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Originally posted by The_Chicken_Daddy
Sweet Jesu.
I just had an epiphany.
I'm worse for chocolate than women
You worry me... 
Like your pwo feed too. Chocolate week here too till Halloween time... You all celebrate Halloween in UK?
Not really.
We get the dick little kids running around with their jackets over their heads asking for a 'penny for halloween', usually several weeks before the day. I just tell them to fuck off. Even on halloween night. Unless they come dressed up properly.
But no, halloween ain't a big of a deal over here as it is over there.
We get the dick little kids running around with their jackets over their heads asking for a 'penny for halloween', usually several weeks before the day. I just tell them to fuck off. Even on halloween night. Unless they come dressed up properly.
But no, halloween ain't a big of a deal over here as it is over there.
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Rob tells little kids to fuck off, lmao!! I'm picturing that happening and fuckin crackin up.
Over here, maybe no all of America, but Brooklyn atleast, i spend the day dodging eggs, its not fun at all.
Over here, maybe no all of America, but Brooklyn atleast, i spend the day dodging eggs, its not fun at all.
I'd fucking slap them too if they weren't such scruffy little fuckers that i don't want to touch in fear of catching infection.
Anyhoo, i've just got back from yet another champions league match. Watched the Toon trounce Dynamo Kiev 2-1 and loved every minute of it. I really want to go to Holland next week to watch the feyenord game. If we win that and Dyanmo Kiev fail to beat Juventus, then we go through to the next phase!
Not bad considering we lost our first threee matches. Unjustly on all three accounts amazingly.
Anyhoo, i've just got back from yet another champions league match. Watched the Toon trounce Dynamo Kiev 2-1 and loved every minute of it. I really want to go to Holland next week to watch the feyenord game. If we win that and Dyanmo Kiev fail to beat Juventus, then we go through to the next phase!
Not bad considering we lost our first threee matches. Unjustly on all three accounts amazingly.
Your p/o shake is identical to mine, except I try to add some extra BCAAs if I have 'em. But as you know, no creatine for now.
Last year we had ONE "trick or treater" -- but he came 3 times!
Last year we had ONE "trick or treater" -- but he came 3 times!
...And that's why he came back a third time...
With kids these days you've really got to hit a point home hard. Treats in return for a few lashings is nothing new.
This year, bring out the pitch fork. A few prods with that baby will show 'um who's boss.
With kids these days you've really got to hit a point home hard. Treats in return for a few lashings is nothing new.
This year, bring out the pitch fork. A few prods with that baby will show 'um who's boss.
Ok, to prevent this thread from becoming totally off topic, here's a shy update.
I shifted from 4 to 6 squirts over the weekend. if i did 4 squirts all the time, then i could probably squeeze 2 two week cycles out of one bottle. But since i've moved to 6 (6 squirts would last 15 days per bottle) i'm not sure how much i'll have left for a second cycle. So this time i may just keep going till the bottle runs dry. Which may be about 3 weeks or so. Then i'll take at least 3 weeks off. In fact, it'll be so close to christmas by then that i may just wait until the new year before doing another cycle.
One point of note is that the first few days (thurs-mon) of the 4000kcals made me feel and look like i was physically fatter. Of course, i put a lot down to stomach distention from food, water retention and sodium and all the rest. But the past two days i've looked almost as lean as i was by the end of my last cut. Only with fuller muscles (from the glycogen). My chest also looks notably larger (although it's still small on the whole).
I'll re-weigh myself tomorrow and see how my weight has changed. I'm expecting it to be down from last week's weight actually, since last thursday i weighed in the day after a refeed so i was holding food, water, glycogen and the like. This weeek i won't be retaining as much water or food so i'm expecting to be lighter.
I shifted from 4 to 6 squirts over the weekend. if i did 4 squirts all the time, then i could probably squeeze 2 two week cycles out of one bottle. But since i've moved to 6 (6 squirts would last 15 days per bottle) i'm not sure how much i'll have left for a second cycle. So this time i may just keep going till the bottle runs dry. Which may be about 3 weeks or so. Then i'll take at least 3 weeks off. In fact, it'll be so close to christmas by then that i may just wait until the new year before doing another cycle.
One point of note is that the first few days (thurs-mon) of the 4000kcals made me feel and look like i was physically fatter. Of course, i put a lot down to stomach distention from food, water retention and sodium and all the rest. But the past two days i've looked almost as lean as i was by the end of my last cut. Only with fuller muscles (from the glycogen). My chest also looks notably larger (although it's still small on the whole).
I'll re-weigh myself tomorrow and see how my weight has changed. I'm expecting it to be down from last week's weight actually, since last thursday i weighed in the day after a refeed so i was holding food, water, glycogen and the like. This weeek i won't be retaining as much water or food so i'm expecting to be lighter.
Just made a quick ONE review so far. Nothing amazing yet, but that does remind me that a lot of guys say they don't feel ONE really kicking in until week two. We'll have to wait and see. I've yet to train something again since starting it too, so i reckon that will be the real eye opener. Although my results may be twisted since i am coming off a diet - a low carb one at that, and i've since moved onto more regular carb feedings. But we shall see.
I saw your back comments, yeah. Still amazing progress though. Even if it was just with two exercises.
By the way, re: the electric probe. It sounds good, but what if you broke it off their head(s)? That's gonna be you out of pocket, man. A better idea may be an electric door knocker. With a good few thousand volts passing through it. At least that way you'll never feel inclined to try and hit them with it.
Although i'm still liking my pitch fork idea...
Actually, I progressed on every exercise and every set, except my first set of pullups. My comments was just that the progression COULD be due to other factors. If it continues next week than we will know.
Regarding your "fat then lean" comments, my experience was EXACTLY the same, but my weight has gone up.
Well i'll not know if my weight has gone down till tomorrow morning, but even if it does i don't care. Last week's weigh in was quite a ridiculous idea by all accounts, i'm not overly sure why i bothered in all truth.
Just the extra calories you're now eating could be helping your progression. But i can tell you that the 1-T won't be doing any harm in this regard, even if the progression isn't attributable soley to it.
And maybe it works better once you get a bit of blood into the muscle group? Sounds like a dumb i dea i realise, but theoretically, 1-T helps with better pumps and you'd expect more fluid in the muscle making the cells bigger would mean you can shift more weight for more reps. A bit like how creatine manages it. So next session make sure you're really warmed up with a slight pump before going into your proper work sets? I dunno how valid that is, but it's an idea.
Just the extra calories you're now eating could be helping your progression. But i can tell you that the 1-T won't be doing any harm in this regard, even if the progression isn't attributable soley to it.
And maybe it works better once you get a bit of blood into the muscle group? Sounds like a dumb i dea i realise, but theoretically, 1-T helps with better pumps and you'd expect more fluid in the muscle making the cells bigger would mean you can shift more weight for more reps. A bit like how creatine manages it. So next session make sure you're really warmed up with a slight pump before going into your proper work sets? I dunno how valid that is, but it's an idea.
Interesting thought. Don't get me wrong, I am quite happy with the progress to date. If the progession continued ta this pace (I realize it won't) I'd be unbelievably strong and, presumably, the corresponding muscle would fill out nicely. Basically, I have added 20 pounds to each working set. That's not unheard off from one w/o to the next but continuous over 6 weeks ud ridiculous. Imaging if I gained 120 pounds on all my lifts in 6 weeks?
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damn lucky asses with there 1-test talk, did i ever tell you guys how much i hate you?
j/k of course.
Rob/TP,
what're your plans for post cycle therapy? How long, how much, and what will you be taking?
j/k of course.
Rob/TP,
what're your plans for post cycle therapy? How long, how much, and what will you be taking?
I am going to do six on and 4 off.
I am going to cut back on volume SIGNIFICANTLY for 2 weeks then do my old volume/frequency for 2 weeks.
Drop cals from 4000 to 3000 then to 2500.
Use 6-Oxo and ECA, and creatine. And pray that I can keep all my gains!
I am going to cut back on volume SIGNIFICANTLY for 2 weeks then do my old volume/frequency for 2 weeks.
Drop cals from 4000 to 3000 then to 2500.
Use 6-Oxo and ECA, and creatine. And pray that I can keep all my gains!
TP.....are you going to load you creatine or just start up how ever many g`s you take during a normal "cycle" of it.
Sorry to do this in your thread Rob....I will probably load. I know the debates over whether this works or not. Personally, I don't have an opinion on whether its necessary, but I can afford the extra few dollars, so I'll load.
Here's a quote from an earlier post in this thread:
The training ethic will be implemented for the week after the cycle ends and the EC/nicotine/calories/carbs will be for two weeks.
Or if my cycle lasts longer, i may opt for training protocol to stem for 2 weeks and the EC/nic/cals/carbs to last 3 or 4. Taking at least weekends off from nicotine, or doing a 2-3 on, 2 off approach.
The training ethic will be implemented for the week after the cycle ends and the EC/nicotine/calories/carbs will be for two weeks.
Or if my cycle lasts longer, i may opt for training protocol to stem for 2 weeks and the EC/nic/cals/carbs to last 3 or 4. Taking at least weekends off from nicotine, or doing a 2-3 on, 2 off approach.
Cool....yeah, sorry TCD 
Dude, you really should do 'off', whatever you do 'on'. So 6 on, 6 weeks off.
And i hope you're not going to drop calories down to 3000 straight away. Lest ye not forget, after another 5 weeks you're probably gonna be bordering on the 220 mark, and 3000kcals ain't gonna aid you in maintaining your gains. I'd say do 3500kcals for a few weeks after the diet (depending on your size and weight of course - if you're heavier then eat more) before considering dropping calories even further. At the minute you're 214 eating 4000kcals or so, which is about 18kcals per lb. If your weight goes up more, you're gonna have to bump calories up a bit in correspondance. Try and keep the cals in the 18-20 per lb region.
re: loading. Do it. There's nothing wrong with loading, providing it's not the loading strategy advocated by the supplement companies. About 2-3 days of 5g twice to thrice daily works fine. No need for the 20g a day for 5 days nonsense.
Maybe I'll keep cals at 3500 for two weeks than go down to 3000. We shall see. You know about my fat phobia.
I saw somewhere (1fast400 I think) that 6 on 4 off was ok). That works well because I could start a second cycle after the new year. You feel strongly about this?
Usually I TAKE 10g per day and load with 20, you think thats too much? What brand so you use?
I saw somewhere (1fast400 I think) that 6 on 4 off was ok). That works well because I could start a second cycle after the new year. You feel strongly about this?
Usually I TAKE 10g per day and load with 20, you think thats too much? What brand so you use?
Cool, I was hoping you'd like it.
Good thread Robboe...when i get a chance I'll read it from start to finish. I never really read much info on NHE in the past, and also the info on 1-Test should be cool to read as well. Who knows...maybe one day when I bulk I'll give it a try.
I'm not sure if this has been stated already or not, but I just wondering, if you have a reliable source for the illegal variation, why pay more for the legal one, of course assuming you are not too fearful of being caught? I am guessing that the reason 1-Test is sold legally is because of the transport system. I guess the stigman of injecting will forever be attributed to "controlled" substances, yet when they bring out a variation with a different transport, it's suddenly "ok". That's my initial take...but haven't done much reading on it yet.
Strongly?
Hmmm...maybe. If you want to ensure all of your gains are kept then yeah, i'd really advise it. After any more than about 2 weeks of the 1-T and your HPTA will be shutting down, so you really need time to allow it to regenerate afterwards.
6 on, 4 off may be ok, but if it was me i'd still take the same amount of time off as on.
My creatine is just plain monohydrate.
I don't load, although i really should if i want to see results start quicker (strength wise). But if i do load i do it in 5g doses (i've read somewhere about too much creatine at once, but it's probably BS, and i read it a while ago so i've no idea where it was from) thrice daily (so morning, evening, night) and i do it for 2-3 days. Once you're at saturation point there's little need to keep loading. And since i eat red meat quite regularly i get creatine from that too.
The 20g a day for 5 days thing really is a concept stretched by supp companies to make you go through your supply quicker so you'll be buying sooner.
But yeah, i don't take creatine every day, only after training, so i take about 10g at a time with my dex/whey shake.
The brand is bodyfortress, and i use it cause i can get it extremely cheap (1kg for like 20 squids). I've had the same tub for over a year now. I have no idea of the shelf life for the stuff though.
Hmmm...maybe. If you want to ensure all of your gains are kept then yeah, i'd really advise it. After any more than about 2 weeks of the 1-T and your HPTA will be shutting down, so you really need time to allow it to regenerate afterwards.
6 on, 4 off may be ok, but if it was me i'd still take the same amount of time off as on.
My creatine is just plain monohydrate.
I don't load, although i really should if i want to see results start quicker (strength wise). But if i do load i do it in 5g doses (i've read somewhere about too much creatine at once, but it's probably BS, and i read it a while ago so i've no idea where it was from) thrice daily (so morning, evening, night) and i do it for 2-3 days. Once you're at saturation point there's little need to keep loading. And since i eat red meat quite regularly i get creatine from that too.
The 20g a day for 5 days thing really is a concept stretched by supp companies to make you go through your supply quicker so you'll be buying sooner.
But yeah, i don't take creatine every day, only after training, so i take about 10g at a time with my dex/whey shake.
The brand is bodyfortress, and i use it cause i can get it extremely cheap (1kg for like 20 squids). I've had the same tub for over a year now. I have no idea of the shelf life for the stuff though.
Originally posted by ~LP~
Cool, I was hoping you'd like it.
Good thread Robboe...when i get a chance I'll read it from start to finish. I never really read much info on NHE in the past, and also the info on 1-Test should be cool to read as well. Who knows...maybe one day when I bulk I'll give it a try.
I'm not sure if this has been stated already or not, but I just wondering, if you have a reliable source for the illegal variation, why pay more for the legal one, of course assuming you are not too fearful of being caught? I am guessing that the reason 1-Test is sold legally is because of the transport system. I guess the stigman of injecting will forever be attributed to "controlled" substances, yet when they bring out a variation with a different transport, it's suddenly "ok". That's my initial take...but haven't done much reading on it yet.
Hey Pete, yeah some one beat you to the punch. I've already explained, i'm not mentally prepared to stick myself yet, so TD Apps are the next best thing.
But you're very correct on the rest. Especially that part when you said that you are a complete tosspot.
Yan:
No, yes, yes.
Although the latter may be extended slightly (by maybe a week or so) just to finish the bottle, if that is the case, since a one week cycle sounds pointless.
No, yes, yes.
Although the latter may be extended slightly (by maybe a week or so) just to finish the bottle, if that is the case, since a one week cycle sounds pointless.
TCD....any reason you aren`t going with the general 6-oxo ??
