supplements may shorten your life

[Classic_Rebuild]

I have never conspired with anyone to scam anyone, neither has my wife or the hundreds of medical professionals we work with. I've also been involved in studies done in graduate school and can assure you that we were never influenced by anyone outside our school to doctor our results.

Maybe not knowingly, but have you ever followed policies, protocol's and procedures specifically directed by the medical system? Modern medicine is a business machine designed around the bottom line and there fore must control all other functions based on this.
As with any machine it demands absolute compliance from its internal components or it must quickly and efficiently either repair, or purge those components who will not or cannot comply.

 

[Classic_Rebuild]

Blood pressure meds are a great example of the benefits of western medicine and medications. A ton of my patients would be in worse shape if it weren't for their Bp meds, or theyd be dead. Blood thinners are another great example. Cardiac bypass and stents are great examples of the surgeries that are keeping folks alive. Hip replacements are great examples of a surgery that gives patients their life back. Are you suggesting these guys just take supps for their health problems?

Ahh... the great blood pressure scam. I'm glad you brought that up because its something that has directly affected me. My job demands that I keep my BP low. Which, to start with, having to take a mandatory physical for a job is another of my major grips the medical /insurance cartels have forced on us. Its no different then back during the slave trade, during auction, they would strip the slaves down, stand them on the auction block, and make them available for examination! Don't get me started there!!!

But anyway, back to the BP scam, about 3 years ago I noticed my BP was starting to climb when I had it taken by a doctor.... My BP since I was 16 yrs old has always stayed around 115/85 but all of the sudden I was getting 130...140...170... over 100+ and I knew my BP had gone up just a bit but I also knew it hadn't gone up that much.

The last Physical I was forced to take I actually found a doctor I almost could like. if he was to leave the profession I probably would. He was a body builder as well. The dip wad nurse come in and give me a bp of over 130/103 I think is what it was. The doctor come in and looked at it, then looked at me, then went out of the room and come back in carrying a thigh cuff.
He takes it again and walla!!!! 123/90 which was pretty good considering just having to go to slave auction raises my BP. He told me with the size of my arms, I needed to have a thigh cuff rather then a large arm cuff, because it would dramatically affect the reading. He also told me I need to make sure I have my BP done with a sphygmomanometer and thigh cuff rather then an electronic unit. He told me...as I already suspected that a lot of these places are also using equipment that is so far out of calibration, it will dramatically affect BP readings.
He didn't directly say it, but he hinted around that it was to push BP meds onto people who really didn't need them.

 

[exphys88]

con·spire/kənˈspī(ə)r/
Verb:
Make secret plans jointly to commit an unlawful or harmful act.
(of events or circumstances) Seem to be working together to bring about a particular result, typically to someone's detriment.


You can't unknowingly conspire.

 

[exphys88]

So... You're saying that everyone's bp is great and they were just using the wrong cuff? And those strokes that people get from hypertension is just the medical community trying to sell them more meds? Hilarious!

 

[exphys88]

How bout anti arrhythmia meds, are those just "pretend" too? How bout using an AED, is that just the med community trying to sell machines?
You must be a dnr if you go into the hospital because if you got really sick or injured, the only thing that's gonna save your ass is medicine and/or surgery.

 

[Classic_Rebuild]

con·spire/kənˈspī(ə)r/
Verb:
Make secret plans jointly to commit an unlawful or harmful act.
(of events or circumstances) Seem to be working together to bring about a particular result, typically to someone's detriment.


You can't unknowingly conspire.

I was trying to give you some degree of plausible deney-ability by using the word "unknowingly". However since you agree, then I guess using the word "conspire" would be more accurate.

 

[azza1971]

eat well, eat right, exercise

watch a movie called "forks over knives" its 2011 movie, will make u think alot

Forks Over Knives | The Official Movie Website

Looks like a good movie???...

 

[Classic_Rebuild]

READ Antiarrhythmic drugs, patients, and the pharmaceutical industry: value for patients, physicians, pharmacists or shareholders? AS it pertains to Antiarrhythmic drugs and as an example of big pharma's need to put their bottom line before human health. One of a hundred examples I can pull up if you like but this should demonstrate to some degree what I am presenting.



And as for AED's... An AED (Automated External Difibrillator) is nothing more then a glorified stun gun attached to a pad that has less then 100 bucks worth of components in it, but is being sold for $1200.00 or more on the open market. See this site for pricing....

American AED - Automated External Defibrillators at Guaranteed Low Prices

I find it interesting that the medical cartels are using fear tactics to sell a device that normally would cost a fifth of the current going price in any other market.

As far as going to a hospital. Yes I have had too go a couple times out of necessity,and usually under protest. Each time I had a witness with me the whole time to observe anything done that I wasn't awake to observe and control myself.

I had my tonsils out when I was 6, Not my doing, my rotators worked on when I blew them out, (mainly because I couldn't do it my self or find someone who I trusted to do it, and once to have my foot x-rayed when I broke it because I needed to see what was broke so I could set it and the medical cartels have a monopoly on access to them.

Oh, and as for the comment you left me in private chat that I needed some more education, well I think this quote by Albert Einstein sums thing up well:

Education is what remains after one has forgotten what one has learned in school.

How bout anti arrhythmia meds, are those just "pretend" too? How bout using an AED, is that just the med community trying to sell machines?
You must be a dnr if you go into the hospital because if you got really sick or injured, the only thing that's gonna save your ass is medicine and/or surgery.

 

[exphys88]

Oh geez. It's a capitalist society, you should make some aeds and sell them. You'd be rich and you could start your own supplement company and save the world.

 

[exphys88]

Oh, and X-rays are a scam by the medical community to trick you into buying a cast, you should never allow them to do that to you.

 

[Curt James]

Old people die..... that's what they do.

Wait. What?! Who told you that?

 

[Curt James]

How bout anti arrhythmia meds, are those just "pretend" too? How bout using an AED, is that just the med community trying to sell machines?
You must be a dnr if you go into the hospital because if you got really sick or injured, the only thing that's gonna save your ass is medicine and/or surgery.

Prayer?

 

[exphys88]

I guess that's all you got when you're convinced that everyone in the medical field is conspiring to keep you unhealthy and take all your money. Prayer and vitamins.

 

[Classic_Rebuild]

Oh geez. It's a capitalist society, you should make some aeds and sell them. You'd be rich and you could start your own supplement company and save the world.

Actually that's a pretty good idea, could manufacture and sell then for say half the price, make a little money, and provide them at a much reduced price. Oh wait!! But then I would go to jail for selling an unauthorized medical device without the permission of the medical cartels. Oh well......

 

[Classic_Rebuild]

Wait. What?! Who told you that?

You heard of "Born again Christian's" ? Well I am going to become a
"Born Again Youngster" lol

 

[exphys88]

Actually that's a pretty good idea, could manufacture and sell then for say half the price, make a little money, and provide them at a much reduced price. Oh wait!! But then I would go to jail for selling an unauthorized medical device without the permission of the medical cartels. Oh well......

You're right, we should let just any joe schmoe build machines that we rely on to defibrillate the heart. There shouldn't be any form of oversight and/or quality control on such a product. You crack me up.

 

[Classic_Rebuild]

Oh, and X-rays are a scam by the medical community to trick you into buying a cast, you should never allow them to do that to you.[/QUOTE

Actually Xrays are one contributing cause of breast cancer among women and in humans in general.

The wavelength of X-ray energy is .10 ->13th nm which is also about the same specific resonant frequency as human DNA, hence when human DNA is subjected to this freq it tends to mutate.

The general marketing ploy used to ease the public's concern of x-rays has been that it is such a low dose that it does no harm. However this is far from the truth. Where as its true High dose x-rays tend to kill off cells its the low dose X-rays that actually mutate the cell and DNA within the cell.

Nikola Tesla who was the original discover of X-ray and the first X-Ray emitter,3 years before Wilhelm Roentgen stole his discovery and patented it, warned of the dangers to the human body of exposure to X-rays, after he, Wilhelm Roentgen, and Thomas Edison had extensively experimented on them selves, in competition with each other. Tesla was temporilary blinded, and Edison had massive tumor in his abdomen believed to be from x-ray experimentation.

 

[exphys88]

Oh, and X-rays are a scam by the medical community to trick you into buying a cast, you should never allow them to do that to you.[/QUOTE

Actually Xrays are one contributing cause of breast cancer among women and in humans in general.

The wavelength of X-ray energy is .10 ->13th nm which is also about the same specific resonant frequency as human DNA, hence when human DNA is subjected to this freq it tends to mutate.

The general marketing ploy used to ease the public's concern of x-rays has been that it is such a low dose that it does no harm. However this is far from the truth. Where as its true High dose x-rays tend to kill off cells its the low dose X-rays that actually mutate the cell and DNA within the cell.

Nikola Tesla who was the original discover of X-ray and the first X-Ray emitter,3 years before Wilhelm Roentgen stole his discovery and patented it, warned of the dangers to the human body of exposure to X-rays, after he, Wilhelm Roentgen, and Thomas Edison had extensively experimented on them selves, in competition with each other. Tesla was temporilary blinded, and Edison had massive tumor in his abdomen believed to be from x-ray experimentation.

I completely agree with this.

But, in medicine it comes down to risk vs benefit. BP meds are a great example. many of them cause horrible side effects, but when your bp is 220/115 you need those meds badly or you're going to die of a stroke or be a vegetable and your family have to take care of you for the rest of your life.

I actually agree with a lot of what you have to say, especially in regards to the pharma comps. I just don't share as much disdain for the medical community as you do, because I work in it and neither me or any of the staff I work with make money off of keeping people ill.

I also find it interesting that you don't think that the same human greed that drives pharma groups to sell their pills doesn't apply to supplement companies.

 

[Classic_Rebuild]

You're right, we should let just any joe schmoe build machines that we rely on to defibrillate the heart. There shouldn't be any form of oversight and/or quality control on such a product. You crack me up.

yes the medical cartels have such a great quality control scam going.... oh wait lets look at the FDA's site....

Philips Heartstart Fr2+ Automated External Defibrillators - Recall

Whats this... A recall on all those high quality AED's... hmmmmm

 

[Classic_Rebuild]

I completely agree with this.

But, in medicine it comes down to risk vs benefit. BP meds are a great example. many of them cause horrible side effects, but when your bp is 220/115 you need those meds badly or you're going to die of a stroke or be a vegetable and your family have to take care of you for the rest of your life.

I actually agree with a lot of what you have to say, especially in regards to the pharma comps. I just don't share as much disdain for the medical community as you do, because I work in it and neither me or any of the staff I work with make money off of keeping people ill.

I also find it interesting that you don't think that the same human greed that drives pharma groups to sell their pills doesn't apply to supplement companies.

Oh I never said I wasn't as cautious with the supplement markets and some of the "New Age" crap out there that one has to wade thru to get good supplements, and information for that matter.

However where as the medical field has absolute control of ones body through different forms of laws and policies and so on and so forth, your still somewhat free to do your own research and find the right combination of nutrients to use, which best fit your own body as you understand it. the supplement markets are full of charlatans as well, but there is still some degree of freedom left. At least for the time being.

Although there might be a glimpse of benefit of the medical cartels the risk factor for going to one is too great to balance out that minute benefit.

In essences, medicine want absolute control of our bodies to do as it pleases. At the very least that's the equivalent to rape, and at the worse case its eugenics...

I have no doubt that you or your wife make very little money in the medical field compared to the huge profits brought in. But you are components of the machine.

 

[exphys88]

The concept of making a profit off of healthcare is the real problem, humans are greedy.

 

[Classic_Rebuild]

Since you are so concerned with my level of education I thought I would send you a few of my favorite quotes form famous people about the subject of Education:

“It is a miracle that curiosity survives formal education.”
-Albert Einstein
"The only thing that interferes with my learning is my education"
-Albert Einstein


"My education was interrupted only by my schooling"
-Winston Churchill

"Nothing that is worth knowing can be taught"
-Oscar Wilde

This last quote isn't about education but rather is a quote from my favorite all time Genius Nikola Tesla and partially sums up my "Distain" for the medical cartels

Everyone should consider his body as a priceless gift from one whom he loves above all, a marvelous work of art, of indescribable beauty, and mystery beyond human conception, and so delicate that a word, a breath, a look, nay, a thought may injure it. - Nikola Tesla

 

[Classic_Rebuild]

The concept of making a profit off of healthcare is the real problem, humans are greedy.

I will agree there... but it goes far beyond just greed. Its about absolute control of each one of us. Physically, psychologically, emotionally....

its about a Master/Slave relationship..... guess who wants to be the masters

Its about Eugntics and who they decide is worthy of living and who is expendable

Its about access to a brain washed population for their own perverted desires, wants and needs

I posted this in another message to you but it has much more merit here.

Quote by Nikola Tesla:

Everyone should consider his body as a priceless gift from one whom he loves above all, a marvelous work of art, of indescribable beauty, and mystery beyond human conception, and so delicate that a word, a breath, a look, nay, a thought may injure it. -Nikola Tesla
The medical Machine and its components, have striped this away form the human element and proceeded to pervert humanity in ways I'm afraid we have yet completely seen

 

[Watson]

I though americans all hated socialized medicine?

 

[Classic_Rebuild]

I though Americans all hated socialized medicine?

This American does!!!! Hates Socialized medicine that is. However, as much contempt as I have for socialized medicine, I have as much contempt, if not more contempt, for "Privatized - Free Market" medicine, as well.

Basically, I never understood why anyone would allow access to ones body, or the responsibility for their health, to a person who has no stake in it, except maybe their mate or family member.

In my opinion to give access and trust the medical cartels is like taking a piece of rare fine art, in to a street gang, for touch up work with spray paint. (This is why I detest tattoo's and piercings as well)

Its like taking your computer or laptop in to be serviced!! Why on earth would anyone take such a personal and intimate piece of tech in to be serviced by anyone else but one's self.

Its like owning the finest built automobile ever made, for 50 years, and still not knowing how to tune it up, or service it.

And that's the lessor of my objections about this whole medical cartel thing!!!

 

[squigader]

This American does!!!! Hates Socialized medicine that is. However, as much contempt as I have for socialized medicine, I have as much contempt, if not more contempt, for "Privatized - Free Market" medicine, as well.

Basically, I never understood why anyone would allow access to ones body, or the responsibility for their health, to a person who has no stake in it, except maybe their mate or family member.

In my opinion to give access and trust the medical cartels is like taking a piece of rare fine art, in to a street gang, for touch up work with spray paint. (This is why I detest tattoo's and piercings as well)

Its like taking your computer or laptop in to be serviced!! Why on earth would anyone take such a personal and intimate piece of tech in to be serviced by anyone else but one's self.

Its like owning the finest built automobile ever made, for 50 years, and still not knowing how to tune it up, or service it.

And that's the lessor of my objections about this whole medical cartel thing!!!

So what're you gonna do if you get cancer? Not gonna trust the doctors and hospitals with that, are you? I bet you'll come up with your own cure...

While I'm skeptical of the current model of healthcare, and there is plenty wrong with it, rejecting the system entirely is a stupid way to look at it. Like someone said above mockingly "I bet X-rays are just a scam to sell you casts"

 

[Classic_Rebuild]

So what're you gonna do if you get cancer? Not gonna trust the doctors and hospitals with that, are you? I bet you'll come up with your own cure...

While I'm skeptical of the current model of healthcare, and there is plenty wrong with it, rejecting the system entirely is a stupid way to look at it. Like someone said above mockingly "I bet X-rays are just a scam to sell you casts"

First of all did you read the follow up on xrays at all? You really want to dig into that insane issue here? I'm game....

Second of all read this... ANATOMY OF A CONSPIRACY by Jon Rappoport And if you like I can go get the AMA's own quotes stating the satisitics on just how many people the medical cartels and Big pharma kill each year. Needless to say "they" (The Medical Cartels) Are the third leading cause of death in this country. I would say the fist but lets use their own satistic's. You read through this all then we can begin to have a intelligent conversation on it.

Third...when a system...computer system, or any other system, including the medical system, becomes, so systemiclly corrupted, that its sub systems can no longer be repaired independently, it must then be considered to be a threat to that for which it was designed to function and shut down. The medical Cartels are one such system.

Forth its rather hard to enguage in intelligent conversation with someone who uses a cartoon figure from "The Family Man" as a representation of ones self.

 

[annalise]

Vitamins and dietary supplements play an important role in the health and healthcare of many adults, and the business of supplements constitutes a multibillion-dollar industry worldwide.

 

[annalise]

Vitamins and dietary supplements play an important role in the health and healthcare of many adults, and the business of supplements constitutes a multibillion-dollar industry worldwide.

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Healthcare Practice Management

 

[Anibalyeah]

bullshit