Suicide

[oaktownboy]

i think once you've read my thread some of u might change ur opinion about how committing suicide is selfish.

 

[LAM]

what thread is that ?

 

[DamnHardGainer]

^^^

The thread in this folder about his chronic health problems that no one can diagnose, I'm guessing.

 

[DamnHardGainer]

suicide is for the people who wants a ease way of escape from the realitty.
due to chemical imbalance, . is a bad fell.
mental health is the best tool to keep healthy.

I don't believe it's an easy way at all. When I went through dark times in my life and would contemplate it I could never do it simply because I fear the unknown of death more than anything else in this world.

Suicide is not always something to do with someone not being able to cope with life either...ie, an "escape". The samurai who believed in the code of bushido sanctified seppuku or ritual suicide, often through harakiri (disembowelment). They believed in death before dishonor, such as at the hands of an enemy or due to shame of defeat. It was considered the right thing to do and honorable. Disembowelment by plunging a blade into one's own gut and cutting horizontally is one of the most painful ways to go, yet it would be done with discipline and control - no crying or screaming. Tell me that's an easy way out!

Western culture looks upon suicide quite differently historically than many other cultures.

 

[Flex]

Suicide is not always something to do with someone not being able to cope with life either...ie, an "escape". The samurai who believed in the code of bushido sanctified seppuku or ritual suicide, often through harakiri (disembowelment). They believed in death before dishonor, such as at the hands of an enemy or due to shame of defeat. It was considered the right thing to do and honorable. Disembowelment by plunging a blade into one's own gut and cutting horizontally is one of the most painful ways to go, yet it would be done with discipline and control - no crying or screaming. Tell me that's an easy way out!

Western culture looks upon suicide quite differently historically than many other cultures.

they also used to think the world is round and that they could make it rain by doing a dance.

and today you got people who strap bombs to their chests believing they are serving a higher purpose. that's just plain absurd.

 

[Eggs]

Not to sound like a prick, but suicide due to mental disorders/imbalance is perhaps one of natures methods of weeding out those genes that shouldnt be passed on. I know how bastardish that sounds, but lets be realistic... its not necessarily healthy for the gene pool to have a bunch of irregularities like that. Due to medicine these days, though, much of that doesnt occur.

I think everyone has felt down and out at some time in their life. True, some more than others because of hormones, mental imbalance and what have you... but in the end we must all make the decision to live or to die.

I find it rather humorous that anybody without a terribly painful illness would consider it. What we all need to realize, is that in the end... years of loneliness or pain are much better than the alternative. That is, an eternity of nothing. The most important gift that any of us have received is the gift of life... and its something that many take for granted.

That said, if somebody wants to kill themself enough, then I fully recommend you do it. In the mean time, its too bad that you cant comprehend just how good life really is, pain or no pain, love or no love, fear or no fear. Life is where its at.

 

[Eggs]

I don't believe it's an easy way at all. When I went through dark times in my life and would contemplate it I could never do it simply because I fear the unknown of death more than anything else in this world.

Suicide is not always something to do with someone not being able to cope with life either...ie, an "escape". The samurai who believed in the code of bushido sanctified seppuku or ritual suicide, often through harakiri (disembowelment). They believed in death before dishonor, such as at the hands of an enemy or due to shame of defeat. It was considered the right thing to do and honorable. Disembowelment by plunging a blade into one's own gut and cutting horizontally is one of the most painful ways to go, yet it would be done with discipline and control - no crying or screaming. Tell me that's an easy way out!

Western culture looks upon suicide quite differently historically than many other cultures.

PS - Its certainly not easy, but it is stupid. Of course Western Culture looks upon suicide differently, believe it or not, we value the human being so much more than everybody else does. If you want to we can argue that, but one who bases honor above all else couldnt possibly value human life as much.

"Whoops, I spilled the creamer Lord, I must kill myself now"

 

[BulkMeUp]

Here is another discussion on this topic that got a bit heated
http://www.ironmagazineforums.com/showthread.php?t=37338&highlight=Suicide

 

[Decker]

I find it rather humorous that anybody without a terribly painful illness would consider it. What we all need to realize, is that in the end... years of loneliness or pain are much better than the alternative. That is, an eternity of nothing. The most important gift that any of us have received is the gift of life... and its something that many take for granted.

Strangely enough I don't find one's suicidal tendencies humorous at all. Analyzing our own existence generally culminates in recognizing some mysteries: why are we here and what should we do? Those notions are rather heavy and can easily crush someone's spirit. The strong person eventually understands salvation in the joyful participation in life--misery and all. Other's deflect these matters by not thinking of them or through deceiving themselves. As far as metaphysical significance is concerned...I'd wager an eternity of nothing awaits us all, suicide or not.

 

[oaktownboy]

what thread is that ?

http://www.ironmagazineforums.com/showthread.php?t=35559

 

[Flex]

What we all need to realize, is that in the end... years of loneliness or pain are much better than the alternative. That is, an eternity of nothing. The most important gift that any of us have received is the gift of life... and its something that many take for granted.

That said, if somebody wants to kill themself enough, then I fully recommend you do it. In the mean time, its too bad that you cant comprehend just how good life really is, pain or no pain, love or no love, fear or no fear. Life is where its at.

 

[Flex]

^although i full DON'T recommend they do it, but rather re-read what Eggs just said

 

[DamnHardGainer]

That said, if somebody wants to kill themself enough, then I fully recommend you do it. In the mean time, its too bad that you cant comprehend just how good life really is, pain or no pain, love or no love, fear or no fear. Life is where its at.

Depends on how they go about it imo. Here's a proper guideline:

1. Don't be a pansy and OD on drugs.
2. If people at work are bothering you that much that you can't take life anymore, then fuck it...might as well take them with you.
3. And have some courtesy and leave a note...it's rude to off yourself without explaining why. Nothing is more annoying then reading about a suicide in a paper and not knowing why he did it...it's like watching a movie and the power goes out 5 minutes before the end credits roll.
4. Lastly, take out some life insurance and hook up your surviving kin. Unless they're the ones that drove you nuts. Then refer back to #2.

That should help out any suicidal readers on this board.

 

[DamnHardGainer]

and today you got people who strap bombs to their chests believing they are serving a higher purpose. that's just plain absurd.

That's not absurd. That's a legitimate form of warfare, particularly if your enemy has tanks, air power, and cruise missiles, while you have only small arms, morters, and rpgs. All's fair in war. And that's coming from a vet. During the kosovo campaign we'd have kept dropping clusters had the press not made a stink about kids picking up the cute parachutes from the ground. The press needs to quit bitching about suicide bombers as well.

 

[Stu]

4. Lastly, take out some life insurance and hook up your surviving kin. Unless they're the ones that drove you nuts. Then refer back to #2.

life insurance doesnt pay out if its suicide

 

[crazy_enough]

life insurance doesnt pay out if its suicide

Actualy, they do (from a Canadian perspective), but you must have purchased the policy (and made all premium payments) at least 24 months prior to death by suicide....

My friend who died recently only had coverage for a year(so they didnt pay out!), and didnt take life ins. on any of his student loans, credit cards etc....his family were left with lotsa financial shit to deal with...We helped out by taking over his car loan as he didnt even have life insurance to secure that loan, that way they didnt have to bother with selling the vehicle at a loss.

 

[stonesk]

Coming from an insurance agent it's the same in the US 24 months and they will pay. I won't even get started about my past experiences but I'll just say that it's not easy to deal with.

 

[Eggs]

Strangely enough I don't find one's suicidal tendencies humorous at all.

Perhaps I have an over developed sense of humor

Analyzing our own existence generally culminates in recognizing some mysteries: why are we here and what should we do? Those notions are rather heavy and can easily crush someone's spirit. The strong person eventually understands salvation in the joyful participation in life--misery and all. Other's deflect these matters by not thinking of them or through deceiving themselves.

And some kill themself instead. Yes, we know. But that is indeed the part that I find humorous. That people can allow themselves to be so caught up in it all that they fail to make use of the one thing that is causing them despair. Dont get me wrong, every now and then I find myself a bit melancholy and considering my future and eternity, but why in the hell would I take away what I have because it feels too short (and for some, meaningless) to begin with? That is definitely one of the characteristics that differentiate the strong and the weak.

As far as metaphysical significance is concerned...I'd wager an eternity of nothing awaits us all, suicide or not.

Nobody suggested otherwise. However, to those that kill themselves they sure bring tht eternity of nothingness a whole lot closer.

Oh, and I dont find someone killing themself and leaving all their bills to friends and family funny at all. Thats just plain selfish, no matter whether they see it that way or not.

 

[clemson357]

I personally feel like no one is obligated to stay here if they don't want to. People say it is selfish, and it is, but it is also selfish for you to expect someone to stick around for your peace of mind when they are completely miserable.

on the other hand, I think a lot of suicide is for the wrong reason, things that are temporary, or moderate disappointments in your life are not good reasons. a lot of times people blow things out of proportion and come to hasty conclusions. a lot of people come back from the edge and are very glad that they didn't pull the trigger.

 

[GFR]

I would like your thought on this topic please. In your mind is this a viable solution for someone who no longer wants to live?

Man down

 

[Pedigree]

Suicide is an act of a total coward. It takes guts to stand up to life and kick it in the sack.

 

[maniclion]

Suicide is an act of a total coward. It takes guts to stand up to life and kick it in the sack.

But, even Superman shot himself....

 

[Vieope]

Suicide is an act of a total coward. It takes guts to stand up to life and kick it in the sack.

Not everybody wants to die because things are difficult, sometimes people get too bored.

 

[fufu]

Suicide is an act of a total coward. It takes guts to stand up to life and kick it in the sack.

I don't totally agree with you there.

 

[maniclion]

Not everybody wants to die because things are difficult, sometimes people get too bored.

Sometimes it a dare, and you can't pussy out of a dare or else you're a coward.

 

[Pedigree]

But, even Superman shot himself....

Superman was an illegal...he doesn't count.

 

[Martinogdenbsx]

Superman was an illegal...he doesn't count.

I thought cryptonite killed superman

 

[hardasnails1973]

I think going down on Lois Lane did him in

Its amazing people can put all this energy creating the ultimate body, but I believe alot of it is only to hide the fraility of what really lies inside. When a person focus so much on there body and when that is taken away they have no other areas in there life to fall back on such as the mind, and spirit. We can either sit and pitty our selves on how much muscle we lost or how much we lost in our bench or we can take the time to seach other areas of our humanity such as mind and spirit. As trouble said it all comes down to balance. if we just focus so much on one area of our human existance the phyiscal we will never be a fully developed person. Even though I may have lost some of my phyiscal being instead of pulling out a gun, or playing out in middel of traffic I decided to take the time to find my self and explore other areas that I was lacking (spirituallity). I look of what happened as a blesssing rather then a curse, but that just my mentality and desire to expand my self. I see people bitching that owe there shoulder hurts and they can not bench for 2 weeks. They sound like crying babies. I honestly believe over half of the people on hear if they went through something him and I did would kill themselves because they are WEAK inside and only build their bodys to project a strong exterior to hide the real pain and inter turmoil inside. i know you all are going to say thats not me no way..Take a good look in the mirror one day and honestly take a look at whos looking back at you..Reason people take there own lives is because they not weak but are unbalaneced and lack FAITH. Over the years I have seen our society deterate because lack of the traiditional family values have declined. Families no longer ever sit down to a traditional family dinner with every one present to discuss issues. Instead childern have to turn to the internet for that attention they so desire and intern are influenced by their peers other then their parents. In due time you will see social skills decline because of people interacting on line then going out and meeting in real life. Soon the good old days of going out and finding a date by using cunning and chivarly with be replaced by IM and dating serivices. On internet a person can be who they want to be. manipulative and tell you all kinds of bullshit. If you meet them in real life one can see body language and see how they interact in person.

 

[maniclion]

I thought cryptonite killed superman

 

[hardasnails1973]

Sure lex lugar did slip something in his drink ?