Straps are for wusses

[Luke95]

how weak of mind people who use straps are and how big a wusses they are.

You've taken this way out of context... and your extreme deffensiveness is humorously telling.

Please keep going.


I'm gonna requote my last statement because it is at the route of everything.

Duncan,

Consider your own contrapositive.

You are suggesting that the grip strength is stronger than that of the mind. Could we say this is 'utterly false'?

Consider that your mind (not just what you think you can do... that's just where the chemical cassades progagate from) controls everything.

You know in Thai land, many people without legs who need wheelchairs do not have them. They literally crawl on the ground.

Now consider the 'wheelchair' equal to the 'strapps'

Obviously, one of the two people has a much harder life. Which of the two will have the stronger mind?


As long as I still have my own hands, I'll let me grip fail first. I'll keep working on that. I'm not calling anybody a wuss for real. A lot of people need to think about what they do though.

 

[Duncans Donuts]

Duncan,
You are suggesting that the grip strength is stronger than that of the mind. Could we say this is 'utterly false'?

Consider that your mind (not just what you think you can do... that's just where the chemical cassades progagate from) controls everything.

I am looking at it in simple terms. I am saying, "If the grip strength is able to provide a certain amount of force, and the level of that force is less than that of the back, straps will improve the force directed to the agonist muscle groups". And I am saying that given that value of force (whatever it may be), it will not be possible to overcome that force limitation exclusively through mental will power.

My wheelchair analogy was to point out that, despite the mind "controlling everything", it can't go outside laws of physics. That limitation, whether we can gauge it or not , is REAL.

 

[Duncans Donuts]

Seriously. If you can't hold onto the weight, you've got no damn business picking it up. Quit standind in front of the mirror adjusting your straps before you pretend to work out.

Idiots.

Out of context?

 

[Luke95]

Out of context?

Read post #113 and then tell me if I was talking about you or Ronnie Coleman.

Don't forget to breathe in the mean time.

 

[Duncans Donuts]

You've taken this way out of context... and your extreme deffensiveness is humorously telling.

Please keep going.


I'm gonna requote my last statement because it is at the route of everything.



You know in Thai land, many people without legs who need wheelchairs do not have them. They literally crawl on the ground.

Now consider the 'wheelchair' equal to the 'strapps'

You've missed the point of my analogy. I was pointing out how the mind is limited by physics and physical limitations.

 

[Luke95]

And you missed my point(s).


The mind isn't limited by anything.

 

[Duncans Donuts]

So you are arguing that everything in the universe is set into motion because of it's surroundings (pysiology)... and that there is no free will.

 

[Duncans Donuts]

And you missed my point(s).


The mind isn't limited by anything.

I admire that philosophy in some ways, but I disagree. Don't take me as being into reductionism or anything, though.

 

[Luke95]

Edited....

I didn't expect you to understand the gravity of your statement

 

[Luke95]

I admire that philosophy in some ways, but I disagree. Don't take me as being into reductionism or anything, though.

You can reduce yourself all you want buddy. I wont stop you. Cheers

 

[Duncans Donuts]

Edited....

I didn't expect you to understand the gravity of your statement anyway

http://changingminds.org/disciplines/argument/fallacies/red_herring.htm

 

[Luke95]

http://changingminds.org/disciplines/argument/fallacies/red_herring.htm

You know... there is a stage that babies go through early on where if something is out of site, they beleive it doesn't exist anymore.

If you don't understand the connection between X and Y, that doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

 

[Luke95]

I just wanted to point out the HUGE irony of this discussion.

Duncan's Sig

"This most beautiful system of the sun, planets and comets, could only proceed from the counsel and dominion of an intelligent and powerful Being." -Isaac Newton.

My Sig-

"Nothing can't come from nothing......"
-Gammow

My sig is a quote in refrence to the birth of the universe.


for real Duncan, Cheers.

 

[Duncans Donuts]

You know... there is a stage that babies go through early on where if something is out of site, they beleive it doesn't exist anymore.

If you don't understand the connection between X and Y, that doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

Attack the Person

Your argument: mind beats all.
My argument: mind limited.

Keep training with that thought, you'll probably do very well with it, honestly.

 

[Duncans Donuts]

I don't deify the mind, that doesn't mean I have contradictions in my philosophy.

 

[viet_jon]

Attack the Person

Your argument: mind beats all.
My argument: mind limited.

Keep training with that thought, you'll probably do very well with it, honestly.

...........nice link!!!

 

[viet_jon]

I dont know about you guys but, I am in the gym to push myself. I am in there purely for the stress relief. I don't care what gives first (it usually isn't my grip on any of the lifts that I do.....).

I just want to make sure that it isn't my mind that gives up first.

Having a band aide like strapps, NH3, baby powder...... just using them is like giving up on the strength of your mind.

I guess my goals (mentally) in the gym are different than the majority.
But if you use gloves, you're a REAL sissy.

I work out for the same reasons........

some days I hit the gym.....and for some reason....I just don't have that push in me. I do a crappy workout, then leave feeling angry at myself.

so was it my body/muscles that were fatigued, which resulted in a crappy workout? No.....absolutely not. The crappy workout was from lack of concentration, wandering mindstate, and a weak will.


now back to topic......

straps aren't for pussy's. Some professionals have clearly stated why in this thread..........there's not much of an argument anymore.

 

[Luke95]

I don't deify the mind, that doesn't mean I have contradictions in my philosophy.

It goes deeper than that. I wouldn't get too philosophical on you if I didn't start this thread and owe an explanation to people/ideas that I may have offended. (Obviously struck a chord in you)


I know the mind is at the root of everything. I can tell you this from first hand experience. I am slowly losing my mind.... and I can feel 'everything' shifting.

I see things differently than most people (very very differently). People that remember me from the past will tell you that I've always been weird. Everything has progressively gotten weirder until about last Christmas when I saw a doctor.

Originally they said Schizophrenia. I was on some meds for a while that did some things in my mind that when I saw them change.... I realized that I had more power/ability than I ever thought. Sometimes you don't realize where you stand until you start to shift. (Kind???ve like Einstein's relativity... you don't have an unbiased reference point or observer [clock] to tell you where you are always standing.)

My lifts in the gym have literally DOUBLED in a period of 2-3 months.

I ran into some problems a couple weeks ago and was forced to see a different doc. Right now we're ruling out brain tumors and Seizures. In the mean time, I had to be taken off this medications that made such a difference in my lifts (probably from lowered glucocorticoid levels in general).

I still have 100% of my strength. In fact, I'm getting stronger. I am completely attributing it to the fact that I KNOW what I can do. So naturally.... I am a huge proponent of the mind. In fact, I am a beleiver in Solipsism.

I also know what everybody else can do! I know that most people are capable of SO MUCH damn more than what they are doing right now! (Especially me)

NOBODY is a wuss.... PERIOD.

• This thread was genuinely started out of rage. If I could just wake up one or two people to what they can do then it worked.
  
  I started this thread over at Bodybuilding Health & Fitness Forum - Iron for Life - Powered By vBindex and got banned 3 times in the process. It was worth it though. I got a 'thank you' for a two members over there.
  
  
  
• This thread isn't about straps. Figure out what this thread is for yourself.

Keep training with that thought, you'll probably do very well with it, honestly.

Hopefully I'll run into you in a couple years.

 

[CowPimp]

Okay, I'm going to settle this thread once and for all:

My penis is bigger than everyone else's.

 

[viet_jon]

[*]This thread isn't about straps. Figure out what this thread is for yourself. [/LIST]

Thread Title: Straps are for wusses

first post:

Seriously. If you can't hold onto the weight, you've got no damn business picking it up. Quit standind in front of the mirror adjusting your straps before you pretend to work out.

Idiots.

 

[Pianomahnn]

straps aren't for pussy's. Some professionals have clearly stated why in this thread..........there's not much of an argument anymore.

Every "professional" claim can be debated by another professional.

I am a professional pussy identifier. I've identified users of straps as pussies.

OMGZ I LAUGH

 

[AKIRA]

I cant believe this shit is still going on. At least its more on topic than what I was discussing..