Skinny guy needs advice getting started

[DAMIAN5000]

I have no idea where to start. The more I read, the more confused I get. Nandrolone sounds interesting because of it's lower side effects (or not?). I'm looking for something not too hard core. I don't want to be huge. I'd like to put on about 15 kilo of bulk muscle (I'm currently 36 years old, 6'0, 70kilo, small bone frame) in say 6 months time.

Is this possible without juicing myself to hell?
Also, will most of the muscle I build up stay with me even if I stop lifting (I realize I'd lose tone, but will most of the mass stay there??)
Anyone have suggestions on what I should use and dosage?

Also, I'm in Thailand... Not sure if that makes it easier or harder to get what I'd need.

Appreciate any help here.

Thanks

 

[Digitalash]

First off, do you even lift?


Train naturally for 2-3 years and come back, learn to DIET MOST IMPORTANTLY YOU WEIGH NOTHING


will I retain muscle from juice if I stop lifting??? Like what in the living fuck? You don't need gear of any kind man, you need to lift and eat like everyone else does at first

 

[Merlin2299]

Hate to say it but I agree with Digital - in order for gear to work - you should really have a good base to work off of. In other words you need to lift and have some natural muscle before you try to do a cycle of any kind. Most of us train hard and have been doing so for years -not only putting the time in at the gym but putting the effort into our diet as well. Now - lets assume your able to put on some natural muscle and want to try some gear - a simple Test only cycle would give you good results for someone who has never done any cycle and you wouldn't need that high of a dose - Honestly I would do 300-500 /week tops. Of course thats Test C or E. I wouldn't start stacking anything until you get a cycle or two under your belt - then you could look at adding some deca or whatever. But again - first impression from your post is that your looking for a miracle drug without having to put in the work and I hate to tell you - it doesn't exist.

 

[Digitalash]

Yep sounds like op wants to lift for a month or two on gear and then stop working out again. I have absolutely zero respect for that and it shows tremendous disrespect for the work we really put in. You won't retain anything if you stop lifting why even ask? You don't stop lifting, until old age, injury or death makes it impossible. Period.

 

[Goldenera]

First off, do you even lift?


Train naturally for 2-3 years and come back, learn to DIET MOST IMPORTANTLY YOU WEIGH NOTHING


will I retain muscle from juice if I stop lifting??? Like what in the living fuck? You don't need gear of any kind man, you need to lift and eat like everyone else does at first

Do What he said.......

Lol....juice an stop lifting and stay big?!? Wtf is this even a real question or thread ?

 

[TwisT]

Let me refer you to our Nutrition section.....

 

[DAMIAN5000]

Hate to say it but I agree with Digital - in order for gear to work - you should really have a good base to work off of. In other words you need to lift and have some natural muscle before you try to do a cycle of any kind. Most of us train hard and have been doing so for years -not only putting the time in at the gym but putting the effort into our diet as well. Now - lets assume your able to put on some natural muscle and want to try some gear - a simple Test only cycle would give you good results for someone who has never done any cycle and you wouldn't need that high of a dose - Honestly I would do 300-500 /week tops. Of course thats Test C or E. I wouldn't start stacking anything until you get a cycle or two under your belt - then you could look at adding some deca or whatever. But again - first impression from your post is that your looking for a miracle drug without having to put in the work and I hate to tell you - it doesn't exist.

Ok, thanks for the replies.

1) So what happens if you DON'T have a good base and start on a low dose of juice?

2) I've known people who juiced and they said they retained about 80% of the mass they'd built...So what happens to the muscle you've built up? It just gets reabsorbed by the body when you stop lifting??

I still have the chest I built in high school 18 years later... It's not as strong or as tone, but I've kept most of the mass.

 

[Digitalash]

Why does it even matter what happens when you stop lifting? You shouldn't. When people say they retained the mass they gained from juice its because they kept up with diet and training, otherwise it'll atrophy just like everyone else does

 

[_LG_]

1 gram trenbolone per week, forever. + Eat like shit and don't work out.= Miracle?

 

[colochine]

^ solid advice!

 

[lee111s]

Eat right and lift big. Best advice you'll ever hear.

 

[ANIMALHAUS]

You'd be surprised by the gains you could achieve with a proper diet and some time in the gym. Don't be a retard.

 

[msumuscle]

lol you weigh 154 pounds, don't lift weights, and you think you need juice? Personally, I get so angry seeing threads like this and people like you looking for the easy way out. Even though with your knowledge you probably won't have any success. Butttt, I'm going to play nice and give you some good advice. Create a solid lifting program and get your diet in check first of all. A good starting program could look like this, Mon-back & bis, Tuesday - Chest & Tris, Wednesday Off, Thursday- Legs, Friday - Shoulders and then take the weekend off. Diet, you need to be putting more calories in to your body than you're burning off. Find your maintenance calories and then add 500 to that to start. I like a 40/40/20 split when I'm trying to gain mass off gear. That means 40 percent calories come from protein, 40 from carbs, and 20 from fats. If you post another dumb thought, I won't be so nice.

 

[Digitalash]

lol you weigh 154 pounds, don't lift weights, and you think you need juice? Personally, I get so angry seeing threads like this and people like you looking for the easy way out. Even though with your knowledge you probably won't have any success. Butttt, I'm going to play nice and give you some good advice. Create a solid lifting program and get your diet in check first of all. A good starting program could look like this, Mon-back & bis, Tuesday - Chest & Tris, Wednesday Off, Thursday- Legs, Friday - Shoulders and then take the weekend off. Diet, you need to be putting more calories in to your body than you're burning off. Find your maintenance calories and then add 500 to that to start. I like a 40/40/20 split when I'm trying to gain mass off gear. That means 40 percent calories come from protein, 40 from carbs, and 20 from fats. If you post another dumb thought, I won't be so nice.

This. Also the "pisses me off" part, and not much does.

Eat more and lift weights for 2+ years, everyone here paid their dues before they touched juice. You can easily put on 20lbs your first year just by following a simple split routine incorporating all the compound exercises (bench, squat, deadlift, overhead press, row, pullup) and a few other isolation exercises. Eat a gram of protein per pound of bodyweigh, shouldn't be hard for you. Eat 500 calories over maintenance. It takes time, and again, you don't just cycle and then stop lifting. It doesn't work that way for natural guys or those who juice

 

[Omen]

Guess we could redefine roid rage as "the reaction to a new guy asking about steroid advice"

 

[heckler7]

Ok, thanks for the replies.

1) So what happens if you DON'T have a good base and start on a low dose of juice?

2) I've known people who juiced and they said they retained about 80% of the mass they'd built...So what happens to the muscle you've built up? It just gets reabsorbed by the body when you stop lifting??

I still have the chest I built in high school 18 years later... It's not as strong or as tone, but I've kept most of the mass.

how long have you been lifting? whats your diet like?

 

[westcoastrider]

You need to train hard (naturally) for a few years. You also need to get your diet down before attempting to start any cycle. Eat eat eat, train, train, train and you will see great results.

If you start too early, you will only injure yourself and mess yourself up.

 

[jimm]

 

[MidWest]

Mind Boggling...

 

[Digitalash]

Guess we could redefine roid rage as "the reaction to a new guy asking about steroid advice"

If he were new to gear it would be fine. This guy doesn't even workout, weighs a buck fifty at six foot, and is asking if he can cycle and then stop working out again and keep his gains. He is laziness personified, and obvioiusly no one here respects that.

 

[Calves of Steel]

Steroids don't make muscles. Training and diet do. Steroids help you build muscle faster or continue to grow past your genetic limits. Taking them now would do nothing for you. Your diet and training will be your limiting factors. Muscle is temporary, just like everything else. You have to exercise to maintain it. If you lost tone in your chest in the past 18 years, you lost muscle, regardless of its volume, it has less muscle. Taking steroids improperly can really mess you up.

 

[DAMIAN5000]

how long have you been lifting? whats your diet like?

I haven't lifted in many many years. I eat about 80-90% vegan. I get my protein from eating tons of vegetables, fermented soy and occasionally meat (twice a week or so).

I actually was 84 kilo 10 months back, but it was all garbage weight.... my fasting blood sugar was rising fast (approaching pre-diabetic).

I cut carbs by 80% (rice and noodles... try THAT in Thailand) and junk food by 80% (another difficult thing to do in Thailand... You think I'M unhealthy... you should see how these people eat..)

... lost about 12 kilo... I also cut my animal protein by at least 80% (this decision was a separate issue from blood sugar. It was based on the data from The China Study.)

My frame is small. I look skinny, but not emaciated or anything of the sort. I feel healthy. Plenty of energy and such.

 

[teezhay]

My frame is small. I look skinny, but not emaciated or anything of the sort. I feel healthy. Plenty of energy and such.

Good. All the more reason to get out, train, build quality dietary habits, and a good foundation of LBM. The bottom line is there's no point in you using steroids right now. If you want to get big fast, then the way you perceive heavy training is problematic. Bodybuilding is an on-going process, not a stretch of road leading to a destination with shortcuts along the way. That's why Mr. Olympia winners come back even bigger the following year; their mindset is one of constantly developing goals that never stop expanding.

Keep doing what you need to do in the gym and in the kitchen. It's good to read and learn about AAS along the way, but not with the intention of using them any time soon.

 

[jitbjake88]

vegan= faggot. gtfo the board.