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Those 2500 more than likely were "legally blind" from cataracts which is 20/200 vision or worse.
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Those 2500 more than likely were "legally blind" from cataracts which is 20/200 vision or worse.
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Approximately 0.1% of the population suffered from cataracts, which has been put down to a Vitamin C deficiency by – genetic predisposition. According to a study in the 1950s by Ogino and Yasukura, they found that DNP users with a genetic predisposition to cataracts had a higher chance of developing it, but with vitamin C supplementation, or a vitamin C rich diet, cataracts didn’t develop.
The best research came in the 1950's by Ogino and Yasukura. They found that guinea pigs fed a vitamin C deficient diet while on DNP developed cataracts, while those that supplemented with vitamin C did not. As they explained, "In these experiments, it is clear that there is a close relationship between the production of cataract and vitamin-C deficiency." They then went on, though a series of fascinating steps, to isolate the cataractogenic metabolite of DNP (the chemical derived from DNP that can cause cataracts). They identified it as 2-amino-p-quinonimine. They found that the hydroxyl- and nitro-radicals of DNP in the p-position of the benzene ring are essential to the production of dinitrophenol cataract. There are various other cataractogenic agents that are similar quinoid substances.
Ogino and Yasukura said "This suggests that a genetic predisposition plays an important role in susceptibility to this cataract. This notion is strengthened by the fact that, in spite of extensive experiments of long duration by many authors, it has been found impossible to produce dinitrophenol cataract experimentally in various other species, namely, in rats, rabbits, guinea pigs, and dogs, although Bettman observed dinitrophenol cataract in a special strain of mice." If there's a genetic predisposition, then some people might be much more likely to develop cataracts than others. It's also possible that while a few people are susceptible, others are essentially immune.
The best research came in the 1950's by Ogino and Yasukura. They found that guinea pigs fed a vitamin C deficient diet while on DNP developed cataracts, while those that supplemented with vitamin C did not. As they explained, "In these experiments, it is clear that there is a close relationship between the production of cataract and vitamin-C deficiency." They then went on, though a series of fascinating steps, to isolate the cataractogenic metabolite of DNP (the chemical derived from DNP that can cause cataracts). They identified it as 2-amino-p-quinonimine. They found that the hydroxyl- and nitro-radicals of DNP in the p-position of the benzene ring are essential to the production of dinitrophenol cataract. There are various other cataractogenic agents that are similar quinoid substances.
Ogino and Yasukura said "This suggests that a genetic predisposition plays an important role in susceptibility to this cataract. This notion is strengthened by the fact that, in spite of extensive experiments of long duration by many authors, it has been found impossible to produce dinitrophenol cataract experimentally in various other species, namely, in rats, rabbits, guinea pigs, and dogs, although Bettman observed dinitrophenol cataract in a special strain of mice." If there's a genetic predisposition, then some people might be much more likely to develop cataracts than others. It's also possible that while a few people are susceptible, others are essentially immune.
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Great post!
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told ya so
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yo vin.....that response was lifted from anabolex no? if i remember im all over that thread
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its been posted several times through out many a board. I follow the tried and true words of conciliator,along with my own research, but The man has been dead on.
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yeah he knows his shit....the only thing i wouldnt do is clen on dnp....with the dnp dehydration that you just cant escape and clen i get CRAMPS very bad.....worse than clen alone........i would wait to run clen after getting off because clen kills my appetite and i wouldnt want carb cravings to come back to square one after suffering thu sweat and breathing like darth vader..........besides with the t-3 BOOST you will get after cycle + clen you wouldnt even need to add t-3..........i still would add glycerol and TAURINE though because most cramps suck the taurine right out of your muscles.......ouch.....................
in a few weeks a new addition to my line is coming out with some known fat burners and appetite suppresants with only 50mg DNP (meant to only take twice a day then down to once a day) to help solidify fat loss from heavy cycles by offering COMFORTABLE uncoupling as well as curb carb cravings.....so youll still burn fat as the "flatness" dissapears...........i may even reduce it to 40mg not sure yet.....depends on subjects experience i guess..........anyways im not ready to divulge the exact date of release of formula just yet until i accquire all i need.................it would be designed to take 2-4 weeks post "heavy cycle" and will also offer thyroid support but the more i toss it around in my head the more im sure i wont need that......i would be better off with chems to KEEP THE FUCKIN FORKS OUT OF YOUR MOUTHS..........conciliator had agreed with me 100% in the past regarding this.......we just disagree on the clen subject...............................thoughts?
in a few weeks a new addition to my line is coming out with some known fat burners and appetite suppresants with only 50mg DNP (meant to only take twice a day then down to once a day) to help solidify fat loss from heavy cycles by offering COMFORTABLE uncoupling as well as curb carb cravings.....so youll still burn fat as the "flatness" dissapears...........i may even reduce it to 40mg not sure yet.....depends on subjects experience i guess..........anyways im not ready to divulge the exact date of release of formula just yet until i accquire all i need.................it would be designed to take 2-4 weeks post "heavy cycle" and will also offer thyroid support but the more i toss it around in my head the more im sure i wont need that......i would be better off with chems to KEEP THE FUCKIN FORKS OUT OF YOUR MOUTHS..........conciliator had agreed with me 100% in the past regarding this.......we just disagree on the clen subject...............................thoughts?
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If Clen makes you feel like shit, then don't take it. With DNP you can and actually are slightly encouraged to use stimulants, DNP is not a stimulant so to counter lethargic feeling from DNP I personally would drink lots of coffee or a few caffeine pills to keep me going.
When I run DNP I don't change my diet at all, 209mg-400mg a day of DNP. Since it increases your metabolic rate 50%, you are essentially cutting your daily calorie intake in half or you can think of it as increasing calories burned by 50%.
Same stable diet plus DNP equals fat loss. This is a nice trick to cut up without starving yourself on a cutting diet.
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i do use stims with dnp.....i prefer ephedrine/caffine/yohimbe........................also subultiamine and some of "animal's" products which he wont disclose ingredients to give me some vavavoom............i just dont tolerate clen very well and with the additional cramping i advise against it....EVERYONE cramps on clen.......but cramping while dehydrated is just plain unecessary
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anapolack, the only real suggestion I could make would be to substitute clen for albuterol, No wear near the sides, but still can reap some of the benefits of fat burning. I just stick with DNP alone and stay around 400mg, but carrying my own line, I can run a bit longer than most. Been running Test P/Tren while running my DNP at 400mg for the past 5 weeks, weight has dropped from about 260 to 240, but im stronger than when i started
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Is it really needed? DNP will burn pure fat and is insanely stronger than Clen...
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i used albuterol....like i said i prefer other stims....even ephedrine to clen while on dnp...............and yeah its like adding a firecracker to dynamite but what the goal is fighting fatigue and appetite
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I've gotten away from just about anything that messes with my CNS directly. I do dose Caffeine from time to time while on DNP, but thats about it, I use fruit as my way to combat lethargy on DNP, and it works just fine for me
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Agreed. I can only tolerate being lethargic for a few days.
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drink lots of water/glycerol on that brah
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hell yeah....with that slim waist youll look like a buff healthy crackhead ........what i would do to have a waist like that
What will dnp do for this? get shred nasty?
It will help. 200mg a day for 14-21 days and you'll be happy. Keep the diet in check and do some cardio. 10 days after your last dose when the water weight falls off, you should be 10-15lbs lighter. Drop your carbs out for 3-5 days and you'll drop down another 4-9lbs.
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Bigbenji, you to me would be a perfect candidate to run DNP, pretty lean and it would only help with maintaining the size you do have while still shredding up
I'm about 99.9999999% percent sure. Fuck it, its a go haha.
I also just started my test and tren also, I think I already told you that before though, so I think the results could potentially be amazing.
Damn, dog, I have ADD, I need some cliff notes lol.
I'd like to see the exposure levels that lead to some of these side effects. I'll keep reading it, if I can pay attention long enough.
Edit: I see mice died from 1250-2500mg of dnp/day. No surprise there, as its upwards of 6x what people are recommending in this thread, and mice only weight a couple of pounds at most.
I'd like to see the exposure levels that lead to some of these side effects. I'll keep reading it, if I can pay attention long enough.
Edit: I see mice died from 1250-2500mg of dnp/day. No surprise there, as its upwards of 6x what people are recommending in this thread, and mice only weight a couple of pounds at most.
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I'm going to find out for myself through real life experience. This is just going to turn into an online study posting session. One person will post a study pro-dnp, then someone will post a study that is anti.
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not to menton thats alot for little tiny MICE.......and the first known people with heavy dnp exposure were miners who many led long lives if they didnt die of an accident...........why is there no mention in that about the anti-cancer properties? the big anti-oxidant values and the dna/rna protection not to mention the stimulation for increasing mitochondria?
Everything is conflicting. Just look at the wiki entry, and in a roundabout way, it says that nothing is certain.
Here are some small tidbits from Wiki:
"However, the effects of DNP on anaerobic micro-organisms are still largely undetermined"
"There are limited and conflicting data on the pharmacokinetics of DNP in humans"
"Oddly, more recent papers give an array of possible half-lives, ranging from 3 hours, to 5–14 days. Other recent papers maintain that the half-life in humans is unknown"
Here are some small tidbits from Wiki:
"However, the effects of DNP on anaerobic micro-organisms are still largely undetermined"
"There are limited and conflicting data on the pharmacokinetics of DNP in humans"
"Oddly, more recent papers give an array of possible half-lives, ranging from 3 hours, to 5–14 days. Other recent papers maintain that the half-life in humans is unknown"
