should unhealthy foods be outlawed/regulated??

[Sh8kin]

There is only one person in charge of the hand to mouth motion.

 

[njc]

There is only one person in charge of the hand to mouth motion.

Parents are shoveling this poison into their childrens mouths for convience sake. Children grow up addicted to it. They get fat. This costs us billions of dollars.
Its more complicated than what youve just posted.

 

[Sh8kin]

People need to start taking accountability for themselves AND for their children. It is very unfortunate parents will feed crap to their kids everyday but 9 times out of 10 the parents are shoveling the same shit into their mouths as well. Kids are a direct reflection of their parents so of course if the parents habits are unhealthy to begin with then the childs habits will also be similar.

But we don't need the government is everything that we do. Where do we draw the damn line? It's time for people to take accountability instead of passing the blame.

You said it's more complicated, yes, there are a multitude of angles at work with this problem. But ultimately down to it's simplest form, we are the only ones in control of ourselves, only we decide what we put in our bodies. The parents need to start taking responsibility and start eating right and their kids will follow.

 

[njc]

People need to start taking accountability for themselves AND for their children. It is very unfortunate parents will feed crap to their kids everyday but 9 times out of 10 the parents are shoveling the same shit into their mouths as well. Kids are a direct reflection of their parents so of course if the parents habits are unhealthy to begin with then the childs habits will also be similar.

But we don't need the government is everything that we do. Where do we draw the damn line? It's time for people to take accountability instead of passing the blame.

You said it's more complicated, yes, there are a multitude of angles at work with this problem. But ultimately down to it's simplest form, we are the only ones in control of ourselves, only we decide what we put in our bodies. The parents need to start taking responsibility and start eating right and their kids will follow.

It should be illegal for resturuants to sell poison. If they were forced to spend a little more money to but better quality meat, which is what it would take among other things, I wouldnt have a problem with that. Theyre so rich and yet continue to buy the worlds lowest quality of meat and continue to sell shit products. It wouldnt hurt my feelings at all to take some money out of theyre pocket to give us better food. Regulating shit junk food would not equall to our lives being run by the government. It should absolutely be personal choice as to what to eat. Its their responsibility to help ensure that our options help us instead of compounding our nations obesity health crisis. Should it be illegal for resturuants to sell rat poison? It is. Should it be illegal for people to kill each other? It is. Lines are drawn where necassary, I see no freedom being ripped from us by improving the quality of our food.

 

[Todd_]

worst thread ever


what happened to freedom of choice? personal responsibility? Are you so stupid you want your goverment making all your decisions?

Wow, id like to see people like the starter of this thread forced to retake an unbiased history class and read/interpret the US constitution correctly

 

[Vieope]

Are you so stupid you want your goverment making all your decisions?

But that already happens.

 

[Todd_]

But that already happens.

sad to say but yes, to an extent it does


your freedoms are being taken away more and more each passing day!

 

[Sh8kin]

So the government should be responsible for what we eat? We are not babies here. What next? What we wear? What we drive? How often we can work out? The point is that choice is a previledge in this society, but unfortunately, like everything else, can be abused. And it is.

They sell Rat poison at the supermarket. It is someones choice whether they buy that stalk of celery or box of rat poison and eat it. I like to get a pork steak (southern thing) every once in a while. That is one of the fattiest pieces of shit you can eat. Should I be denied that because 1 person decides it's not fit for the rest of us?

There should be better options and in a capitalist society the solution would be more healthy places to eat. But even if that happened you know what? People would still eat at shit places because they will want their monthly Big Mac every now and then. And some people just won't give a shit.

Another problem I see, and I have told many people this, that it is MORE economically beneficial to eat crap than to eat healthy. It is cheaper to eat unhealthy. If healthy fast food stores spring up offering higher quality foods I gaurantee they will be more expensive to eat at. A person who is hungry and only has 5 bucks will choose the place where he can get more. 5 bucks is a Bic Mac Meal and double cheeseburger at MCD. A RTD Protein shake is typically what? 3-4 bucks? What's the typical person going to choose on the go?

It should be illegal for resturuants to sell poison. If they were forced to spend a little more money to but better quality meat, which is what it would take among other things, I wouldnt have a problem with that.

Yes, that would be great for them to pay more for higher quality of food. But we, the consumers, will pay more $$$ for it

Theyre so rich and yet continue to buy the worlds lowest quality of meat and continue to sell shit products. It wouldnt hurt my feelings at all to take some money out of theyre pocket to give us better food.

I would love to see that too. But it will never happen. That's business. If it is returning a profit why change it? If you have a can of alpo and someone wants to give you 10 bucks for it wouldn't you keep selling it to them for as long as they kept coming back? Like I said, its the choices individuals are making. If all a sudden EVERYONE on earth decided they hated alpo you'd have to sell something else. If EVERYONE on earth decided they wanted to eat healthy from now on, I bet McDonalds would change their menu. But until that happens they have no reason to.

Regulating shit junk food would not equall to our lives being run by the government. It should absolutely be personal choice as to what to eat. Its their responsibility to help ensure that our options

It is their responsiblity to make sure we have an option. Not to limit them. This is america, you can open a healthy restuarant if you want, you have the option.

help us instead of compounding our nations obesity health crisis.

They are not "compounding" the obesity crisis. People are compounding the obesity crisis. Crap food has been around for a while, it has recently just been an epidemic within the last couple of years. Did people just eat more healthy in the 70s or 80s? I don't know.

Should it be illegal for resturuants to sell rat poison? It is. Should it be illegal for people to kill each other? It is.

Lines are drawn where necassary, I see no freedom being ripped from us by improving the quality of our food.

Can you imagine if the government stepped in with the AIDS epidemic and regulated how many sexual partners we could have? Would you agree with that?

If I want to sit on a couch all day, eat cheeto's and cheeseburgers while having multiple gangbangs daily it is my God given right as an american.


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[KentDog]

retake an unbiased history class and read/interpret the US constitution correctly

What does this have to do with anything? If America today was what the Framers had wanted, women couldn't vote and there'd still be slavery.

 

[BigDyl]

Education is key. Good movie to watch = fast food nation.

 

[joesmooth20]

don't know how much good it would do to teach our nations children about the effects
of the food they put into their bodies. They just need to evaluate the food they have
in schools and the options that these kids have. I remember pretty much no healthy
choices at schools i've attended. That is allot of our baseline problems right there.
The children have no good options and no eduacation on what is good for them besides
the BS outdated food charts and shit like that. Everyday fast paced lifestyles that us
Americans live is a big contributor to the wieght and health problems in this country
also. "Food on the Go" is what everyone has in their minds and they obviously don't
care or don't know what fastfood does to their bodies.

I think a very early start in the school system on health awarness would help to a point
but like the old saying goes "you can drag a horse to water but you can't make em drink" applies alot in todays society.

If they want to kill themselves by eating like shit and not take the time to learn proper
diet and exercise it is their own fault!

 

[mr_oo3]

Education is key. Good movie to watch = fast food nation.

Correct me if i'm wrong, but isn't Fast Food Nation the book and Supersize Me is the movie.

 

[Kracin]

worst thread ever


what happened to freedom of choice? personal responsibility? Are you so stupid you want your goverment making all your decisions?

Wow, id like to see people like the starter of this thread forced to retake an unbiased history class and read/interpret the US constitution correctly

the us constitution huh, we make new laws and ammend laws all the time.
once upon a time the best thing for us was 3 square meals. once upon a time there was no fast food. things change, times change. and with a change of times you can only learn from history to make better choices for the world today.

i grew up as one of the kids who didnt have very much choice as to what i could have for myself, makes me sad whenever i see an obese child that is being lugged around by their even worse parent.

im not saying that the goverment should step in and completely regulate every part of our lifestyles either, like one person said, freedom of choice is something we all enjoy, but it CAN be abused. think of the tobacco companies as a good mirror image of fast food restaurants, they both sell products that are extremely unhealthy for the public, they bothmake a whole lot of money for their products that pretty much both kill people (yes fast food, eat it a lot, get heart disease from obesity, simple as that). people have a freedom of choice as to wether they wish to consume/use these products regardless of the health problems associated with them.... the goverment DID put a restriction on tobacco products though, 18 and up i believe..... now im not saying that an age restriction should be put on fast food lol that would be just plain stupid. but when something has the ability to affect a life like that, the goverment tends to have to put limits/restrictions on it to keep it from being abused and becoming out of control. just think of how many more smokers there would be if the age restriction wasnt there, kids would be smoking because they could get it easy. and then if they had kids the kids would grow up around it and much easier get accustomed to it and do it themselves (not a lot do but from everyone ive talked to, thats how its started). now when you put a kid in a family that eats fast food all the time, that child grows up eating unhealthy foods that taste great. and if the kid ever eats anything that is good but somewhat bland (not as horribly delicious as that praised big mac) they are going to look for the sweetest, most unhealthy thing they can find, because they are accustomed to it and thats the only things they know that is that good that they can fill up with.

thats the other thing with portion control as well. parents dont feed their kids with happy meals that often anymore, i know that a ton of parents just pass up the happy meals because they can get more food with regular meals to keep their kids from whining later. having those kinds of proportions for someone so small is horrible, especially if the parents still go with the "finish it all, or else" thing.

freedom of choice is great, but when people are ignorant as to what they are choosing to do when its such a factor as its become, then something has to be done to regulate it.

like the last example, just think of other things like tattoos, strip clubs, pornography etc etc. they all have age restrictions and other kinds of restrictions because uneducated people would be making horrible decisions with it and in general it just makes society a worse place when idiots walk around ruining their lives and the lifestyles of others with their decisions.

 

[Pylon]

Correct me if i'm wrong, but isn't Fast Food Nation the book and Supersize Me is the movie.

You are correct sir! (And both excellent, I might add...)

 

[Pylon]

Regulation happens every day. And hell yes, I want the government regulating food. (You know, the FDA has done some nice things regarding the quality of food that can be sold in the US. Is this so different?)

I don't think anyone really wants limits on what we can buy. But limits on how bad the shit they can sell seems like a decent idea to me. Don't forget, our gonvernment is, ideally, a reflection of our society. And our society is in bad shape in lots of ways. How about a little help?

I'm actually shocked they ahven't done more with this. Anything to distract from the disaster they made of the Middle East seems like a good target for the current group of morons in charge. (Steroids in Congress anyone? How about a right to die case? See the monkey? Look at the monkey!)

 

[Var]

I dont think the govt should have any say in what we put into our bodies, (food, drugs, etc...). But of course, I also think stupid people SHOULD get fat and die.

 

[BigDyl]

Correct me if i'm wrong, but isn't Fast Food Nation the book and Supersize Me is the movie.

Yeah, my bad. Fast food nation = good book. Super Size Me = Good Movie. Btw, it seems what leads us to getting these super fast meals is our work contraints...but I have a feeling that will lead to something political...

 

[LAM]

I don't think the fast food industry should be regulated. anybody with an IQ over 70 should know that fast food is unhealthy and shouldn't be consumed on a regular basis. while I do feel sorry for the children of lazy stupid parents who constantly feed them this garbage. I don't think that regulation but education is the solution to this obesity "epidemic".

and of course there are just way to many stupid people out there who feel the need to procreate. unfortunately most stupid people don't realize they are stupid.

 

[njc]

So the government should be responsible for what we eat? We are not babies here. What next? What we wear? What we drive? How often we can work out? The point is that choice is a previledge in this society, but unfortunately, like everything else, can be abused. And it is.

They sell Rat poison at the supermarket. It is someones choice whether they buy that stalk of celery or box of rat poison and eat it. I like to get a pork steak (southern thing) every once in a while. That is one of the fattiest pieces of shit you can eat. Should I be denied that because 1 person decides it's not fit for the rest of us?

There should be better options and in a capitalist society the solution would be more healthy places to eat. But even if that happened you know what? People would still eat at shit places because they will want their monthly Big Mac every now and then. And some people just won't give a shit.



Another problem I see, and I have told many people this, that it is MORE economically beneficial to eat crap than to eat healthy. It is cheaper to eat unhealthy. If healthy fast food stores spring up offering higher quality foods I gaurantee they will be more expensive to eat at. A person who is hungry and only has 5 bucks will choose the place where he can get more. 5 bucks is a Bic Mac Meal and double cheeseburger at MCD. A RTD Protein shake is typically what? 3-4 bucks? What's the typical person going to choose on the go?




Can you imagine if the government stepped in with the AIDS epidemic and regulated how many sexual partners we could have? Would you agree with that?

If I want to sit on a couch all day, eat cheeto's and cheeseburgers while having multiple gangbangs daily it is my God given right as an american.


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Youre really taking all or nothing thinking to an extreme here. Of course they shouldnt determine what we wear. They should however not allow manufacturers to put razor blades in our clothing. Of course they shouldnt tell people what to drive. They do however regulate certain safety standards that sometimes come into question. Such is the case with fast-food, of course it all comes under fda scrutiny, but are they strict enough? Hardly. And you act as if im saying fastfood should be outlawed. Go back and read my posts. Of course we should be allowed to eat where and what we want. All im saying is that the food could be better regulated, thats all. Such was the question of the thread.

 

[LAM]

They do however regulate certain safety standards that sometimes come into question. Such is the case with fast-food, of course it all comes under fda scrutiny, but are they strict enough? Hardly. And you act as if im saying fastfood should be outlawed. Go back and read my posts. Of course we should be allowed to eat where and what we want. All im saying is that the food could be better regulated, thats all. Such was the question of the thread.

Are fast foods any less "safe' than the dozens of crappy cereals, breakfast products and candy bars out there ? No. so then why does fast food have to be healthy ? why should one industry (fast food) fall under scrutiny when all of the others do not ?

 

[njc]

Are fast foods any less "safe' than the dozens of crappy cereals, breakfast products and candy bars out there ? No. so then why does fast food have to be healthy ? why should one industry (fast food) fall under scrutiny when all of the others do not ?

Fast food is defenitely worse than any breakfast cereal, candy bar or bag of chips. And for more reasons than nutrition. McDonalds is more evil than Wal-Mart in their intentions. You should read fastfood nation.

And I never said that all food should have to be healthy. I know you are an informed person on this stuff after reading many of your posts. But do you realize exactely just how bad fast food is? How ridiculous there portion sizes are? There was only one size in the begining of McDonalds and that size is now the kiddie size. Seriously.

It doesnt HAVE to to be healthy, but unpoisoness would be a sound start.

 

[fUnc17]

think about the economic impact if they initiated some kind of regulation. I do whats healthy for me and me only, I'll share my knowledge with people that are willing to listen, but not with those that dont know any better (that should know better) and are going to eat like shit regardless.

I agree with LAM, its about education not regulation

 

[njc]

think about the economic impact if they initiated some kind of regulation. I do whats healthy for me and me only, I'll share my knowledge with people that are willing to listen, but not with those that dont know any better and are going to eat like shit regardless.

There IS REGULATION. There has to be and there always will be. All im saying is while youre regulating, well you might as well actually regulate.

 

[fUnc17]

There IS REGULATION. There has to be and there always will be. All im saying is while youre regulating, well you might as well actually regulate.

so if I go into Mcdonalds and ask for 15 cheeseburgers, they are going to say "no" because its bad for me? I dont think so, they're in it for the money, as long as the customers keep comin back they arent gunna give a shit about the quality of their product.

 

[njc]

so if I go into Mcdonalds and ask for 15 cheeseburgers, they are going to say "no" because its bad for me? I dont think so, they're in it for the money, as long as the customers keep comin back they arent gunna give a shit about the quality of their product.

FDA regulation dummy.

 

[Kracin]

for some reason i think its hard for some people to comprehend the impact that these things have on society. if its all about education and no regulation needed, letting the stupid weed out of society. how about we just make pot legal while were at it, get rid of the drinking age and smoking age. that way we can have a bunch of idiots out there endagering everyone else and raising the cost of health care for everyone else, ruining the lives of people around them as well..... the way those other people eat is annoying as hell, its sparked an article about weight loss in every magazine, every tv show you have to sit there and look at an eye sore of an ass that is trying to fit into clothes way too small. all these oversized people dont just kill themselves, they affect the lives of people around them, the more they eat. the worse the food is going to get until eventually if it keeps going unregulated i believe that the average age we live to is going to drop a hell of a lot. this may be a good way to express the theory of evolution.... these people eat way too damn much, get fat, die early and cant reproduce enough and their children die early as well. the healthier live longer and reproduce more and have healthier kids, but it wont even work like that thanks to the lifestyles they lead, which will affect even the healthy. when was the last time you were able to go and pick up a quick meal while you were out and have it be perfectly healthy for you? last time i had to drive about 20 minutes out of my way to get to a panera bread because the only thing around was fast food places.

and the topic of cereals and all of that being just as unhealthy...... no one said things you buy from the store is good for you, and they are only regulated so much. but there was even a lawsuit because a woman bought low sugar cereals for her kids thinking they were healthier for them (one of your smart consumers), but it turns out that they used highly refined carbohydrates that act just like sugars and are just as bad which made the cereals no better at all, hows that for how the food industry really works? they dont care about what they sell as long as it sells, and they will take advantage of the diet crazes going around as well. so would you consider the woman who tried to make a good decision for her kids a smart person or one of those dumb fatasses because she still bought something that wasnt healthy for her kids? the fact is, without regulation on things the food industry will do anything to sell their product.... hell theyd even lie about whats in it if they could, thats why the fda requires labels of all the ingredients and nutrition.

 

[fUnc17]

FDA regulation dummy.

yea lets get serious, FDA... LOL

 

[njc]

yea lets get serious, FDA... LOL

what the fuck are u talkin about? it is fda regulated.

 

[Seanp156]

im all for survival of the fittest thing, take warning labels off of things like hairdryers stating do not use near water, sun visors telling you to not operate a vehicle with it in place....... that kind of stuff too, but what about the kids of all these parents who are lazy fucks and wont cook for their kids, so they feed the kids fast food every other night or so, and then the kids grow up obese, depressed, and all that other fun stuff because their parents were dumbasses? in fact i was one of those kids that was given fast food at least 3 times a week because my parents didnt feel like cooking, so i got to grow up that way. is that really fair to some point? sure theres lots of overweight older people who i could less than a crap about because they got that way later in life, im more concerned with the next generation of kids and people who are going to be so damn unhealthy because of it

Yeah man, I literally had fast food I'm guessing at LEAST 5 times a week, maybe more, and my diet was horrible otherwise as well(pop tarts,waffles, chips, cookies etc.) before November 04. I'm lucky I have a somewhat high metabolism and didn't get fat, and I didn't keep eating it regularly as time goes on. I love the convienance of fast food, but that's not worth sacrificing good nutrition for, which a large portion of the population don't really care about.

 

[Pylon]

yea lets get serious, FDA... LOL

I think that was the point, func. The FDA regs are a joke, but the DO EXIST. So, as long as they are going to exist, put some teeth in them and enforce them for a change.

As far as the 15 cheeseburger question, no one (at least that I know) thinks there should be a limit as to how many you can eat. But there is (and should be more) restriction on what can be in the burger, such as an "acceptable" limit of rat feces in the meat (in my book should be zero, but what do I know) and the source of the meat the burger is made of (cows OK, people not so much.)

The point is there already is some regulation in place, but it is soft and poorly enforced. It is there, let's make it stick.