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oh my, that hit a weak spot....
delt with it many times in my life. a couple of my buddies dads killed themselves and I know a couple of younger people who did also. all of the younger people that I know were wacking out on crystal meth.
personally I think it's a huge cop out if you aren't terminal. but my view is severely biased after seeing all sorts of shit in the military.
personally I think it's a huge cop out if you aren't terminal. but my view is severely biased after seeing all sorts of shit in the military.
Suicide should not even be an option unless there's dire circumstances.
People who kill themselves don't realize that they aren't just hurting themselves, but all their friends and family as well.
People who kill themselves don't realize that they aren't just hurting themselves, but all their friends and family as well.
Flex said:
I agree.
Yes. Last year I was in rehab.PreMier said:
PreMier said:
well, that's sad. it's too bad people's lives come to that point.
But it's also those people who take their very life and all the things they have for granted.
Tell a starving, sick child in Africa that you're depressed. Then see how sorry you feel for yourself.
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Depression is a chemical imbalance most of the time. Were not talking about something that you can just change on a whim. People in Africa are none of my concern, so what makes you think a depressed AND suicidal person would care?
There is a lot of ignorance on the suicide subject IMO.
There is a lot of ignorance on the suicide subject IMO.
PreMier said:
I ain't be no ignant foo! I actually took a class death, dying and bereavement, and we covered suicide in great depth.
Chemical imbalance or not, IMO it's a state of mind. Yes, you can't just chance it on a whim. But people who are "depressed", and who commit suicide, do so b/c 1. they think they have hit rock bottom and there's no other alternative, and 2. they have/had a negative outlook on life
My point about the African child is that people, more specifically those who are "depressed" AND suicidal, are often those who just feel sorry for themselves, when there's people (African child) who have it MUCH worse than they do, but they continue to value every single thing they got.
Bro, there's one thing on earth that can change your entire life......attitude.
Especially with older people. They think you need to just " stop feeling sorry for yourself."PreMier said:
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Flex said:
I just meant in general
If I meant you, I would have said Flex, you ignorant fuck! hahaha Hmm.. It is a state of mind, but sometimes it cant be helped by changing just your attitude. I mean sometimes I get depressed for no reason at all, and I dont feel like doing anything but sitting in my house. Someone that is honestly suicidal has problems though, and untill you've been there, you wont know what its like. My best friend when I was younger, hung himself in his garage. When his mother came home, he was hanging there.. Thats some sad fucked up shit. Me and a few others believe he did it, due to pressure from his parents "To ammount to something great".
Your right, attitude is everything.. but you cant change the chemical balance in your brain by thinking about it.
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Chemical imbalances are an overused excuse IMO.
there's a difference b/w you not feeling like doing anything while home and being "clinically depressed". Sure, sometimes people just have the blues, that happens to everyone, some more often than others.
But dude, that has little to do with chemical imbalances. I think everyone just jumps on teh "i have fucked up chemical balances" b/c honestly, i think people just have poor attitudes. For instance, there was this kid in the beginnign of the school year who was a lunatic. I mean, this kid would get sent to the IS room (for troublemakers), and he was OFF the wall. He'd always see "i didn't take my meds i didn't take my meds", thus attempting to justify his behavior. Well, one day, i called him out on it right in front of the class. I said "do you just not get any attention at home, is that why you act the way you do?. then i took him aside and pretty much laid it out for him. i said, "listen, you CHOOSE to act the way you do yadda yadda." From that point on, meds or no meds, he NEVER gave me a hard time again.
my point was, before i started rambling, was that people often look for justification as to why they feel or do certian things. So when people feel down, they MUST be depressed, thus they MSUT have a chemical imbalance, thus they MSUT need meds to fixt it. IMO it's all just not seeing the glass half full,and taking what you DO have for granted.
my .02
Is suicide, suicide or is living life knowing you're eventually going to die suicide?
PreMier said:
Yes, I do - tried and failed at 18... and you are right Jake, you are not thinking in any normal, rational sense, I wasn't even emotional - just numb.
Yes, suicide is a cop out, no denying that... but when you are in that place you really don't give too much of a shit about being a quitter, you just want it all to stop.
I was extremely lucky and came very close to succeeding - thankfully for me that was the turning point in my life, I often wonder how many people missed being lucky in their attempt, who succeeded and never got the chance to turn things around.
I look back now and say thank fuck I failed... what a wonderful life I would have missed.
BritChick said:
I'm happy you failed, too
That's the thing, people don't realize that we only have 1 life to live, and it's VERY short. People seem to also forget that death is permanent, there's NO turning back.
So why not just live your life. You don't have a 2nd chance, this is it, folks. Whether you are 100% happy or 100% down look at it like this: at least you're alive.
This is rough, just reading about this...I (my wife and I) lost one of our best friends on October 16th 04... Young kid, 22, had carreer, looks, family support(he was gay), friends, finances in order....But something kept driving him to self destruction, throughout his life... He displayed anorexic behaviours in his teens, self mutilation, drunk driving, unprotected sex, with multiple partners, drug use/abuse chronic lying, and so on...When we discussed some of these issues with him, he just laughed, as if everything was always alright!!He hit one "point of no return" with us when his lies and actions were destructive to our family, and work relations, as I used to and my spouse worked with him...we distanced ourselves in August...I regret it dearly! His mum says he never stopped talking about us, as if we still hung out together...But sometimes slipped and said he missed us! Truly lived in his depressed, dellusional mind...
He lived with his folks and had a recent boyfriend...They had a fight at a club on friday nite, he left in a drunken rage, in his car of course, got home, went inside, erased all traces of his sexual affairs and such form his emails, Im guessing to save heartache for his parents, put all his car, insurance etc papers together on his desk, walked to the garage, placed his cell phone in his shoes on the floor and hung himself. He was found on Sunday morning, by his father, who actualy went there to check on him as they felt something was wrong! He had tried previously, as we gfound tubing in his car and duct tape leftovers on his exhaust pipe...
All this to say, that its really a combination of depression(chemical imbalances) and state of mind...He had been fucked up forever, and was harming himself, slowly self destroying, but something that nite, some crazy state of mind,. feeling, attitude, drove him to do it...
I miss him very very much!
He lived with his folks and had a recent boyfriend...They had a fight at a club on friday nite, he left in a drunken rage, in his car of course, got home, went inside, erased all traces of his sexual affairs and such form his emails, Im guessing to save heartache for his parents, put all his car, insurance etc papers together on his desk, walked to the garage, placed his cell phone in his shoes on the floor and hung himself. He was found on Sunday morning, by his father, who actualy went there to check on him as they felt something was wrong! He had tried previously, as we gfound tubing in his car and duct tape leftovers on his exhaust pipe...
All this to say, that its really a combination of depression(chemical imbalances) and state of mind...He had been fucked up forever, and was harming himself, slowly self destroying, but something that nite, some crazy state of mind,. feeling, attitude, drove him to do it...
I miss him very very much!
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topolo said:
It IS an individual choice. Otherwise it'd be murder. Unless you're a suicide bomber...then it's still your choice I guess.
topolo said:
This just sounds strange to me... like it's a calculated, rational, planned decision.
It wasn't that way for me at all, it was a very irrational spur of the moment type thing... there had been no prior plannning or thoughts on the subject, I just snapped, total overload and I was out of my head... no idea how it for anybody else.
Just seems to me if you are at a point of making a choice 'should I?' or 'shouldn't I?' then you need to seek help.
Everyone entertains thoughts of suicide at some point in their lives. The people that act on it are, in my experience, clinically depressed or rational with dismal prospects for continued life--terminal bone cancer or the like. My namesake and best friend was a military guy whose motto for life was, 'guns and pussy' he lived fast and dangerously. A year ago he shot himself to death after he experienced a string of mishaps not worth cataloging--the point being, that he made a decision based on his prospects. My sister on the other hand had a pyschological episode that degenerated her body which in turn further weakened her mind until she tried to do herself in--she was a shell of her former self. That is scary shit when someone loses grasp of the fabric of reality.
It seems odd that my life has been touched by suicide so many times and I'm just 34. A high school friend of mine threw herself out in front of a commuter train, a law school roommate shot himself in the house we rented, my own Dad shot himself in 2002, and just a month ago, an adult friend of mine hung herself in her condo's basement. The last suicide is still fresh on my mind. She was young, great job, Harvard grad, and only been married three months. In each case, the person was not crippled, terminally ill, destitute, or any other circumstance that you could understand why they committed suicide. In the case of my father, I am still amazed that he actually did it. Three years later, it still seems sureal to me. In retrospect, I can see how really depressed he was. I Just never thought of him as the type to do that. I still have a hard time accepting what he did. For myself, it would never be an option. Even if I didn't love myself(which I do), I couldn't hurt my family and friends in that way. The pain he left my sister and me is unbearable.
BritChick said:
Wow, that's some pretty heavy stuff Kerry
I"m sooooooooooooooooo glad you failed, you bring so much to this forum and our lives 
I never tried it in whole, but in part I did, like nights I would party so hard and take a half dozen different drugs in one night staying up for days on end not eating, showing up drunk at work just to go out and do it again. Living on the edge not caring if I woke in the morning, then I found love and it all came to an end.
