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The NHE and ONE - cut and bulk
- Thread starter Robboe
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Random ramblings:
1. I'm pissed that i've run out of cottage cheese.
2. This kids cereal tastes ace.
3. 'Answering Bell' by Ryan Adams is a great track.
4. Candlebox are quite brilliant.
1. I'm pissed that i've run out of cottage cheese.
2. This kids cereal tastes ace.
3. 'Answering Bell' by Ryan Adams is a great track.
4. Candlebox are quite brilliant.
Today is the last day of application of this first two week cycle. I'm now gonna spend at least 2 weeks making sure i keep all my gains, via shorter training sessions, lower volume, shy of failure training, EC throughout the day, keeping protein and carbs up (i.e. no low carbs), nicotine gum and extra zinc.
I weighed myself today 3lbs heavier than last week. Probably because my metabolic rate was higher after the weight gain from the first week and i never really amended calories as i should have.
So i took 20 weeks getting from 220lbs to 195lbs, and three weeks to get 0.5lb heavier than my old weight lol. What a transaction. So yes, i am now 220.5lbs.
Fat gain is hard to judge. By the end of the night i look like i'm in the third trimester, but first thing in the morning i look reasonably leaner. Almost (but not quite) as lean as i was at the end of the cut 3 weeks back.
I do expect to weigh in lighter within the next few days, purely based on less food retention overall. When i get back from the gym later i'm gonna workout where to reduce calories. I'm gonna work down to 3500, which is slightly above maintence level at this weight.
I'm still considering doing a short cut soon too. There's about 7 weeks till christmas, so i may do these next two weeks recovering from ONE and maybe adding a lb here and there and then do a short 3-4 week cut down to 210-215 (i'm expecting a short drop from less food remember) and then do a further gain, probably using ONE again after christmas. I'll just play it by ear most likely.
I weighed myself today 3lbs heavier than last week. Probably because my metabolic rate was higher after the weight gain from the first week and i never really amended calories as i should have.
So i took 20 weeks getting from 220lbs to 195lbs, and three weeks to get 0.5lb heavier than my old weight lol. What a transaction. So yes, i am now 220.5lbs.
Fat gain is hard to judge. By the end of the night i look like i'm in the third trimester, but first thing in the morning i look reasonably leaner. Almost (but not quite) as lean as i was at the end of the cut 3 weeks back.
I do expect to weigh in lighter within the next few days, purely based on less food retention overall. When i get back from the gym later i'm gonna workout where to reduce calories. I'm gonna work down to 3500, which is slightly above maintence level at this weight.
I'm still considering doing a short cut soon too. There's about 7 weeks till christmas, so i may do these next two weeks recovering from ONE and maybe adding a lb here and there and then do a short 3-4 week cut down to 210-215 (i'm expecting a short drop from less food remember) and then do a further gain, probably using ONE again after christmas. I'll just play it by ear most likely.
Hard to judge really.
I wasn't expecting to put that much weight on with the amount of calories i was eating, so i can guarantee it's not all fat gain. Not that much fat gain really, depending on what time during the day you catch me.
I guess a better assessment will be made when i try and gain without it. And then when i go back on it.
I say it's hard to judge due to me coming off a low carb diet and moving onto a carb-based one.
Strength hasn't really been that spectacular at all, in all honesty. Nothing i doubt i couldn't have made in 3 weeks or so without it. I have set a few new PB in the short time using the stuff, but my strength was always hovering around those regions during the cut, so i'm not surprised i've surpassed them when i moved back into cal surplus and carbs.
Back day: no time for figures:
WG chins: 3 sets (progression on these is a bastard due to my sudden weight gain. the weight i attach to myself has gone down. My neck pain is also still there and was bothering me so i never really pushed myself 101%).
BB rows: hit a new PB
3 sets.
CG pulldowns: 2 sets, with the second being a drop set. Progressed by a few reps on both sets.
Low pulley row: 2 sets, again a drop set on second set. Progressed by 2 reps first set and 3 second.
No shrugs due to aforementioned neck pain.
Finished up with some calf work (not noted).
Tomorrow i have chest. I haven't worked out the new calories yet, but if i don't get around to it, i'll just...eat less, basically
I'm good at judging stuff.
I wasn't expecting to put that much weight on with the amount of calories i was eating, so i can guarantee it's not all fat gain. Not that much fat gain really, depending on what time during the day you catch me.
I guess a better assessment will be made when i try and gain without it. And then when i go back on it.
I say it's hard to judge due to me coming off a low carb diet and moving onto a carb-based one.
Strength hasn't really been that spectacular at all, in all honesty. Nothing i doubt i couldn't have made in 3 weeks or so without it. I have set a few new PB in the short time using the stuff, but my strength was always hovering around those regions during the cut, so i'm not surprised i've surpassed them when i moved back into cal surplus and carbs.
Back day: no time for figures:
WG chins: 3 sets (progression on these is a bastard due to my sudden weight gain. the weight i attach to myself has gone down. My neck pain is also still there and was bothering me so i never really pushed myself 101%).
BB rows: hit a new PB
3 sets.CG pulldowns: 2 sets, with the second being a drop set. Progressed by a few reps on both sets.
Low pulley row: 2 sets, again a drop set on second set. Progressed by 2 reps first set and 3 second.
No shrugs due to aforementioned neck pain.
Finished up with some calf work (not noted).
Tomorrow i have chest. I haven't worked out the new calories yet, but if i don't get around to it, i'll just...eat less, basically
I'm good at judging stuff.
Did chest earlier.
Great session in fact.
BB bench: 100k - 8 (up 3 from last week)
102.5k - 5 (equalled a PB)
Decline machine press: progressed. It's a poorly designed machine so you gotta use a large weight to provide adequate resistance so i'll not bother typing the weight i used, cause it sounds very unlikely. 2 sets.
Incline DB press: 2 sets. 40k's for 9 reps then 8.
Cables, progressed.
Great pump, great session overall.
Started the EC, nicotine, extra E, extra Zinc today.
calories are gonna be lower but nothing i've officially worked out yet.
Great session in fact.
BB bench: 100k - 8 (up 3 from last week)
102.5k - 5 (equalled a PB)
Decline machine press: progressed. It's a poorly designed machine so you gotta use a large weight to provide adequate resistance so i'll not bother typing the weight i used, cause it sounds very unlikely. 2 sets.
Incline DB press: 2 sets. 40k's for 9 reps then 8.
Cables, progressed.
Great pump, great session overall.
Started the EC, nicotine, extra E, extra Zinc today.
calories are gonna be lower but nothing i've officially worked out yet.
Legs went great.
Squats: 3 sets. progressed on all.
SLDL's: 2 sets, set PB's on both.
Leg press: 2 sets, progressed on both.
Leg curl: 2 sets, progressed on first and kept weight static for second.
~Toasted~
Squats: 3 sets. progressed on all.
SLDL's: 2 sets, set PB's on both.
Leg press: 2 sets, progressed on both.
Leg curl: 2 sets, progressed on first and kept weight static for second.
~Toasted~
Extremely good delt/arm workout. Progressed on all. Numbers later if i have time and can be arsed.
No need for chocolate/protein bars today cause i have plenty of time to get down all my calories.
My body is in an extremely anabolic state right now, and Rob is loving every minute of it.
No need for chocolate/protein bars today cause i have plenty of time to get down all my calories.
My body is in an extremely anabolic state right now, and Rob is loving every minute of it.
Hi Rob,
Sounds like things are going well in here...
Sounds like things are going well
in here...
TCD.....I believe TP asked you in the other thread, but it got lost amoungst dg`s posts, but what kind of results did you get with SU/UA, and how did you go about cycling it?
TIA
TIA
Started low and worked my way way up.
started with 500mg for a few days, then 750 for a few more then 1g for a few days.
In the last 2 days of use i used 1.25g and was about to move up to 1.5g before i noticed the rash and quit straight away.
I told myself before starting it not to go stupid with it, and now looking back i realise (but didn't then) that i went totally against my own advice.
Next use i'll not top 1g.
I only used for 12 days, but the idea is to use for a bit longer to really see decent results (although some see good results very quick).
The results were nothing magnificent. I suppose a longer duration would have proved better, but i quit once i saw the rash.
started with 500mg for a few days, then 750 for a few more then 1g for a few days.
In the last 2 days of use i used 1.25g and was about to move up to 1.5g before i noticed the rash and quit straight away.
I told myself before starting it not to go stupid with it, and now looking back i realise (but didn't then) that i went totally against my own advice.
Next use i'll not top 1g.
I only used for 12 days, but the idea is to use for a bit longer to really see decent results (although some see good results very quick).
The results were nothing magnificent. I suppose a longer duration would have proved better, but i quit once i saw the rash.
TCD....do you have any links laying around where I could catch myself up on it?
Oh well.....guess I`ll need to search myself then 
lol
BTW....are you one of those people that gets rashes etc easily?
lolBTW....are you one of those people that gets rashes etc easily?
So the ONE hasn`t caused you any discomfort or irritations at all?
Certain deoderats give me rashes, as well as one washing powder, so I`m kinda paranoid about buying it is all! lol
Certain deoderats give me rashes, as well as one washing powder, so I`m kinda paranoid about buying it is all! lol
You may be allergic to enzymes.
All i got from one was a few more localised spots.
Trained back earlier.
8 sets, three exercises.
Progressed on two. The first i didn't cause i did the pulldown as opposed to chins, since some dick was using the chin bar.
Weighed in at 216lbs today, which is down 4.5lbs from last week. So that's one week off the ONE.
Reasoning: eating less food, eating less carbs, so less food and water retention.
Right, now i need to decide whether to go to this seminar thingie at 7pm.
All i got from one was a few more localised spots.
Trained back earlier.
8 sets, three exercises.
Progressed on two. The first i didn't cause i did the pulldown as opposed to chins, since some dick was using the chin bar.
Weighed in at 216lbs today, which is down 4.5lbs from last week. So that's one week off the ONE.
Reasoning: eating less food, eating less carbs, so less food and water retention.
Right, now i need to decide whether to go to this seminar thingie at 7pm.
