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Scientists to unveil proof of God particle

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This is as big as the, well, big bang theory: Scientists working at the world's largest atom smasher say they have enough evidence of the long-sought-after Higgs boson.
To the layman, the Higgs boson is the "God particle" and a key puzzle piece in the scientific explanation of the origin of the universe. Physicists around the globe?and perhaps elsewhere, given the size of the universe?have invested billions of dollars in research and have been hunting for the Higgs boson for decades.
Researchers at the European Organization for Nuclear Research (or CERN) are expected to announce Wednesday that they have proof of its existence, reports The Associated Press.
The Higgs boson appeared 13.7 billion years ago in the chaos of the Big Bang and turned the flying debris into galaxies, stars and planets.
Its formal discovery, according to a broad scientific consensus, would be the greatest advance in knowledge of the universe in decades and a key to confirming the standard model of physics that explains what gives mass to matter and, by extension, how the universe was formed, according to the AP.
Rutgers University physicist Matt Strassler told Reuters that without the particle, "nothing like human beings, or the earth we live on, could exist."
Physicist Joseph Lykken of the Fermi National Accelerator Laboratory near Chicago explained in an interview with National Public Radio the difficulty for physicists in tracking down Higgs boson.
"We think the Higgs boson is a manifestation of the fact that the universe is filled with a force that we haven't been able to detect yet that gives other particles mass," Lykken told NPR. "It exists for a billionth of a billionth of a billionth of a second, or something like that, and then falls apart into other particles."
Thus, scientists are in a bit of a quagmire, according to the AP. While they appear to have enough evidence to report the existence of the "God particle," they still hedge on whether to report "a discovery." It's a fine line, indeed, but one that scientists will likely continue to debate.
"I agree that any reasonable outside observer would say, 'It looks like a discovery,'" British theoretical physicist John Ellis, a professor at King's College London who has worked at CERN since the 1970s, told The Associated Press. "We've discovered something which is consistent with being a Higgs."
Oh, those wacky scientists.



 
"It exists for a billionth of a billionth of a billionth of a second, or something like that, and then falls apart into other particles."
Thus, scientists are in a bit of a quagmire, according to the AP. While they appear to have enough evidence to report the existence of the "God particle," they still hedge on whether to report "a discovery." It's a fine line, indeed, but one that scientists will likely continue to debate.
 
Physicists recidivists smishacicts so much for an actual god. And if she/he is real, she/he just became reduced to a particle.
 
The human mind simply cannot conceive the concept of the beginning of the universe and before. The most brilliant minds in the world try to logically justify our existance with work and scientific fact while others feel the need for a supreme being to do the same. In the scale of things our knowledge is truly small and our capacity to understand is limited by our lack of ability to reason on multi dimensional planes. Higgs boson is reffered to as the God particle in layman terms at the chagrin of the scientific community and is a misrepresentation of it. This is one of the most important pieces of research of our lifetime, it is truly fascinating.
 
The human mind simply cannot conceive

I hate when people says this, the human mind can reconstruct infinite universes and populate them with all spectrums of various life forms. We can conceive particles that would boggle the mind of this universe...
 
Scientists to unveil proof of God particle

Note the word in bold, Jag.

Nice try. :owned:
 
Note the word in bold, Jag.

Nice try. :owned:
I am not sure you understand the article. The article is not "proving" anything.

The name of the Higgs bosen / "god" particle is not proof of God. Might want to re read the article.

Just because I post an article with the word god in it does not necessarily mean I have anything to prove.


"We think the Higgs boson is a manifestation of the fact that the universe is filled with a force that we haven't been able to detect yet that gives other particles mass,"
Its formal discovery, according to a broad scientific consensus, would be the greatest advance in knowledge of the universe in decades and a key to confirming the standard model of physics that explains what gives mass to matter and, by extension, how the universe was formed.




Note the words in Bold also

What This Higgs Boson Thing Really Means

By Robert Wright | The Atlantic ? 11 hours ago








As you may have heard, there is now strong evidence that a particle called the Higgs boson, whose existence has long been predicted on theoretical grounds, actually exists. Let me explain to you what the Higgs Boson is.
Just kidding! Nobody can explain to you what the Higgs boson is, because if they try they'll say things like: The Higgs boson is the particle that imparts mass to the other particles. And if you're thinking clearly you'll say: Wait, what does that mean? You mean if the Higgs boson disappeared, then the other particles would exist but wouldn't have mass? So how could they be particles at all--I mean, how could they be particles in the sense that I think of "particles"?

The answer to that question, I think, is that particles aren't really particles in the sense that you and I think of particles. At least, that would explain why physicists sometimes use "particle" interchangeably with "field." (And as for what a "field" is: It's like a particle, except different.)

Here , for example, from a BBC article that a few months ago tried to tackle this Higgs Boson thing:
As the Universe cooled after the Big Bang, an invisible force known as the Higgs field formed together with its associated boson particle.
It is this field (and not the boson) that imparts mass to the fundamental particles that make up atoms.
I don't exactly know what it means for a field to be "associated" with a particle, but I do think that the word "field," for the layperson, is better for Higgs-related pedagogical purposes than the word "particle," because it plugs more easily into the common metaphor that the Higgs is like a "molasses" that, by resisting the movement of all those non-Higgs particles, gives them mass. After all, a "field," in the layperson's vague sense of that term, is some sort of continuous expanse, and so is molasses. Kind of.
Actually, though, that same BBC article, even while promoting the Higgs field at the expense of the Higgs particle, trotted out a metaphor that tried to convey how a bunch of particles could be like molasses:
The way the Higgs field works has been likened to the way photographers and reporters congregate around a celebrity. The cluster of people are strongly attracted to the celebrity and create resistance to his or her movement across a room. In other words, they give the celebrity "mass".​
In sum: I personally continue to have no idea what the Higgs boson is. And I think the physicists who 'understand' what it is can do so only because they don't have the layperson's compulsion to think about the world in ways that are ultimately metaphorical. Or, at least, these physicists have dropped the idea that to truly understand something is to have a crystal-clear metaphor in your mind, a metaphor that doesn't break down at any point and doesn't contain internal contradictions. For them, apprehending a purely mathematical description of something is tantamount to comprehending it.
For the rest of us, I suspect, the Higgs belongs in the same category as various other parts of modern physics: It is yet more evidence that the human mind, to the extent that it was designed by natural selection to truly comprehend anything at all, was designed to comprehend the macroscopic world, not the microscopic world.
So, as for the question of what this Higgs Boson thing ultimately "means": It means we should all try to have some intellectual humility, especially when opining on grand philosophical matters, because the thing we're using to try to understand the world--the human brain--is, in the grand scheme of things, a pretty crude instrument. Or, I should say: That's what I think the Higgs Boson means.


Video about higgs boson at the link below

What is the Higgs boson? | Science | guardian.co.uk

Listen to the last sentance the narrator says at the end of the video.
 
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I am not sure you understand the article. The article is not "proving" anything.

The name of the Higgs bosen / "god" particle is not proof of God. Might want to re read the article.

Just because I post an article with the word god in it does not necessarily mean I have anything to prove.

I read the article.

It's your OP title.

(to) prove is a verb.

proof is a noun.

And the term, "unveil?"
 
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there is no god...only the aliens who put us here to breed, harvest, and work the land for their gain and will be returning soon
 
I hate when people says this, the human mind can reconstruct infinite universes and populate them with all spectrums of various life forms. We can conceive particles that would boggle the mind of this universe...
I think you misunderstood the point I was making that you quoted the quip from. I agree with what you said pertaining to what we can reconstruct or conceive in regards to our universe. My point is that the human mind cannot grasp the existance of nothing before the creation of the universe and therefore they rely on the concept of a deity to fill the void. It is beyond our level of comprehension. What existed before the big bang? Before that? And before that? This is an infinately unanswerable question.
 
Im still alive and thats proof enough there is a God for me

Maybe. Pantheism is based upon the concept that god is in everything, the universe, nature and all that is anthropomorphic. So the energy that I am derived from will be passed on or "recycled" into free matter when my body expires, which may be where I come from. This is not a far stretch from the Higgs boson principle that the energy present in the "god particle" that lasts only one billionth of a billionth of a billionth of a second before it's decay, could represent a human life in a universal timeline.
 
I think you misunderstood the point I was making that you quoted the quip from. I agree with what you said pertaining to what we can reconstruct or conceive in regards to our universe. My point is that the human mind cannot grasp the existance of nothing before the creation of the universe and therefore they rely on the concept of a deity to fill the void. It is beyond our level of comprehension. What existed before the big bang? Before that? And before that? This is an infinately unanswerable question.

I think we can perceive the great nothingness that was, it's what we feel when we are alone in the dark, its what makes recluses crazy. It's what drives us to be around others. It's that panic we get with cabin fever when our minds are crowded and claustrophobic and we think the outside world had disappeared. It's been imagined in The Never Ending Story...
 
 
From my understand the Higgs-boson is only called 'the God particle' by the media for sensational purposes and has nothing to do with God whatsoever.
 
"god" is a figment of your imagination only...it's all it ever was and ever will be...some people's imagination is stronger than others though
 
god had a protien fart, we call it the big bang, you can smell it but you cant see the shit molecules.
 
From my understand the Higgs-boson is only called 'the God particle' by the media for sensational purposes and has nothing to do with God whatsoever.

Ya, I think people got that. But whenever God is mentioned, I always chime in. I really dont know what the discovery means though for science or us. I only have a GED :)
 
I don't need scientists, clergy, religious zealots, self righteous individuals, etc to prove to me the existence of God. The evidence is everywhere.
 
From my understand the Higgs-boson is only called 'the God particle' by the media for sensational purposes and has nothing to do with God whatsoever.

THIS. The saying "God particle" is ridiculed in the scientific community. The discovery enhances our knowledge of physics and the nature of the universe; it does not prove or disprove the concept of "God" in any way. The "god" part is because of how important it is to the standard model of physics.

Anybody who thinks it has something to do with the Abrahamic (or religious) concept of God is clearly retarded.
 
A Higgs boson walks into a church,
"We don't allow Higgs bosons in here!" shouts the priest.
the particle asks "But without me, how can you have mass?" :coffee:
 
THIS. The saying "God particle" is ridiculed in the scientific community. The discovery enhances our knowledge of physics and the nature of the universe; it does not prove or disprove the concept of "God" in any way. The "god" part is because of how important it is to the standard model of physics.

Anybody who thinks it has something to do with the Abrahamic (or religious) concept of God is clearly retarded.

no offense, but, more than likely they are just ignorant of the saying "god particle" .

retarded would be closer to this: "retarded"- when a person makes the claim that someone who doesn't know what they know is retarded, imo. :thumbup:
 
A Higgs boson walks into a church,
"We don't allow Higgs bosons in here!" shouts the priest.
the particle asks "But without me, how can you have mass?" :coffee:

:roflmao:
 
i think whoever decided to call it the god particle is an idiot. :coffee:
 
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