SloppyJ's 1st Cycle.

[SloppyJ]

I think leg press is the most misused piece of equipment in any gym. I personally have never gotten much out of it even at 700lb+ executed correctly. I think you'd be better off adding front squats or replacing leg press with lunges. Lunges are a very under rated mass builder and IMO very integral to squat development.

I might agree with you. But my legs got very taxed from the 630lb today. I've noticed some development in different areas of my legs also.

What do you prefer, Barbell Lunges or DB lunges? I remember in football I used to HATE barbell lunges. I've never really tried DB lunges though. I think I should add these in though. Maybe I'll rotate every other week between leg press and lunges.

 

[The Prototype]

I think leg press is the most misused piece of equipment in any gym. I personally have never gotten much out of it even at 700lb+ executed correctly. I think you'd be better off adding front squats or replacing leg press with lunges. Lunges are a very under rated mass builder and IMO very integral to squat development.

I like the leg press but my chiro tells me it's absolutely horrible for your spine. It puts a lot of pressure on your disks. He said he's seen more injuries from people getting hurt on the leg press machine than any other exercise, which I find ironic. I would think most people would get injured from squats

 

[Life]

I prefer DB lunges, less strain on my back or at least it feels that way. Plus you don't have to re-rack the damn things, just let them fall. Unless you use straps like I do cause they're so fucking heavy. Do lunges for a while, watch your ass change

 

[The Prototype]

I might agree with you. But my legs got very taxed from the 630lb today. I've noticed some development in different areas of my legs also.

What do you prefer, Barbell Lunges or DB lunges? I remember in football I used to HATE barbell lunges. I've never really tried DB lunges though. I think I should add these in though. Maybe I'll rotate every other week between leg press and lunges.

I would start with low weight with the db lunges and work your way up. It's hard to keep your balance with heavier weight if you haven't done them before or in a long time. But you will def feel the burn after a few sets. I personally don't like to go heavy with legs. That's how I injured my back so I've been hesitant to really push my legs.

 

[Life]

If you're performing squats correctly you'd have trouble getting into a position to hurt yourself. With the leg press the machines aren't built to any standard, you'll see all types of variations. Generally all of the pressure is applied to one specific area of your lower back. You'll see the tops of people's backs come off as they push with their feet so ALL of the weight is now in that spot on your lower back. You can load a leg press to hell and back with plates and throw them around because its a machine. You can't with a squat rack. Well you can but that's what natural selection is for.

 

[SloppyJ]

I like the leg press but my chiro tells me it's absolutely horrible for your spine. It puts a lot of pressure on your disks. He said he's seen more injuries from people getting hurt on the leg press machine than any other exercise, which I find ironic. I would think most people would get injured from squats

I'm scared of those "Doctors" I know it's not true but I have a theroy that they fuck you up so you have to keep coming back.

I prefer DB lunges, less strain on my back or at least it feels that way. Plus you don't have to re-rack the damn things, just let them fall. Unless you use straps like I do cause they're so fucking heavy. Do lunges for a while, watch your ass change

Yeah I'll throw the versa gripps on for that.

 

[The Prototype]

If you're performing squats correctly you'd have trouble getting into a position to hurt yourself. With the leg press the machines aren't built to any standard, you'll see all types of variations. Generally all of the pressure is applied to one specific area of your lower back. You'll see the tops of people's backs come off as they push with their feet so ALL of the weight is now in that spot on your lower back. You can load a leg press to hell and back with plates and throw them around because its a machine. You can't with a squat rack. Well you can but that's what natural selection is for.

Yeah I injured myself doing squats b/c I was young and eager and tried to squat way too much weight. Plus, I wasn't wearing a belt and probably wasn't using correct form.

J, I've had back issues for a long time. My chiro is actually a really good friend of mine but it def helps me. Makes me feel much more relaxed and the muscles in my back aren't so tense from lifting, sitting at a desk all day, etc. Most people are skeptical but I personally like it.

 

[theCaptn']

I think leg press is the most misused piece of equipment in any gym. I personally have never gotten much out of it even at 700lb+ executed correctly. I think you'd be better off adding front squats or replacing leg press with lunges. Lunges are a very under rated mass builder and IMO very integral to squat development.

Agree with the lunges, and I prefer the hack squat to the leg press . . this may sound arse-about, but Ive found this leg routine a good fkg mass builder:

Squats - at least 2 warm-up sets (8-10 reps). 4 working sets (6-8 reps).

Hack squats - 3 sets

Leg Extentions - 3 sets

Walking lunges to finish - about 20 paces (3 sets).

All of this can generally be squeezed into 45 min, no need for any longer. My upper traps and rear delts are also fried pretty much after this as well

 

[SloppyJ]

What's a good weight to start for the DB lunges? I've never done them (DB) before. You guys have my poundage for my leg workout. What do you think?

 

[theCaptn']

What's a good weight to start for the DB lunges? I've never done them (DB) before. You guys have my poundage for my leg workout. What do you think?

might sound like a dumb answer, but whatever works! Just make sure you can hold you form properly - back straight, shoulders back etc

 

[TwisT]

For lunges, I take a 45 plate and hold it over my head and do a lap on the indoor track. You will die, and 1 lap = 1 set. Goodluck!

-T

 

[The Prototype]

What's a good weight to start for the DB lunges? I've never done them (DB) before. You guys have my poundage for my leg workout. What do you think?

I would start with a 25 lb db and work your way up. I know it's not a lot of weight but do a couple of warm up sets with it to get a feel for it and to get your balance. Once you feel like you can do it with good form, move your way up. If you try to start with the 75 lb db, you'll probably fall over or lose your balance. Make sure you go all the way down to where your rear knee almost touches the ground to get a full stretch. I personally like to take a long step. If you have a large enough area, you can just walk around the gym doing it. Otherwise you have to stay in small area and do one leg at a time.

 

[SloppyJ]

Cool thanks for the info guys. I remember doing them in the squat rack at school and we'd have to alternate legs. It was no bueno. Luckily there is a "track" around my gym so I can walk around doing lunges. I might do an exercise on each side of the gym and just lunge my big ass back and forth.

 

[Life]

I do two 55's but I started at 35's. TwisT is a fucking sadist but that shit he said is awesome for abs too. Look at his for example. TwisT how big is this fucking track? I do a set of 20: half way across the gym, turn around and back = 20 lunges. Like I said though I use straps most of the time and shouldn't, I just can't hold the damn things that long

 

[TwisT]

I do two 55's but I started at 35's. TwisT is a fucking sadist but that shit he said is awesome for abs too. Look at his for example. TwisT how big is this fucking track? I do a set of 20: half way across the gym, turn around and back = 20 lunges. Like I said though I use straps most of the time and shouldn't, I just can't hold the damn things that long

1/8th mile. Try it, you will cry.

-T

 

[SloppyJ]

1/8th mile. Try it, you will cry.

-T

Sweet Jeebus. That will turn boys to men.

Have you ever counted how many lunges you actually do?

 

[hackskii]

Well, it is all about stimulation in the end.
Squats and dead lifts boost testosterone levels, GH levels and stimulate the CNS.
This is good, and if the range is good, it works the whole body, even the core.
It is a natural exercise and to be honest the biggest legs I ever saw were guys that had a nice squat, not leg press, not extensions, but the squat.
Rep ranges will dictate hypertrophy depending on the person but the higher rep ranges tend to be more effective, with the exception of those guys that can fire all fibers when going heavy, but that isnt for the normal dude in the gym.
20 rep squats are killer, even work the diaphram, and will wind you no matter what.

Sprinters do squats, football players do squats, why?
Because it is the power out of the hole that matters in their sport.
Now granted this is bodybuilding but once the mass is there then the isolation exercises work well for seperation and isolation of lagging body parts.

Never seen a big squater with small legs.
Never seen a big dead lifter with a small back nor small traps.

Bro, if you focus on the lifts that matter and blow off the crap that doesnt, focusing on that that matters, better gains will ensue.

You can get condition too with stuff like clean and jerks, running stairs, etc.

HIIT, HIT, will get you into condition and you wont have to worry about the other fluff stuff.

Id like to comment more later on some stuff....lol....stuff....lol

 

[Life]

I think the leg press is good to go to if you are stalled on the squat due to quads. Do leg press til you max out then switch back to squats and build back up, you will have broken through the wall you had before. Aside from that and rehab I don't see the use.

Squats, Good mornings, Deadlifts, Pullthroughs, Bench, Dips, Rows, Military press, lunges. If you focus on those I guarrantee you will grow the fastest you have ever grown. I know from personal experience. I was indoctrinated into training like a body builder by my trainer at the time and I was stuck in that mentality for a year and a half. When I switched to focus on the big four (Squat, dead, military and bench press) I experienced gains at the same rate as when I first started. Just my $0.02

 

[The Prototype]

Some good info there by both Hack and Life

 

[hackskii]

The common denominator here is compound lifts.

Im gonna grab some more beers, hell, I think I am going outside to have a smoke...........Wife hates that due to the illegality of this............lol
Nevermind................Will be back for some opinionated crap that is in my head........lol

Happy hollidays in early disposition............lol

 

[SloppyJ]

^^ Hahaha

Damn yall have got me thinking about switching up my whole program here.

I guess the three days off at christmas I'll figure out what I want to do. It sounds badass though.

 

[SloppyJ]

Update:

Did pin #4 last night. I went with the glute and it felt MUCH better than any of the previous pins. This would only be the second time I've hit that muscle. I guess my muscles are getting used to it. So that's good news.

I took yesterday off. My whole schedule got messed up by a random drug test we had to take at work. Wow that was stressful. Good thing I had a plan.

Today I did chest. I've been thinking about what you guys have been saying and I stuck to 4 exercises and got in and out of the gym. I did flat barbell bench, Cable flys, Decline Dumbell and the incline machine.

I went heavier than normal on everything and the chest pumps I got today were some of the best I've ever had. The cable fly's got the blood flowing. On my last working set of flat bench I did 245x5. This is the heaviest I've ever done. I think I could have gone heavier too.

Weight is at 213 after my workout. I'm looking better overall with more definition than before. I'm also more vascular. I upped the Adex to .25 every morning because on the EOD schedule I noticed my nips felt weird on the day I didn't take it. I think I'd rather be safe than sorry here.

Tomorrow is back and light bi work then I'm taking 3days off for xmas. I'm sure I'll have no problem meeting my calorie goals. I plan to resume workouts on Monday.

 

[bccs]

Bro, I wouldn't be worried about the drug test (at least if the only illegal thing in your system is the juice). I really looked into this before starting my cycle and the 5 and 10 panel screen most places use don't include any steroids.

 

[Hell]

Hell yea man!!

 

[SloppyJ]

Oh im not worried about the gear.......

 

[SloppyJ]

Time for an update....


Got the holidays over with and had a great time. But now it's back to the training. I did a pin on saturday morning in my quad, yes after Santa got there. I didn't push a drop out of the tip and I didn't have the burn that I've been experiencing.

I took three days off and finally got to hit the gym today with my buddy. I decided to do a different workout this week. 3 days lifting 3 cardio and abs and 1 day off. I decided to do this because I was fearing that I was over training. This way I can get more cardio in and rest. I noticed that I felt better with the rest this weekend.

Weight is up to 216. Waist is just a tad smaller. Muscles feel awesome. I believe the test is starting to kick in. I had some very different feeling pumps today. They were incredible. My skin is more oily and I'm starting to get some pimples on my face. My hair is starting to thin in places also. I'm plateau'd out on strength increase since last time on bench. My tri's were stronger however.

I also decided to go with the winny at the end of the cycle. These cute little yellow things are just begging to be ate. I'm debating between 4, 5, and 6 weeks.

 

[The Prototype]

6 weeks fo sho! You'll love them. I know I did. how many days since your first pin? You'll know when the test kicks in. It's hard not to bc you'll feel your hormones changing. Is your libido up at all? How much did you gain with the dbol? When my test kicked in, I had a couple if small break outs on my face and it seemed like my hair was falling out. But the breakouts on my face may have been from me using body lotion on my face bc that's all I had at that time. Now I've been getting acne on my back, shoulders, and a little on chest. But I started accutane and using an anti bacterial soap which appears to have worked. You're only a few weeks in. Wait until week 6-7 and you'll feel a big difference. Jacked 24/7. But I felt the test kicking in in 10 days and slowly got stronger each week. Good work. Keep us posted bro.

 

[SloppyJ]

6 weeks fo sho! You'll love them. I know I did. how many days since your first pin? You'll know when the test kicks in. It's hard not to bc you'll feel your hormones changing. Is your libido up at all? How much did you gain with the dbol? When my test kicked in, I had a couple if small break outs on my face and it seemed like my hair was falling out. But the breakouts on my face may have been from me using body lotion on my face bc that's all I had at that time. Now I've been getting acne on my back, shoulders, and a little on chest. But I started accutane and using an anti bacterial soap which appears to have worked. You're only a few weeks in. Wait until week 6-7 and you'll feel a big difference. Jacked 24/7. But I felt the test kicking in in 10 days and slowly got stronger each week. Good work. Keep us posted bro.

It's been 16 days. I know it's not in full swing yet but something's happening. And I was going to say that it could just be the dbol going crazy. I'm about to finish out on 40mg for the rest of the week and bump it to 50mg cause that's what my new dbol is.

So far I'm going to say 12 pounds because I remember the scale getting down to 204 before it started going back up. Yes my libido is up, not that I get boners more often, but I think about rape fucking every hot girl that I pass in even more depth than I did before. I mean like tit's hitting me in the face and pulling hair..... okay we'll just say yes.

Either way, I'm having fun and training harder then I ever have with results to show for it. I have noticed I'm in a better mood overall too. Even on cardio days.

 

[The Prototype]

When your test kicks in you'll be spending a lot more time in the hot chick forum. I swear I always get side tracked. I'm trying to go to the anabolic section and see a hot chick. She's so hot I just can't pass without taking a look. Then fifty more pics of hot chicks come up. Next thing I know it's been 15 min. That Jamie Eason is unbelievable! When the test kicks in, there's a good chance you may become a sexual predator bc you'll be wanting to bang every girl you look at. At the super market, gas station, work, driving down the road, bars, etc. You're so damn horny, the typical 5 is suddenly an 8-9 and most def bangable. Roids are good for ugly chicks bc I'm sure they get banged a lot more. Kinda like beer but instead of getting beer goggles, you get test goggles and want to bang everyone. Good thing I have a girl. She's enjoying the extra attention she's getting. I just tell her it's from the ambien lol.

 

[SloppyJ]

You're doing it wrong golfer! Youre supposed to tell her the ambien is why you fall asleep right afterwards! But yes I have been noticing my recent urge to bang anything with a vag. Well I guess the urge is more than normal.

I even had a pimple on the backside of my head this morning? WTF? It's not a bad problem but I'm going to start washing my face more often.