yeh i know girl..i appreciate it..trust me when u've been sick as long as i have all u have time for is sitting around thinking of all the possibilities..Jenny said:Alright, just trying to help
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Have you tried Phenibut for your anxiety yet? You don't want to take it all the time or you will become immune to it, but it works wonders when things get out of control. Also, PS (as HAN suggested) and L-theanine will help with anxiety.
the theanine didnt do much...nothing is doing much..i'm waiting on my homeopath to send me these new tests she wants me to take..i have no idea what they will include.i dont even have enuff energy to get up today..can't even drive..and my hunger keeps goin away, which i am afraid is not a good sign..been on synthroid for 2.5 weeks now and i actually feel worse...SJA said:
possible candida may have been slight part of the problem, but your hair analysis revealed several heavy metals which interfer with thyroid function and as I pointed out before they can be a possbile underlying cause of hashimotos disease. I think you are on the right track with the main problem the hashimotos which has clinical backing it up. i am sure you are lacking vital minerals and vitamins as well that are not helping the situation. Hashimotis you can have hypo symptoms on time and hyper another thats what makes it so challenging. Untill you get the PROPER testing done on the thyroid you will not know nothing more. I have an idea your rt3 are probably elevated causing mis leading results with your total t-3 readings which are absolutely worthless. The drs needs to look at the free t-4 free t-3 , rt3, anti-TPO, other antibody test. Tsh at this point is fucking worthless and a good dr will not even look at that and focus on lower the antibodies, lower the rt3, and bringing the ft4 and ft3 into the upper 3/4 procentile so you can function ago. If you had UC you would be shitting all the time and having the runs, blood coming out and alot of other unpleasant things. Focus on the hashimotos and POSSIBLE may be adrenals, but with out the rt3 and Ft3 reading one can not notice this will out looking into these figures. i know what you are going through I been there all you have to do is just stay postiive and not stress.
well new dr. refused to run those tests u mentioned...back to square 1...god must really have it in for me..too bad he won't just let me die
What was his logic for not running the tests you required him to run?
he just said he didn't think that was the problem ..and that was that..he said he needed to feel like he approved itBoneCrusher said:
i tell him that i lose another doctor..i can't afford to do it againCold Iron said:
When you take your car in to get a tire fixed it is cut and dried. You know what you want, tell 'em, they do it 'n you're done.
YOUR body is the same. You bring the money to his pockets. You're the boss. He works for you. Does't matter if the HMO of whatever picks up the tab ... IT IS YOUR TAB THEY PICK UP BRO.
Doctors like to act as though they are your boss ... fix his attitude. Just because you're young don't be shy. Demand he treat you as you have been advised he treat you.
We can always sick FLEX on him if he don't get some act right ... I'll buy
YOUR body is the same. You bring the money to his pockets. You're the boss. He works for you. Does't matter if the HMO of whatever picks up the tab ... IT IS YOUR TAB THEY PICK UP BRO.
Doctors like to act as though they are your boss ... fix his attitude. Just because you're young don't be shy. Demand he treat you as you have been advised he treat you.
We can always sick FLEX on him if he don't get some act right ... I'll buy
What was his diagnosis? What was his prescribed treatment(s) and solutions to your pain?
he know thinks i have a bi-polar disorder..i think i've had enough with him
After I injured my back I had to go to a lot of doctors and everyone told me it was a strain until I demanded an MRI.
You should speak up and question anything the doctor does that doesn't seem right to you. It's your time and money.
You should speak up and question anything the doctor does that doesn't seem right to you. It's your time and money.
OTB the world is full of sad shit 'bout people who did not push their needs on their docs. If you HAVE to stay with him crack the whip on his ass.
im gonna try to switch to a new doctor..it seems everyday is a living hell for me...one word to describe my childhood and teen years:short
well i'm gonna trasnfer to a new doctor...endo appointment next wednesday..see if he will run these blood tests..
Stick to the one dr and you will be fine. he specializes in hashimotos I will prepare a script for you. Let him make his own conclusion based upon following criteria
1. Salvia cortisol readings are abnormal
2. Heavy metals found in your hair all of which affect the thyroid and possible causes for hashimotos
3. your Thyroid profile verfies hashimotos based on elevated antibodies readings and also your Ft3 and RT3 are un known and serum t-3 is a piss poor indicator of actitive t-3 reading plus it is low for you as well needs to be upper 2/3 percentile. With Hashimoto there is also a conversion problem with t4-t3 and synthroid will not do shit, plus i am sure you are deficenct in several vitamins and minerals, make sure that they test for them
Drs will try to blame the cause on something that has nothing to do with the main problem. Depression and anxiety, slow digestion, bloating is a symptom of the cause of Hashimotos. Drs need to start looking for root problem instead of focusing on one symptoms. Shit you have better luck putting your symptoms on a dart board and throwing darts to see where it lands thats basicaly what they are doing. IT YOUR LIFE AND YOUR BODY NOT THERES
1. Salvia cortisol readings are abnormal
2. Heavy metals found in your hair all of which affect the thyroid and possible causes for hashimotos
3. your Thyroid profile verfies hashimotos based on elevated antibodies readings and also your Ft3 and RT3 are un known and serum t-3 is a piss poor indicator of actitive t-3 reading plus it is low for you as well needs to be upper 2/3 percentile. With Hashimoto there is also a conversion problem with t4-t3 and synthroid will not do shit, plus i am sure you are deficenct in several vitamins and minerals, make sure that they test for them
Drs will try to blame the cause on something that has nothing to do with the main problem. Depression and anxiety, slow digestion, bloating is a symptom of the cause of Hashimotos. Drs need to start looking for root problem instead of focusing on one symptoms. Shit you have better luck putting your symptoms on a dart board and throwing darts to see where it lands thats basicaly what they are doing. IT YOUR LIFE AND YOUR BODY NOT THERES
oaktownboy.. I hope this helps : https://www.healthcheckusa.com/locations.asp
Justin, I found some vital information that reflects what is going on with you and it also happened to me.
Low ferritin causes mild to overt anemia, which in turn slows down the production of thyroid hormones and their utilization at the cellular level.
Most athletes are iron deficienctly when they are over training, NOT EATING RED MEAT (which I did as well NEVER DO IT AGAIN), and taking a multivitamin that is low in iron (I switched to a shitty one 6 weeks from contest), plus I stopped liver tabs as well so basically I had no sources of iron as well my immune system did not have any support either. Couple this with caffine blocking iron absorption which little we had all ready you are looking at mild anemia which affects your thyroid production as well as mental out put. I just got my ferritin test back and it was 30 (OMG) no wonder I can not convert t4-t3 so dr told me to increase my iron intake. Also with out iron in your body its not going to know one metal from another so this may be where your heavy metals where coming from. In lamens word we fucked our selves by not maintaining adequte mineral levels. I am sure you are deficienct in several and when you goto the drs you need to ask him and see if he can mineral test you there with taste test
Sarah I saw that as well !! and was going to suggest it to him as last resort but he is going to one of the top thyroid drs in the USA so he is in good hands
Low ferritin causes mild to overt anemia, which in turn slows down the production of thyroid hormones and their utilization at the cellular level.
Most athletes are iron deficienctly when they are over training, NOT EATING RED MEAT (which I did as well NEVER DO IT AGAIN), and taking a multivitamin that is low in iron (I switched to a shitty one 6 weeks from contest), plus I stopped liver tabs as well so basically I had no sources of iron as well my immune system did not have any support either. Couple this with caffine blocking iron absorption which little we had all ready you are looking at mild anemia which affects your thyroid production as well as mental out put. I just got my ferritin test back and it was 30 (OMG) no wonder I can not convert t4-t3 so dr told me to increase my iron intake. Also with out iron in your body its not going to know one metal from another so this may be where your heavy metals where coming from. In lamens word we fucked our selves by not maintaining adequte mineral levels. I am sure you are deficienct in several and when you goto the drs you need to ask him and see if he can mineral test you there with taste test
Sarah I saw that as well !! and was going to suggest it to him as last resort but he is going to one of the top thyroid drs in the USA so he is in good hands
good looks HAN..ill be sure to ask for a mineral test as well
I do know that my doctor, after finding out that my
ferritin was at the low end of normal ( I have Hashimotos), recommended
that I take iron supplements. She stated that higher ferritin levels make
one more able to convert T4 to T3.
ASK TO HAVE THE CK FERRITIN LEVELS BECUASE WE DID NOT EAT RED MEAT !!
Update 10 days on armour thyroid with adrenal support
joint pains disappeared that has been plaquing me for 8 months
temperature is 98.2 morning to night. feels good not to be cold
not sleeping in mid afternoon
stomach seems to be moving more then it was before
sleeping like a baby and I am tired by 10 pm every night
pain in feet are gone - athletes foot is indication of weak adrenals
If my theory is right once I raise my ferritin level my thyroid should self regulate it self and I can get off thyroid medicines and be normal again
ferritin was at the low end of normal ( I have Hashimotos), recommended
that I take iron supplements. She stated that higher ferritin levels make
one more able to convert T4 to T3.
ASK TO HAVE THE CK FERRITIN LEVELS BECUASE WE DID NOT EAT RED MEAT !!
Update 10 days on armour thyroid with adrenal support
joint pains disappeared that has been plaquing me for 8 months
temperature is 98.2 morning to night. feels good not to be cold
not sleeping in mid afternoon
stomach seems to be moving more then it was before
sleeping like a baby and I am tired by 10 pm every night
pain in feet are gone - athletes foot is indication of weak adrenals
If my theory is right once I raise my ferritin level my thyroid should self regulate it self and I can get off thyroid medicines and be normal again
Effect of iron supplementation on thyroid hormone levels and resting metabolic rate in two college female athletes: a case study.
Harris Rosenzweig P, Volpe SL.
Department of Nutrition, University of Massachusetts, Amherst, MA 01003-1420, USA.
Iron plays an important role in thyroid hormone metabolism; thus, iron deficiency anemia may lead to alterations in resting metabolic rate (RMR). Based on this premise, two iron-deficient-anemic female athletes, 18 (A1) and 21 (A2) years of age, were supplemented with 23 mg/day of elemental iron to assess its effects on iron and thyroid hormone status and RMR at 0, 8, and 16 weeks. Anemia was clinically corrected in both subjects (hemoglobin: A1 = 11.0 to 13.0 to 12.6 g/dL and A2 = 11.5 to 13.9 to 12.6 g/dL, 0 to 8 to 16 weeks, respectively). Serum ferritin (SF) concentration also improved in both subjects (A1: 5.0 to 11.0 to 15.0 ng/dL and A2: 5.0 to 16.0 to 20.0 ng/dL; 0 to 8 to 16 weeks, respectively); however, 16 weeks of iron supplementation did not fully replete iron stores. A2 increased dietary iron and ascorbic acid intakes from 8 to 16 weeks, possibly accounting for her higher SF concentrations. RMR and total thyroxine changed over time: A1 increased while A2 decreased in these variables. Although clinical correction of iron deficiency anemia occurred after 16 weeks of low-level iron supplementation, RMR and thyroid hormone metabolism were oppositely affected in the two subjects.
Harris Rosenzweig P, Volpe SL.
Department of Nutrition, University of Massachusetts, Amherst, MA 01003-1420, USA.
Iron plays an important role in thyroid hormone metabolism; thus, iron deficiency anemia may lead to alterations in resting metabolic rate (RMR). Based on this premise, two iron-deficient-anemic female athletes, 18 (A1) and 21 (A2) years of age, were supplemented with 23 mg/day of elemental iron to assess its effects on iron and thyroid hormone status and RMR at 0, 8, and 16 weeks. Anemia was clinically corrected in both subjects (hemoglobin: A1 = 11.0 to 13.0 to 12.6 g/dL and A2 = 11.5 to 13.9 to 12.6 g/dL, 0 to 8 to 16 weeks, respectively). Serum ferritin (SF) concentration also improved in both subjects (A1: 5.0 to 11.0 to 15.0 ng/dL and A2: 5.0 to 16.0 to 20.0 ng/dL; 0 to 8 to 16 weeks, respectively); however, 16 weeks of iron supplementation did not fully replete iron stores. A2 increased dietary iron and ascorbic acid intakes from 8 to 16 weeks, possibly accounting for her higher SF concentrations. RMR and total thyroxine changed over time: A1 increased while A2 decreased in these variables. Although clinical correction of iron deficiency anemia occurred after 16 weeks of low-level iron supplementation, RMR and thyroid hormone metabolism were oppositely affected in the two subjects.
went to new doctor recommended by HAN..said other doctors were full of shit and said they should have seen it comin for years from my blood tests results..he's gonna run sum more blood tests on me before prescribing armour..also says im hypoglycemic so i had to pick up a glycometer to measure blood-glucose levels...
Good luck OTB ... glad to see something good in the works. Hope this Doc has more on the ball than the others did.
3rd day on armour..i feel like absolute shit...i'm hoping this is just my body responding to the new medication.i'll give up an update in 2-3 weeks.
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Wow,
I just read this whole post and I am in shock! I know you don't know me but I just wanted to say that I am so sorry about all your health issues. I do have a few questions (I'm sure you are sick of them, sorry) Were you sick as a child a lot?? Did anyone diagnose you with Panic Attacks? I definitely see that you are getting them, hyperventilating and a few other "stress" related things that you have mentioned. Do you have a fast heart beat?? Are you losing weight? Do you ever have a good "week"? As opposed to just good "days." Sorry for all the questions but I know that stress can wreck your body as well as 8,000,000 other things right??!! Have you ever been to a hospital for any of this? Okay, enough questions for now!
hope today is a good day
I just read this whole post and I am in shock! I know you don't know me but I just wanted to say that I am so sorry about all your health issues. I do have a few questions (I'm sure you are sick of them, sorry) Were you sick as a child a lot?? Did anyone diagnose you with Panic Attacks? I definitely see that you are getting them, hyperventilating and a few other "stress" related things that you have mentioned. Do you have a fast heart beat?? Are you losing weight? Do you ever have a good "week"? As opposed to just good "days." Sorry for all the questions but I know that stress can wreck your body as well as 8,000,000 other things right??!! Have you ever been to a hospital for any of this? Okay, enough questions for now!
hope today is a good day
Justin,
I told to my dr and said that you should have minerals tested. They did a serum zinc test on me and found out that I was low normal 741 (700-1200) and he wants me at 1100 or more. Zinc is a catylst for oer 300 reaction also those included in the brain. He looked at my fingernails and first words out of his mouth where ZINC. The real thing that triggered it off was the fact is that I did not eat red meat and also that eating alot of oatmeal blocks absorption of minerals from food namly zinc and iron. My ferritin levels where check and they where perfect but my serum levels zzinc came back low and these where taken on empty stomach first think in the morning when there where the highest. Right now I suggest a multi with 30 mgs zinc to 2 mgs of copper and ZMA before bed. But next chance you get goto the health food store that has metagenics products and get zinc talley test an this will give you a good indication of your zinc status
I told to my dr and said that you should have minerals tested. They did a serum zinc test on me and found out that I was low normal 741 (700-1200) and he wants me at 1100 or more. Zinc is a catylst for oer 300 reaction also those included in the brain. He looked at my fingernails and first words out of his mouth where ZINC. The real thing that triggered it off was the fact is that I did not eat red meat and also that eating alot of oatmeal blocks absorption of minerals from food namly zinc and iron. My ferritin levels where check and they where perfect but my serum levels zzinc came back low and these where taken on empty stomach first think in the morning when there where the highest. Right now I suggest a multi with 30 mgs zinc to 2 mgs of copper and ZMA before bed. But next chance you get goto the health food store that has metagenics products and get zinc talley test an this will give you a good indication of your zinc status
woow man ur still dealing with this the last time i check was like couple of months ago i think... man just dont give up... ur ma hero not a lot of people can deal with shit like that and keep it cool like u do... i hope u get cured soon and dont stop searching man good luck
Justin just hang in there and let the dr do his job. Its just a matter of adjusting the thyroid to get things right and things will be fine untill then its going to be a roller coaster ride. You may have alot of symtpoms that over lap with other conditions but your main one is your thyroid and correcting nutritional imbalances. Let the dr do his job and they will find them.
