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Skinny Tom Platz

Flex Injured! Mentzer found DEAD!

I orginally was finishing up my report on the real deal scoop on my "retirement," the health problems people say I have, what went down at the N.O.C., and whether or not I am even doing the 2001 Olympia.

But I ended up getting injured. What happened? Am I out of the Olympia for sure? I've created an updated report for you guys!

Check out my Media Blitz for all of the answers!

Legendary champion bodybuilder, Mike Mentzer, and his close brother, Ray, who is was also a great bodybuilder back in the day, are dead

It has been confirmed, guys. Mike Mentzer, perhaps the uncrowned 1980 Mr. Olympia and infamous industry personality, died in his sleep last Saturday on June 9, 2001.

Even more disturbing was the death of Ray Mentzer, Mike's only brother and roommate, who died only three days after finding his deceased brother. Yes, Ray was the one who found Mike.

This is very tragic, man. A lot of rumors are going around about this, like Mike allegedly being a closet alcoholic and this somehow lead to his demise, and then Ray allegedly committing suicide over the grief of Mike's death. I cannot confirm either of these allegations...don't know if I even want to.

I have been an acquaintance of Mike's for years. He used to do his personal training - always in the Heavy Duty style he made famous - where I train at Gold's Gym, Venice. I remember seeing pictures of Ray and perhaps even meeting him if my memory serves me right. They were almost identical twins. I found that kind of precious. If you have a brother, you have a partner for life, bro.

Upon hearing how Ray moved in to live with Mike, I was deeply touched by this. Mike had a few enemies and a ton of critics in this business, but he always told the truth as he saw it. He may have come across abrasive at times, but hey, you knew where the guy stood. I have to respect that. In a business full of crooks and liars, Mike was one in a million in a million ways.

I had heard Ray was in kidney failure, and Mike had some serious heart complications. I found it tender that they stuck by each other to the very end.

If Ray really did commit suicide, I hope God has forgiven him so he may join Mike (who himself did not believe in God), and the rest of their loved ones up in Heaven.

I wonder if we'll hear steroids being attributed to these two deaths? Whatever. I mean, while no one knows what long term steroid abuse will do in 15 years after you quit (and what Mike and Ray did back in the "old days" is nothing compared to what's done today, anyway), bodybuilders are not immune to the illnesses other people get. But, its hard to tell. Either way, all of us at Team Flex wish the best to Mike, Ray and his family and friends. He will be missed.

On a lighter note (if possible), check out our Prizes page to see the release of my new contest! Want to win a paid trip to the Arnold Classic and hang with me? Check it out, Master P!

Ahh, hell. I can't really get into promotional mode after what happened to the Mentzer's. You know what I mean? This is just a sad day for our community. Straight up, I pray some of Mike's "enemies," which the majority are made up of entities who dislike him because of his honesty (real reason to diss someone, eh?), let him rest in peace. It's hard to believe, but I bet some entity in our business is glad Mike is gone, and that makes me sick! Like he did something so bad? Leave the man be.

If you guys only knew, as Shawn Ray recently wrote, what lies beneath in this sport... I'll add to that by saying what lies beneath is home to only one "person," and this "person" has his evil grips on many players in this industry.

I'm out, man. I have to go. I've said my peace.

Later,

Ken
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According to this I was backwards, and it was within a mere 3 days.
 
I remember seeing Gary Strydom???? from the wrestling BB federation, they showed him in a mag a few years later, he was down to 160lbs.
 
As far as Tom Platz is concerned, yes that is him, and yes he is that small. I went to an ISSA seminar about a month ago that he taught, and that is what he looks like. :)

Tom has many injuries, mainly shoulders, and he can no longer lift heavy, not to mention he no longer uses drugs. He still wroks out, but from more of a fitness perspective. He and his wife run a personal training studio in California, and Tom trains pro bodybuilders, recently he trained Lee Priest.
 
In Loving Memory of Mike Mentzer

(November 15, 1951 - June 10, 2001
 
Mudge had it backward! Ray died over depression of Mike dying!!
 
Yep, I corrected myself after ;)
 
Originally posted by PB&J
I remember seeing Gary Strydom???? from the wrestling BB federation, they showed him in a mag a few years later, he was down to 160lbs.
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Wow, isn't he over 6 foot???
 
Originally posted by Mudge
Yep, I corrected myself after ;)
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Missed that!
 
I wonder if ALL that juice IS the reason for his and the afore mentioned champs' decline. IF it is I'm flushing the shit I got NOW. The Beckles comment is right on. I don't C how anyone is their 70's can use signigicant amts of juice and not suffer something. Anyone got a current pic of Beckles?
 
I haven't seen any pix of him till his mid 60s. Sergio is still big last I saw also.
 
Originally posted by SquatFreak
I wonder if ALL that juice IS the reason for his and the afore mentioned champs' decline. IF it is I'm flushing the shit I got NOW. The Beckles comment is right on. I don't C how anyone is their 70's can use signigicant amts of juice and not suffer something. Anyone got a current pic of Beckles?
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Flush it my way. lol

As for AS being the reason for the decline, i doubt it. But each situation is probably different. From a health standpoint, you cannot weigh close to 300 lbs for a long period of time and not suffer some effects. The body is not meant to carry that. But bodybuilders tend to be heavy users in other drug circles too. And yes, Sergio is still a big lad.
 
If you want to be 250-300 pounds for the rest of your life, its going to be hard on the heart IMO and that I believe as fact.

Steroids themselves I do not believe will hurt you unless you use high doses long term, in which case I have posted a couple studies on long term test use, in non HRT like doses. I absolutely believe there is such a thing as safe use, and it does not include being on year round for the rest of your life when you are starting out at the age of 20-30 as an example.

I do not believe pro bodybuilders or heavyweight national competitors are those we should look to if you are interested in longevity, if you want to carry an extra 30 pounds of meat or something thats different. If you want to bench 700 pounds for the rest of your life, thats well outside of human normality. In other words, I believe in moderation to an extent, just as marathon runners are not what I'd call healthy either.
 
I agree that there IS such a thing as safe use. NOT for bodybuilding purposes but rather a HRT reason. I also think that AAS use isn't a necessity to compete for everyone. Trevor Smith says he's natural and he's around 400lbs. If you ain't got it steroids damn sure ain't gonna give it to you.
 
I believe in safe recreational use, and I believe anyone 400 pounds is fat or not very solid without steroids.

Look at Anthony Clark and his 330 pound self, he is not natural either and he was not screwed genetically speaking and is 6 foot tall.

Any sports figure (wrestling included) is not going to come out and say they are juicing while they are still under contract, so I hardly give a hoot what he says. Hardly a pro bodybuilder will openly speak about it, and most of those that do are still going to sometimes lie about some things (Nasser El Sonbaty for example), and most of those that even talk about it dont live in the US.
 
Laterals with 150+ is pure madness.
 
"Trevor also has come to an understanding that there are many non-believers and lots of negative comments and gossip that the weights he uses are fake, that his bodyfat is 30%"
"Trevor's bodyweight in the pics and in the video was around 410lbs....somedays more...somedays less"

He doesn't look FAT to me, but he ain't ripped either. He also is a certified martial artist in a fairly hard form of it.
>http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/trevorsmithaa.jpg

I don't buy anything from him but he is bigger/stronger than any current Mr O competitor.
 
Muscle Gelz Transdermals
IronMag Labs Prohormones
But then again when I read of Ruhl tearing his tricep while doing flat benches w/ 260lbs I guess the Mr O comparison ain't saying much.
 
NPC guy I know on another board tore his chest and lat doing 225 on an incline, but the damage starts before that obviously.

He looks plenty fat to me, probably holding water like a buffalo too.

As for being bigger and stronger, thats a given in the soft shape he is in. The strongest incline presser that competes I had ever heard of was Kovacs, over 700 for reps according to "legend."
 
Gary Straydom- Is still a big SOB. He is over 6 feet. The guy is in shape. He owns a clothing company in Venice. I training with him a couple of times in Marina Del Rey, LA Fitness.

Tom, is in fact small now. Don't be fooled he is in great shape and on a different path now. I saw him a couple months back at a ISSA seminar. He is a class act. Aaron Baker was there. Now that guy in looking good.
 
Baker = Batman, I remember him.
 
So the statement saying Gary Strydom now weighs 160lbs is BS then?
 
Originally posted by SolidToTheCORE
Tom, is in fact small now. Don't be fooled he is in great shape and on a different path now. I saw him a couple months back at a ISSA seminar. He is a class act.
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Yup, I saw him at an ISSA seminar a few months ago as well. I would guess him at around 175lbs.
 
baker is doing super hero comics or something. he has a website. something like AaronBaker.com ...

I think Tom is about 175 maybe less...

And yes the article about Gary is BS.
 
Platz has always been a class act. I met him in the 80's when he was guest poser and a comp I did. He was a great guy. Thank gawd I met him before I met Arnold. Now there was a tool. lol
 
Re: Platz

Originally posted by scotty
Not only did his physique come out of a bottle, he forgot where the gym was????
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that is the most rediculous statement, and completely false.

To this day NO bodybuilder has a set of legs that match the level of freakish development that Platz had.

Furthermore, his training intensity was unbelievable. Of course he took drugs, every pro bodybuilder in history did and still does, so not sure why you would even bother saying that.

Nice first post on the board. :rolleyes:
 
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