+Edit : Just few minutes ago i tried a little experiment. I again had a slight fatique. Tried breathing deeply.. didn't work. Joged to the shop and tried to wake me up somehow... didn't work. Yawned 3 times and in 3 minutes i'm fine again. Yawning and oxygen has probably very little to do. Why people yawn when there's a little oxygen is probably caused by a secondary effect of low oxygen. This secondary effect happens probably also when there's enough oxygen. Also some studies point to fact that it has nothing to do with oxygen. I guess the Nolman guy who came up with his theory is probably closest to the truth.. but i still think there are some pieces of this puzzle which are missing.

 

[Trouble]

If you ask a question, do not dismiss the answer given out of hand. Not a good policy for encouraging meaningful discussion.

Fact: yawning temporarily increases oxygen supply.

Stress individuals are hypoxic. They have inflammation damaged vasodilation and impaired peripheral and brain arterial supply.

They also lack production of adquate antioxidants, and those haven been shown to play a critical role in high level gene regulation. This results in changes in the controls of a vast number of genes, all located on the same chromosome and under this one highly important top control system.

One of those gene that is dysregulated controls breathing, and its been linked irrefutablly, a few months ago, to this condition. Call it the apnea gene (it has a technical name, a number which is meaningless here). At night, breathing dysregulation condition is called sleep apnea. Thus, this autonomic control (automatic reflex) is altered in the stress state. During the day, its an unconscious holding of breath. And its a chronic condition, this hypoxia.

So when you relieve it, even temporarily, you improve your energy production, and that can makes you feel better.

Yawning may have other actions, in lympth drainage, but this oxygen boost is the primary effect.

 

[Hybah]

Ok understood

 

[oaktownboy]

taking 3-4 gram of L-Carnatine a day between meals..found a good article saying how it improves CFS symptoms...energy and muscle/joint paint vary day-to-day...

 

[oaktownboy]

and of course the breathing problems continue

 

[Hybah]

Hmm everything is getting back to normal. No more burning, no fatiques, good mood, stool ok. Nice that's the way I like it

Dang i really need to do those supps I'll bet they'll work godly after some time.

 

[oaktownboy]

worked out today..first time in months..really thinking about all of this, it wasn't the stress that did me in. When I was on the ephedra, I started getting really tired and developed breathing problems;the same kind I have know. At college, I was fine when I was bulking..plenty of energy, great sex drive..What I would really like is a doctor who has dealt with ephedra.

 

[P-funk]

how did the workout feel??

 

[oaktownboy]

had a really hard time breathing..and mentally..nothing but brain fog

 

[P-funk]

had a really hard time breathing..and mentally..nothing but brain fog

well, it is great that you got out there and did something!! It is a set in the right direction.

 

[oaktownboy]

ok i need medical advice..i want an MRI or cat scan of my brain...which one is better? i need to know the difference between the two

 

[Hybah]

I don't think bodybuilding is a good idea. And again it's useless to know what caused you all this because there's only one way to get it better.

 

[oaktownboy]

through relaxing?

 

[P-funk]

I don't think bodybuilding is a good idea. And again it's useless to know what caused you all this because there's only one way to get it better.

I think him getting up, getting moveming a little (as much as he can handle at this point) is a great thing. it gives him some peace of mind and allows him to feel like he is taking control of his situation and doign something for himself. I think whatever exercise he can get in is great. Even if it is getting up and walking to the end of the street everday or twice a day and just trying to build on that.

 

[oaktownboy]

i gotta tell u....at this point i really am scared..i don't know how much more doctors csn do..my energy level is still shit...i do yoga, deep breathing exercises..but they can't stop me from realizing anf constantly thinking about my current physical and mental state

 

[P-funk]

i gotta tell u....at this point i really am scared..i don't know how much more doctors csn do..my energy level is still shit...i do yoga, deep breathing exercises..but they can't stop me from realizing anf constantly thinking about my current physical and mental state

you have to stop thinking about it! that is the thing! you are stressing yourself out and making it worse. The more you think about it the more you sink down. You need to get up, take control of the situation and move and do things for yourself and believe that you can get better and that you will feel better!! that is the thing. Don't think about the doctors or the tests or any of that. Get up everyday and say "today, I am going to do something for myself...to make myself better." and then do it....even if that is a walk outside like I said. Energy levels go to shit when you do nothing......continuing to do nothing makes them worse. Get up, go out, get some sun, feel better......believe that you can do it and that you can get better.

Emerson said:

"It matters not what is behind us or what is before us but what is IN US."


You have to get rid of the negative feelings and all the worrying and stressing yourself out and just say "fuck it....I am going to make it work".


that is my opinion.