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Stephen Hawking: There is no heaven; it's a fairy story

he's a physicist so he doesn't know the neurophysiology research showing massive amounts of light emmission from the brain at the moment of death.

If those light waves are the last convulsive electromagnetic emmission of our memories, as a physicist he should know that special relativity says that time will dilate to infinity when something reaches the speed of light. There may be no heaven but special relativity and quantum mechanics does allow for an afterlife consisting of our memories captured in photons of light in an infinite loop. Thus, people like me with great lives , it will be heaven, the poor blokes trapped in child slavery etc. what a miserable existance, and makes human suffering much more intolerable.

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I wonder when the last time hawking got a boner or had his dick sucked. Probably decades. Of course he doesnt believe in heaven, his life is a living hell.
 
You're 100% correct. It's not like there aren't groups trying to force their beliefs on religious organizations. Or organizations of theists trying to push their agenda against religious organizations.

Yeah, only religious people get upset about stuff like that. :shrug:

Atheists get upset when the religious try to foist their beliefs on others, not at the idea of people believing in monotheism. Many atheists are very tolerant, spiritual people.

Core atheists like myself simply believe in no gods of any kind. The fact that I believe the propagation of religion is both dangerous and deleterious to humanity in many cases is only proven by the actions of many religious people who use religion to justify tremendous violence and destruction in the world. Religion is not just the opiate of the masses, but sadly often a justification for overt destruction and hate. I am a card-carrying member of the American Atheist movement, and I believe strongly that the movement has done a lot of good for this country.
 
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I wonder when the last time hawking got a boner or had his dick sucked. Probably decades. Of course he doesnt believe in heaven, his life is a living hell.

His life is a living hell.

But you'd think that would make him a "believer".

No... I don't think his life situation is why he feels the way he does.
He just can't argue against his own natural logic.
 
Atheists get upset when the religious try to foist their beliefs on others, not at the idea of people believing in monotheism. Many atheists are very tolerant, spiritual people.

Core atheists like myself simply believe in no gods of any kind. The fact that I believe the propagation of religion is both dangerous and deleterious to humanity in many cases is only proven by the actions of many religious people who use religion to justify tremendous violence and destruction in the world. Religion is not just the opiate of the masses, but sadly often a justification for overt destruction and hate.

Exactrree.
 
Atheists get upset when the religious try to foist their beliefs on others, not at the idea of people believing in monotheism. Many atheists are very tolerant, spiritual people.

Core atheists like myself simply believe in no gods of any kind. The fact that I believe the propagation of religion is both dangerous and deleterious to humanity in many cases is only proven by the actions of many religious people who use religion to justify tremendous violence and destruction in the world. Religion is not just the opiate of the masses, but sadly often a justification for overt destruction and hate.

Oh, so your group is full of "tolerant, spiritual people", but the other group is
"dangerous and deleterious to humanity".

Go it.

Never mind that the greatest killers of the 20th century were atheists.

Right.
 
Shouldnt you be patrolling the border in your pick up, jasper?
 
Oh, so your group is full of "tolerant, spiritual people", but the other group is
"dangerous and deleterious to humanity".

Go it.

Never mind that the greatest killers of the 20th century were atheists.

Right.

More people have been killed and maimed in the name of religion than anything else in human history. I didn't say that religious people were all dangerous to humanity. Some are productive members of society, and very nice, well-meaning people. Pretty much my entire family falls into this category. But if you look at the lunatic fringe connected to religion, they do far more harm than good.
 
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Anyone else believe that to some degree humanity's downfall is knowledge? We come to believe so strongly in what we can see, touch, feel, and understand that we forget we don't know squat. Relatively speaking of course.

Bandaidwoman's approach is much more interesting a topic than "he does or does not".
 
KelJu anotha tuff guy huh...pass on thru and we see how tuff u talk in person

Actually, Kelju IS a tough guy mixed in with a bit of crazy while still remaining cool.

People can have differences of opinion. Plus in a forum where text conveys thought. Proper use of it would seem imperative.
 
im a writing a paper for my college class ...i write my own version shorthand on the computer is that alright with you, do i have your permission ...i dont need to fukin spell chek here if u can read it then job is fukin done cunt ....man i cant believe how many lil cunts are on this board these are the same lil cock suckers who blow their sources balls on the source forum ...these are the guys in the gym gettin huge and doin juice ...it cant b i just cant believe it ...or are these the lil pussies tellin mne to keep it down in the gym and please dont drop the waits ..this fukin thread brought so many lil ball sniffin lil whinny bitches out from under their gym towel ...go back to ur book while im busy gettin huge and bangin ur gf and all other politicly correct lil pussies like u
 
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More people have been killed and maimed in the name of religion than anything else in human history. I didn't say that religious people were all dangerous to humanity. Some are productive members of society, and very nice, well-meaning people. Pretty much my entire family falls into this category. But if you look at the lunatic fringe connected to religion, they do far more harm than good.

I can agree that the lunatic fringe is good for no one.

And, based on simple statistics, I'll also agree that religious people have killed more people for the simple fact that for the last 6 to 10 thousands years there have been more religious people.

However, believing that atheists are less prone to killing is a logical fallacy. That's like the belief that woman are less prone to abusing power than men. Which in obstinately true in absolute numbers, but falls apart when you consider that women have only been allowed to have power for a short time; and when you check the per-capita numbers, the belief is clearly wrong.
 
im a writing a paper for my college class ...i write my own version shorthand on the computer is that alright with you, do i have your permission ...i dont need to fukin spell chek here if u can read it then job is fukin done cunt ....man i cant believe how many lil cunts are on this board these are the same lil cock suckers who blow their sources balls on the source forum ...these are the guys in the gym gettin huge and doin juice ...it cant b i just cant believe it ...or are these the lil pussies tellin mne to keep it down in the gym and please dont drop the waits ..this fukin thread brought so many lil ball sniffin lil whinny bitches out from under their gym towel ...


I disagree.
 
im a writing a paper for my college class ...i write my own version shorthand on the computer is that alright with you, do i have your permission ...i dont need to fukin spell chek here if u can read it then job is fukin done cunt ....

If you want people to acknowledge your opinion then yes, you do have to spell check and use correct punctuation.

You should also save the word cunt for special occasions, this is not one of them.
 
im a writing a paper for my college class ...i write my own version shorthand on the computer is that alright with you, do i have your permission ...i dont need to fukin spell chek here if u can read it then job is fukin done cunt ....man i cant believe how many lil cunts are on this board these are the same lil cock suckers who blow their sources balls on the source forum ...these are the guys in the gym gettin huge and doin juice ...it cant b i just cant believe it ...or are these the lil pussies tellin mne to keep it down in the gym and please dont drop the waits ..this fukin thread brought so many lil ball sniffin lil whinny bitches out from under their gym towel ...


You drop the weights too? :doh:
 
listen i dont have the patience or tolarence to sit here and b attacked and b kool bout it...if any of u guys who took this to anotha levle and made personal remarks to me i garuntee u wouldnt do it in person so im askin real nice for my benifet because like i said i cant handle it even if it is just comp bs im not capable of keepin my kool...please enuff wit tuff guy words please ....who the fuk does that , what kind of real man wants to b tuff only on the comp...i def dont but i cant sit here and not respond its not in my nature please already b tuff in person and not on the comp cause in the end im the only 1 who gonna lose cause im gonna threatin everybody and continue to lose my kool and eventaully get banned cause i wont let it go ....so as long as its just on the comp i give up and u who personally attacked me win....im sry u win, u got me u are the man
 
listen i dont have the patience or tolarence to sit here and b attacked and b kool bout it...if any of u guys who took this to anotha levle and made personal remarks to me i garuntee u wouldnt do it in person so im askin real nice for my benifet because like i said i cant handle it even if it is just comp bs im not capable of keepin my kool...please enuff wit tuff guy words please ....who the fuk does that , what kind of real man wants to b tuff only on the comp...i def dont but i cant sit here and not respond its not in my nature please already b tuff in person and not on the comp cause in the end im the only 1 who gonna lose cause im gonna threatin everybody and continue to lose my kool and eventaully get banned cause i wont let it go ....so as long as its just on the comp i give up and u who personally attacked me win....im sry u win, u got me u are the man

Your writing makes me want to be an atheist. With that sort of grammar, there can be no god.



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its my comp typing ...if i were to type with all correct spelling and periods and grammer i would b here for an hour...i was busy cutting class during computer lessons ...if u can understand it then its good enough for me. i type with 2 fingers only not the way i was taught but i dont sit on the computer for a living so what difference does it make
 
its my comp typing ...if i were to type with all correct spelling and periods and grammer i would b here for an hour...i was busy cutting class during computer lessons ...if u can understand it then its good enough for me. i type with 2 fingers only not the way i was taught but i dont sit on the computer for a living so what difference does it make

It matters because on the Internet what you say and how you say it is all that you are.

What we say can be debated as to its merits or truthfulness, but there is no debating the failure that is poor grammar. Does it mean that every post must get an A+ from an English teacher? No, but it does mean that you should put forth at least a modicum of effort.

Poor grammar is the Internet equivalent of being a wigger and going to a wine tasting. There will indeed be a whole lot of spitting.
 
listen i dont have the patience or tolarence to sit here and b attacked and b kool bout it...if any of u guys who took this to anotha levle and made personal remarks to me i garuntee u wouldnt do it in person so im askin real nice for my benifet because like i said i cant handle it even if it is just comp bs im not capable of keepin my kool...please enuff wit tuff guy words please ....who the fuk does that , what kind of real man wants to b tuff only on the comp...i def dont but i cant sit here and not respond its not in my nature please already b tuff in person and not on the comp cause in the end im the only 1 who gonna lose cause im gonna threatin everybody and continue to lose my kool and eventaully get banned cause i wont let it go ....so as long as its just on the comp i give up and u who personally attacked me win....im sry u win, u got me u are the man

its my comp typing ...if i were to type with all correct spelling and periods and grammer i would b here for an hour...i was busy cutting class during computer lessons ...if u can understand it then its good enough for me. i type with 2 fingers only not the way i was taught but i dont sit on the computer for a living so what difference does it make

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lol ^^^ That's how I learnt to touch type. I can still head the audio in my head now, 'dip your right pinky in the yellow pot of paint, now dip your left pinky in the orange pot of paint'.

Can knock it too much though, shit works.
 
that is like me saying Unicorns exist, and you cannot prove they don't.

No it's not. But it could be like, unicorns might exist because we can't prove they don't. Even though, it is apples and oranges.

Unicorns would be some sort of terrain mammal, something we could search for. It would be something on the surface of our planet, something palpable, something physical.

Death and what may be beyond death cannot be quantified or recorded in anyway. Completely different. People who die cannot come back and tell us what happened. However, there has been anecdotal evidence of similar phenomena occurring when people have near death experiences or people who are resuscitated. This is not proof, but it is something to consider.

Hawking is awesome, but he has no proof that there is nothing beyond death. He is ignoring science in these statements. One could say Hawking is oversimplifying what happens when a human dies for his own comfort. Maybe he doesn't want to consider the possibilities. Whatever.

I am a very evidence based person, and I think it is important to be skeptical. Hawkings claims are arrogant, in my opinion.
 
I can agree that the lunatic fringe is good for no one.

And, based on simple statistics, I'll also agree that religious people have killed more people for the simple fact that for the last 6 to 10 thousands years there have been more religious people.

However, believing that atheists are less prone to killing is a logical fallacy. That's like the belief that woman are less prone to abusing power than men. Which in obstinately true in absolute numbers, but falls apart when you consider that women have only been allowed to have power for a short time; and when you check the per-capita numbers, the belief is clearly wrong.

I agree that being Atheist is no guarantee of being non-violent. Crazy people of every ilk. Also that there are far more religious people than Atheist. My point was just that more violence has happened throughout history in the name of religion. If someone broke into our condo and threatened my wife or myself, I would definitely use extreme violence to prevent that from happening. One of the reasons I go to the gun range fairly frequently. I have no problem with violence if it is justified. I guess the problem for some comes in determining what is or isn't justifiable. Lot of very confused folks out there.
 
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He is basically saying that heaven is a manmade concept. All life on this planet originated from single celled organisms almost 4 billion years ago. This isn't a theory in the hypothesis sense, it's a fact.
At what stage during the evolutionary process did our invisible God (whichever one you were indoctinated into believing in) implant a soul into our bodies and what makes humans so special? Every species is good at what they do and thinking happens to be our survival mechanism. We didn't just evolve from primates, we are primates and I think that's pretty cool. God is much more creative than you give her credit for.
The only reason to believe there is such thing as heaven or hell is because it's written in the bible, a book that is clearly based on fiction. To debate this fact should put any christian is a state of embarrassment.

What humans have discovered about the nature of reality belittles all scriptures yet for some reason a good majority of the the human race continue to believe myth and superstition over logic and reason. Ironically, it is the U.S. in particular who seem to be absorbed in all forms of Christianity.
The rest of the western world is dropping Christianity like a hot rock due to new information. They haven't moved onto a different religion, they just have the ability to admit that there is more answers than questions and that someday we will know more.

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he's a physicist so he doesn't know the neurophysiology research showing massive amounts of light emmission from the brain at the moment of death.

If those light waves are the last convulsive electromagnetic emmission of our memories, as a physicist he should know that special relativity says that time will dilate to infinity when something reaches the speed of light. There may be no heaven but special relativity and quantum mechanics does allow for an afterlife consisting of our memories captured in photons of light in an infinite loop. Thus, people like me with great lives , it will be heaven, the poor blokes trapped in child slavery etc. what a miserable existance, and makes human suffering much more intolerable.

Yeah, but are those lights as bright as Rudolph the Rednose Reindeer's nose? :geewhiz:
 
Hawking has examined the physical sciences at a level that only a hand full of men in history have. He feels he can explain mostly anything without invoking the existence of God. God is not necessary to explain the workings of the universe. Therefore the likelihood of his existence is small. Then Steven examines the works that many religious men do in the name of their god and there is little evidence that these acts are for anything but self interest. Again there is no reason to invoke the existence of god. Therefore the likelihood of the existence of a god is small.

this.
 
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