Short blast cycles

[ted8541]

STACKS AND DOSE EXAMPLES

I like tren and I like d-bol and especially for a shorty. YES NEWBIE you can use these strong androgens and NO tren is not hard on the kidneys(myth).

Some guys think I am nuts for recommending tren for a first cycle and they say it is too harsh.... but most of the same bro's will recommend a long cycle of test/d-bol for a newbie and I can assure you that a long cycle of test/d-bol is going to give you more sides than a shorty with tren and d-bol. Bro's test is just as "harsh" as tren and it causes a good deal of water retention, with resultant increase in BP(bad in some bro's) unless you use an estrogen inhibitor....and shit test/d-bol stacks are WAY "harsher" than tren.

The only issue with tren is the frequent injecting required.....but I know some of you newbies have been researching for a long time and are fine with the idea of frequent injections(they aren't that bad!)


Novice... tren/D-BOL....

tren 50mg/day for 4 weeks and d-bol 30mg/day in 4 divided doses per day(one right before bed) for 4 weeks.
Two days after last tren do clomid at 200-300mg on day one in divided doses and then 50-100mg/day for a week and then 50mg a day for 3 more weeks. OR...Nolva at 80mg on day one in divided doses followed by 40mg/day for a week and then 20mg/day for 3 more weeks.
Have nolva or clomid on hand for gyno protection.

More advanced...200 of tren on day one as a front load to get tren levels up pronto and then 75mg/day for 4 weeks. D-bol 50mg/day in 4 divided doses for 4 weeks. SERMS as above

Novice...test PROP/tren

test prop 75mg/day for 4 weeks and tren 50mg/day for 4 weeks. Serms as above. Nolva on hand.

more advanced.....test prop 300mg on day one and then 100-200mg/day for 4 weeks. tren 75mg/day. An estrogen inhibitor might be needed.

MEGA STACK... ADVANCED
test prop 300mg on day one and then 100mg /day for 4 weeks, d-bol 50mg/day and tren 75mg/day......LOOK THE HELL OUT! Have the nolva on the tip of your tongue he he he ...arimidex at 1-1.5mg/day would be wise even for the short 4 week period.

I don't see NPP mentioned anywhere. What about a 4-6 week test prop, NPP or test prop/NPP/d-bol stack? What are your thoughts about NPP for short blasts?

 

[Usealittle]

Any short ester is perfect for shic's.... 2-3oils with and oral, and you have a bitchin cycle.

 

[JCBourne]

Bump for more advice/input from people who have done this.

 

[Digitalash]

What about short blasts while on a cruise?

 

[JCBourne]

What about short blasts while on a cruise?

I'm not sure. But this thread is about guy's who are doing short cycle. If you don't mind bro making a new thread.

Not trying to be a jerk, but trying to stay on topic here.

 

[Digitalash]

I'm not sure. But this thread is about guy's who are doing short cycle. If you don't mind bro making a new thread.

Not trying to be a jerk, but trying to stay on topic here.

No problem bro, I made a thread and it hardly got any responses

My input though, it's not worth spending that much time in PCT.

 

[existone]

Bump for more info on experiences people have had with this style of running gear?

 

[Night_Wolf]

@GymRat4Life

Why u gave me negative rep points? I started this thread. wtf

 

[JCBourne]

@GymRat4Life

Why u gave me negative rep points? I started this thread. wtf

My bad, I got you mixed up with someone. I'll send some positive rep your way asap. Sorry about that.

 

[Beckman818]

I'm in my 40's, and a newbie to gear, even though I've been a gym rat for 20 years. Over the lady year I've ben learning all I can from forums like this. I'm leaning towards short cycles myself because of the health issues, ie. Sides, hdl, etc. Mavrik, I'd like to hear more about your "cut cycles.

 

[Usealittle]

Bump for more info on experiences people have had with this style of running gear?

Shic's are fun and easy....

Take 1-3 fast esters with or without 1 oral run then all at 2-3x the normal dose for 4-6 wks then drop off or back to a cruise dose of 2-250mg test wk.

 

[Mavrik]

Hey Beck....I sent you a PM.

 

[pieguy]

Shic's are fun and easy....

Take 1-3 fast esters with or without 1 oral run then all at 2-3x the normal dose for 4-6 wks then drop off or back to a cruise dose of 2-250mg test wk.

So something like 750 test, 500 tren, 50mg dbol everyday for 6 weeks ? Sounds like fun.

 

[Night_Wolf]

So something like 750 test, 500 tren, 50mg dbol everyday for 6 weeks ? Sounds like fun.

That would be advanced dosage, and u would need aromasin/arimidex with that for sure.
4 weeks max is a short cycle.

I hope that I will be starting a series of short ones in 6-8 weeks. My first will probably be Test Propionate 100mg ED for 4 weeks. (thinking of adding 30mg of dbol).

 

[ted8541]

I've got another long cycle (12 wk) coming up in November. I've already geared up for it. But I'd like to run a series of short blasts next year.

For a first short 4 week blast, I'm thinking 150 test prop EOD, 100 NPP EOD, 35mg dbol ED. I'll add HCG, Aromasin and Caber throughout the cycle and finish with Aromasin and Clomid for PCT.

Any comments?

 

[Usealittle]

So something like 750 test, 500 tren, 50mg dbol everyday for 6 weeks ? Sounds like fun.

Yeah you could do that. Shic's are 4-6 wks but 4 is optimum. Useing all short esters, not enth esters use prop or ace esters. As for the oral I would go 75-100mg..... I know that sound like alot but the amount of time is short.

 

[Usealittle]

I've got another long cycle (12 wk) coming up in November. I've already geared up for it. But I'd like to run a series of short blasts next year.

For a first short 4 week blast, I'm thinking 150 test prop EOD, 100 NPP EOD, 35mg dbol ED. I'll add HCG, Aromasin and Caber throughout the cycle and finish with Aromasin and Clomid for PCT.

Any comments?

For a blast.... I would double it. Everything.

I'm not a big fan of using more then needed but iv done them and they work well. Get on get off..... Easy on the body to come back.

 

[Night_Wolf]

For a first short 4 week blast, I'm thinking 150 test prop EOD, 100 NPP EOD, 35mg dbol ED. I'll add HCG, Aromasin and Caber throughout the cycle and finish with Aromasin and Clomid for PCT.

Really nice. I would substitute NPP for 75mg of Tren A EOD. Ancillaries are perfect!

Don't double it lol, but it depends on your size and cycle history.

 

[Usealittle]

It's a blast.... Not a normal long cycle. 150mg prop eod is only just over 500mg, witch for most is nothing! (not me). 500mg is a cycle not a blast......

So if you want a blast double it for 4wks.

 

[renohawj]

Good read!

 

[Chrisotpherm]

I have really enjoyed this thread gents. A lot of great information here. Any ideas on a test only short blast? Just curious?


V/R
Chris

 

[Usealittle]

Prop or ace ester at 2-3 x your normal dose. But I think 2 oils or 1oil with 1 oral would be much better then 1huge dose of test.

JMO

 

[Chrisotpherm]

^^^Hmm something to think about.

 

[Night_Wolf]

Test P
Test P/Dbol
Test P/Anadrol
Test P/Tren A
Test P/Tren A/Winny

Another idea is to let estrogen run wild for first 15 days and watch for signs of gyno and female pattern fat deposits (have Nolva on hand) and than introduce AI starting day 15.
(estrogen can increase IGF-1 production, it also increases androgen receptor-site sensitivity)

 

[Chrisotpherm]

Test P
Test P/Dbol
Test P/Anadrol
Test P/Tren A
Test P/Tren A/Winny

Another idea is to let estrogen run wild for first 15 days and watch for signs of gyno and female pattern fat deposits (have Nolva on hand) and than introduce AI starting day 15.
(estrogen can increase IGF-1 production, it also increases androgen receptor-site sensitivity)

Just the mention of gyno makes me shutter. I want nothing to do with that business.


V/R
Chris

 

[mr.giggles]

-I remember hearing/reading that receptor site stimulation is maximum around weeks 3-8, so if cycles were 4 weeks some may say that would be a little too short.. ? Anyone hear of this..?

-I think this is why Ronnie Rowland aimed his literature aorund 8wk blast and cruises..

 

[Usealittle]

The body does need to have estrogen flowing to get proper muscle growth. You don't want to much be your body does need some.

Only time u want to cut it all is leading up to a show or for pics.

 

[rjd]

What is an example of a short burst cycle to lean out? Not trying to bulk up.

 

[pieguy]

What is an example of a short burst cycle to lean out? Not trying to bulk up.

test P + tren ace would be the ideal cutting cycle. It's technically best as a recomp cycle, but essentially, recomp is just cutting and gaining a few lbs of lean mass. Best of both worlds. Tren increases feed efficiency meaning it takes all that protein you ingest and puts them to work for you, even in a reduced calorie setting.

 

[rjd]

test P + tren ace would be the ideal cutting cycle. It's technically best as a recomp cycle, but essentially, recomp is just cutting and gaining a few lbs of lean mass. Best of both worlds. Tren increases feed efficiency meaning it takes all that protein you ingest and puts them to work for you, even in a reduced calorie setting.

Thanks bro. I have some Testoline (test e & test cyp blend). Will that be ok to run with the tren ace?