Should Christians support Obama?

[jagbender]

Dr. David Barton - on Obama
Respect the Office? Yes.
Respect the Man in the Office? No, I am sorry to say.
I have noted that many elected officials, both Democrats andRepublicans, called upon America to unite behind Obama.
Well, I want to make it clear to all who will listen that I AM NOTuniting behind Obama!
I will respect the Office which he holds, and I will acknowledgehis abilities as an orator and wordsmith and pray for him, BUT that is it.
I have begun today to see what I can do to make sure that he is aone-term President!
Why am I doing this?
It is because:
- I do not share Obama's vision or value system for America;
- I do not share his Abortion beliefs;
- I do not share his radical Marxist's concept of re-distributingwealth;
- I do not share his stated views on raising taxes on those whomake$150,000+ (the ceiling has been changed three times since August);
- I do not share his view that America is Arrogant;
- I do not share his view that America is not a Christian Nation;
- I do not share his view that the military should be reduced by25%;
- I do not share his view of amnesty and giving more to illegal?sthan our American Citizens who need help;
- I do not share his views on homosexuality and his definition ofmarriage;
- I do not share his views that Radical Islam is our friend andIsrael is our enemy who should give up any land;
- I do not share his spiritual beliefs (at least the ones he hasmade public);
- I do not share his beliefs on how to re-work the healthcaresystem in America;
- I do not share his Strategic views of the Middle East; and
- I certainly do not share his plan to sit down with terroristregimes such as Iran.
Bottom line: my America is vastly different from Obama's, and Ihave a higher obligation to my Country and my GOD to do what is Right!
For eight (8) years, the Liberals in our Society, led by numerousentertainers who would have no platform and no real credibility but for theircelebrity status, have attacked President Bush, his family, and his spiritualbeliefs!
They have not moved toward the center in their beliefs and theirphilosophies, and they never came together nor compromised their personalbeliefs for the betterment of our Country!
They have portrayed my America as a land where everything is toleratedexcept being intolerant!
They have been a vocal and irreverent minority for years!
They have mocked and attacked the very core values so important tothe founding and growth of our Country!
They have made every effort to remove the name of GOD or JesusChrist from our Society!
They have challenged capital punishment, the right to bearfirearms, and the most basic principles of our criminal code!
They have attacked one of the most fundamental of all Freedoms,the right of free speech!
Unite behind Obama? Never!
I am sure many of you who read this think that I am goingoverboard, but I refuse to retreat one more inch in favor of those whom Ibelieve are the embodiment of Evil!
PRESIDENT BUSH made many mistakes during his Presidency, and I amnot sure how history will judge him. However, I believe that he weighed hisdecisions in light of the long established Judeo-Christian principles of ourFounding Fathers!!!
Majority rules in America, and I will honor the concept; however,I will fight with all of my power to be a voice in opposition to Obama and his"goals for America ..."
I am going to be a thorn in the side of those who, if leftunchecked, will destroy our Country! Any more compromise is more defeat!
I pray that the results of this election will wake up many whohave sat on the sidelines and allowed the Socialist-Marxist anti-GOD crowd toslowly change so much of what has been good in America!

 

[DOMS]

Americans in general should not.

 

[vicious 13]

Politics and religion don't go together and who should we support

 

[exphys88]

Maybe if you pray hard enough, god will make a mormon president. Wait, does god like mormons, or does he hate them like he does fags?

 

[vicious 13]

God for president?

 

[DOMS]

God for president?

Only if he smites his predecessor, the Senate, Congress, and...

Screw it, he'll need to kill just about all the politicians.

 

[Chrisotpherm]

Maybe if you pray hard enough, god will make a mormon president. Wait, does god like mormons, or does he hate them like he does fags?

I knew your were going to chime in ex. Lol.

However I do see eye to eye on what this fellow has said. Our nation iw losing our stance as a world power and continually being down graded by our own president and congress stupid decisions.

 

[exphys88]

I knew your were going to chime in ex. Lol.

However I do see eye to eye on what this fellow has said. Our nation iw losing our stance as a world power and continually being down graded by our own president and congress stupid decisions.

I wasn't intending to suggest anything about obamas politics, just the irony of telling christians that they should vote for a mormon instead of a christian. It's also strange what christians think jesus would suggest they do. Would jesus agree with bombing of other countries? Would he be for capital punishment? Would he be a socialist of a capitalist? would he be ok with healthcare for everyone? does he think people should strive to be rich, or does he think that rich people will have a hard time getting into heaven?

 

[ALBOB]

the irony of telling christians that they should vote for a mormon instead of a christian.

Uhhhh, you do realize Mormons ARE Christians, don't you?

 

[DOMS]

Uhhhh, you do realize Mormons ARE Christians, don't you?

Some of the better ones.

 

[hoyle21]

Uhhhh, you do realize Mormons ARE Christians, don't you?

Most Christians would disagree.


Besides, Christians dont support America. They would feel more welcome in a place like the Philippines, or the middle east.

 

[exphys88]

Uhhhh, you do realize Mormons ARE Christians, don't you?

Yes, Mormons currently like to be included in the term "Christian," but clearly the 2 sets of beliefs can't both be accurate. Here is a Christian website that clearly lays out the differences in the 2 religions and explains why either one or both is incorrect.
http://bible-truth.org/arelds.htm

 

[exphys88]

Some of the better ones.

Mormons are some of the genuinely kindest and respectable people that I've come into contact with, much like Buddhists.
But, I bet they're lame in the sack.

 

[DOMS]

Yes, Mormons currently like to be included in the term "Christian," but clearly the 2 sets of beliefs can't both be accurate. Here is a Christian website that clearly lays out the differences in the 2 religions and explains why either one or both is incorrect.
Are Mormons Christians?

Yep, Mormons have some unique views, but unlike most other religions, Christian or otherwise, they spend more time doing good than talking about doing good.

 

[exphys88]

Yep, Mormons have some unique views, but unlike most other religions, Christian or otherwise, they spend more time doing good than talking about doing good.

I completely agree

 

[secdrl]

I thought Obama was a Christian? Supports Abortion, Supports Gay Marriage and said the passing of his HC bill is something "Jesus would do."

Obama Says He Is A Christian? You Be The Judge! - YouTube

 

[charley]

 

[exphys88]

I thought Obama was a Christian? Supports Abortion, Supports Gay Marriage and said the passing of his HC bill is something "Jesus would do."

Obama Says He Is A Christian? You Be The Judge! - YouTube

So, supporting capital punishment, discrimination of homosexuals and only giving healthcare to those with enough money are things jesus would approve of? Have you read the bible, cause I'm pretty sure jesus was against killing, was against judging people and healed the sick w/o pay. If jesus were alive today, he'd be a socialist and a pacifist, both of which are not good for humanity.

 

[secdrl]

I disagree that gays are discriminated against. They want special treatment and special rights. It's discrimination against straight people. For example, they can have a gay pride parade and celebrate their "colors," but would it be okay if they we held a "straight parade." Of course not, that's hateful and full of bigotry. The left have always shown a fucked up hypocritcal agenda, and Barack Obama is the epitome of a hypocrite.

 

[hoyle21]

I disagree that gays are discriminated against. They want special treatment and special rights. It's discrimination against straight people. For example, they can have a gay pride parade and celebrate their "colors," but would it be okay if they we held a "straight parade." Of course not, that's hateful and full of bigotry. The left have always shown a fucked up hypocritcal agenda, and Barack Obama is the epitome of a hypocrite.

Good luck exphys!

 

[exphys88]

I disagree that gays are discriminated against. They want special treatment and special rights. It's discrimination against straight people. For example, they can have a gay pride parade and celebrate their "colors," but would it be okay if they we held a "straight parade." Of course not, that's hateful and full of bigotry. The left have always shown a fucked up hypocritcal agenda, and Barack Obama is the epitome of a hypocrite.

I've been to tons of straight parades, actually every one I've been to was straight. How about being fired for being gay? Is that discrimination, cause until this last year, the military did it all the time.
What special rights are you referring to?
I'm not defending obama, I'm just pointing out the absurdity of conservatives thinking that their views are anything close to resembling to what jesus taught.

 

[secdrl]

I've been to tons of straight parades, actually every one I've been to was straight. How about being fired for being gay? Is that discrimination, cause until this last year, the military did it all the time.
What special rights are you referring to?
I'm not defending obama, I'm just pointing out the absurdity of conservatives thinking that their views are anything close to resembling to what jesus taught.

Where are you attending straight pride parades? I'd like to pencil one in on my calendar. No, I don't think you should be fired for being gay in a corportate job. The military is a different story. What about black only colleges, now they're letting tranny's in beauty pagents. (not that there's anything wrong with that) Or black only scholarships? etc.?? The list goes on and on. IMO, the liberal left discriminates against white/straight people on a daily basis while promoting tolerance and acceptance for the alternative lifestyle and various races.

 

[DOMS]

I disagree that gays are discriminated against. They want special treatment and special rights. It's discrimination against straight people. For example, they can have a gay pride parade and celebrate their "colors," but would it be okay if they we held a "straight parade." Of course not, that's hateful and full of bigotry. The left have always shown a fucked up hypocritcal agenda, and Barack Obama is the epitome of a hypocrite.

And that's how it is for non-white males.

You're black and want equality? Create scholarships only open to blacks and create a television station called the Black Entertainment Television network. You know, shit that whites aren't allowed to do.

You're a woman and want equality? Bitch about how there aren't enough women lawyers, doctors, or CEOs; but shut the fuck up when it comes to miners, industrial fishers, and sanitation workers. Bonus points for not talking about how men are underrepresented as registered nurses and elementary teachers.

You're gay and want equality? Get the ability to get married, abuse the shit out of churches that don't want to perform the ceremony even though there are other places to get it done, and then bitch about the backlash like you had nothing to do with it.

I'll close with the following quote of mine:

"And this is why I like being a hetero pale male.

Gays try to prove they're as good as straight people.
Minorities try to prove they're as good as whites.
Woman try to prove they're as good as men.

I don't have to prove shit."

 

[exphys88]

Where are you attending straight pride parades? I'd like to pencil one in on my calendar. No, I don't think you should be fired for being gay in a corportate job. The military is a different story. What about black only colleges, now they're letting tranny's in beauty pagents. (not that there's anything wrong with that) Or black only scholarships? etc.?? The list goes on and on. IMO, the liberal left discriminates against white/straight people on a daily basis while promoting tolerance and acceptance for the alternative lifestyle and various races.

We don't need straight pride parades, we are not treated as inferiors. The point is that they're fighting for equal rights; to not be discriminated against, to not be told who they can and can't marry, and to be able to serve their country without being discriminated against.

Why should we allow our military to fire gays? You know that gays have been serving in the military since it was created right? I'm still waiting for the military to collapse as repubs said it would after we removed DADT.

 

[jagbender]

Why should gays have equal rights. The cannot produce offspring. When God dessigned men and women he had a simple plan

Man mate with woman produce children.

Not man fuck man in ass

Woman act like a man and strap fuck girlfriend with a plastic dick.


It is too simple insert male part into female part

DUH

 

[troubador]

So, supporting capital punishment, discrimination of homosexuals and only giving healthcare to those with enough money are things jesus would approve of? Have you read the bible, cause I'm pretty sure jesus was against killing, was against judging people and healed the sick w/o pay. If jesus were alive today, he'd be a socialist and a pacifist, both of which are not good for humanity.

I'm no bible scholar but from what I gather I wouldn't be so sure about your claims. How an individual should act is not the same as how governments should operate. I make the argument all the time to Christians - just because something is immoral doesn't mean it should be illegal. Our founding fathers were able to see this distinction and I think the bible speaks very little(if at all?) about how a government should operate yet speaks heavily about how morality is an individual responsibility.

 

[exphys88]

Why should gays have equal rights. The cannot produce offspring. When God dessigned men and women he had a simple plan

Man mate with woman produce children.

Not man fuck man in ass

Woman act like a man and strap fuck girlfriend with a plastic dick.


It is too simple insert male part into female part

DUH

So, once your wife goes thru menopause and cannot reproduce, she no longer deserves equal rights?
I'm a big fan of women fucking other women with plastic dicks.

Again, back to the original point, you guys are nothing like jesus was and I'm sure he would be ashamed that you guys claim to be christians. You sound more like muslims to me, and mormons actually act like jesus wanted folks to IMO.

 

[exphys88]

I'm no bible scholar but from what I gather I wouldn't be so sure about your claims. How an individual should act is not the same as how governments should operate. I make the argument all the time to Christians - just because something is immoral doesn't mean it should be illegal. Our founding fathers were able to see this distinction and I think the bible speaks very little(if at all?) about how a government should operate yet speaks heavily about how morality is an individual responsibility.

I don't see your point. I never said anything about things being illegal, I'm questioning whether conservative views are anything like jesus'. I'm pretty sure when jesus said "thou shall not kill," he didn't mean that it was ok for a soldier to kill, or that capital punishment was an exception. Or, when he said a rich man will have a hard time getting into heaven, he wasn't talking about governments.

 

[troubador]

Why should gays have equal rights.

I think they do. If I'm not mistaken, laws regarding marriage make no distinction in sexual orientation. Gays aren't prohibited from getting married but rather anyone is barred from getting married to anyone of the same sex. So gays have equal right which happen to be quite inconvenient for them.

I actually don't care if homos get married, or four people get married to each other, or a midget marries a goat.

 

[exphys88]

I think they do. If I'm not mistaken, laws regarding marriage make no distinction in sexual orientation. Gays aren't prohibited from getting married but rather anyone is barred from getting married to anyone of the same sex. So gays have equal right which happen to be quite inconvenient for them.

I actually don't care if homos get married, or four people get married to each other, or a midget marries a goat.

lol, that's a clever way to put it (no sarcasm).