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Is this the proper first cycle, because I have done much research and I am asking people on this forum for their experiences and I am getting different answers from everyone. As should be because everyone is different. So this is what I was given by someone on the forums. Is this correct???? If not what to add and what to take out, thanks guys. 1-12 Test E 500mg/wk
1-12 Adex .25 -.5 eod

PCT starts week 14
75/75/50/50
Adex .5 EOD or aromasin @ 25mg/ed
 
Weeks 12-14 u still take adex

75/75/50/50 of what?

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The clomid is taken everyday according from what I heard from others. Is that right?
 
Cycle looks fine....pct looks fine...you are correct we are all different...there is always trail and error with AAS...just try to limit the error side..

My best advice is get labs per cycle....mid cycle and post pct...this is the holy grail of info for future cycles..
 
Thanks you guys this help is greatly appreciated, this is my first cycle and Im trying my best not to mess things up. Sure mistakes happen, but I am trying to prevent that as much as possible. So how do you get the online blood work done? Do you just send in your information?
 
Order/buy lab/blood work online. Choose location. Go to location and get blood drawn. Check inbox for results.

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Awesome, to good to be true... lol. Do you need to give them personal information? Also is it cheaper if you do this or go to a clinic??
 
Awesome, to good to be true... lol. Do you need to give them personal information? Also is it cheaper if you do this or go to a clinic??

Some personal information is needed, but its really not a big deal as they dont know why you a running select tests. unless you have great insurance and a doc who will order any test you want, this is the cheapest option and most reliable option I have ever used.

Almost 75% of the members here that post up blood work, use that site.
 
I would say the cycle is conservative and safe. Not my style. But to each his own
 
I would say the cycle is conservative and safe. Not my style. But to each his own

Its his first cycle, Test Only has time and time again proven to be a very effective first cycle. We all started somewhere.
 
Well said bro, it's better to star safe see what you body can handle and go from there, all my cycles have been simple and with great results. One step at a time.
 
I don't understand the point of testing the waters.. Testosterone only cycles are usually pretty underwhelming.. I also don't believe one must earn the right to run strong compounds by first running weaker compounds or that one must know all there is to know about diet and training before using.


i was taught.. You wanna get lean?
test prop tren ace ananavar

you wanna get big
test deca dbol

you are already lean and want to grow and stay lean.....

tren primo eq low test..


Thats from the monsters at my gym not the Internet.. And not once did they talk about their great diet or training. Just more drugsdrugs
 
That may very well be true, but your assuming everyone's body and chemistry is the same and this shit isn't candy off the shelf. What if you start shooting yourself up with 3 or 4 compounds and have a reaction and cant figure out which is the cause? Then you have to stop everything and try one at a time which then wastes your money and time. Had a friend that did things the smart way and ran testE first cycle, then his next cycle was TestE/EQ and then his third cycle which is in prep for a show he ran TestE/EQ/Tren A and after about 1 week broke out with a rash all over his body, I'm talking head to toe!! He pulled the Tren and within a few days the rash began to go away and he continued on TestE/EQ. Earlier this year we got TrenA from a different sponsor and we both ran it and again just running TrenA/TestE he broke out in the same type rash while I had no issues at all. Bottom line, his body does not react well to Tren.
 
Okay ill take your advice and give the online blood test a shot because unfortunately my doctor is not the nicest guy I know (Getting a new doctor), and I am starting with test e only for many reasons, specifically one of the reasons was stated by @aja44 I cant risk starting with to many drugs. What kind of gains do you guys think I will get from this cycle?? (I know its very hard to tell) But a ballpark number....:thinking:
 
Okay ill take your advice and give the online blood test a shot because unfortunately my doctor is not the nicest guy I know (Getting a new doctor), and I am starting with test e only for many reasons, specifically one of the reasons was stated by @aja44 I cant risk starting with to many drugs. What kind of gains do you guys think I will get from this cycle?? (I know its very hard to tell) But a ballpark number....:thinking:

Good choice. You can consider a kick start oral to take the slightly boring wait for the test to really take effect.

Adding in an oral is still within the first cycle recommendation. But test e alone still will be great.

Gains will vary but on a test e only maybe 9-15 lbs since it is your first cycle. Maybe more. Maybe less.

If you do consider an oral, Dbol, super dmz, are great choices.

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I don't understand the point of testing the waters.. Testosterone only cycles are usually pretty underwhelming.. I also don't believe one must earn the right to run strong compounds by first running weaker compounds or that one must know all there is to know about diet and training before using.

i was taught.. You wanna get lean?
test prop tren ace ananavar

you wanna get big
test deca dbol

you are already lean and want to grow and stay lean.....

tren primo eq low test..

Thats from the monsters at my gym not the Internet.. And not once did they talk about their great diet or training. Just more drugsdrugs
I agree with the cycle info in this post. If the OP has never done any prohormones or oral only cycles, 500mg week of test should give nice gains. But me personally I recommend doing 25-35mg of dbol for the first four weeks, while waiting for that test to kick in. A beginner is not going to want to use short esters, so a dbol jumpstart will give the new user some gains almost immediately while waiting for the test to kick in.

But this is what I was taught or learned from my own experience....

You wanna get lean? Reduce calories, for me a CKD diet is the ticket
test prop, tren ace, anavar (this is exactly my current cycle)

you wanna get big, add 350-500 extra calories a day, mainly clean food, but some fast food a few times a week is fine. If you level out on that, then add another 350-500 extra calories, and so on and so forth.
test deca dbol (perfect)

you are already lean and want to grow and stay lean..... Pretty much stay at maintenance with occasional calorie boosts.
tren primo eq low test..
I like tren ace, primo-e, mast-e, and moderate test.

In any case though, you can bulk or cut no matter which stack you use. Obviously, that probably isn't the best approach..... but if you do a test prop, tren ace, and anavar cycle but plow through 5000-7500 calories a day, guess what? You ain't going to be cutting. Likewise, if you do the famed test, deca, dbol stack, but drop your calories 800-1000 a week, you aren't going to gain shit.

Search the internet on Dorian Yates. A monster if I've ever seen one, and he has some pretty decent diet advice. Food is more anabolic then steroids.... If you stop eating food, you will waste away and die. If you stop eating food and take 5 grams of steroids a week, you will still waste away and die.
 
A lot of valuable information, thanks guys. Okay so you guys recommend an oral since I am only doing Test E and it is my FIRST cycle? @OldSchoolLifter you said 9-15 lbs is that total weight or lean mass?? Also if I add Dbol for the first month will it make a small difference or big difference compared to just a Test E cycle?? And what kind of a "jumpstart" is Dbol going to give me, how quick? You guys managed to arouse my curiosity.... lol
 
A lot of valuable information, thanks guys. Okay so you guys recommend an oral since I am only doing Test E and it is my FIRST cycle? @OldSchoolLifter you said 9-15 lbs is that total weight or lean mass?? Also if I add Dbol for the first month will it make a small difference or big difference compared to just a Test E cycle?? And what kind of a "jumpstart" is Dbol going to give me, how quick? You guys managed to arouse my curiosity.... lol

9-15 is total weight but you will most likely lose fat and gain muscle so that 9-15 is very nice. Also that range is broad I've see many gain 20+ on test alone.

The dbol kick start is like experiencing the full effects of test right away, it is actually just fine to take with the test as your first cycle. Its not uncommon for someone new to AAS. To run dbol for 4 weeks along side their test e.

Gains with dbol in the mix @ 40mg ed would increase your gains dramatically. While not causing really any adverse affects. But of you do add dbol, which against is great and fine to do. Your aromasin or ai will be a must to stay somewhat dry, and ensure the gains your making are more muscle then water.

You could do this.

1-12 Test E 500mg
1-4 dbol 40mg/ed
1-pct aromasin 25mg/ed or adex .5mg/eod

You would really enjoy the above cycle.

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Also the jump start is around 2-3 days quick.

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I have done a fair amount of research and I have to say I really like how you put things short sweet simple and straight to the point, thanks @OldSchoolLifter its greatly appreciated. So, since the Dbol is oral I know I have to take liver cleaners, what do you take? Also do you have any bad side effects? The side effects that I am most worried about is gyno, hair loss (hair is thick, Im just paranoid), and my testes shrinking.... Yeah so does the above cycle help prevent against that kind of stuff? For you atleast...:geewhiz:
 
I have done a fair amount of research and I have to say I really like how you put things short sweet simple and straight to the point, thanks @OldSchoolLifter its greatly appreciated. So, since the Dbol is oral I know I have to take liver cleaners, what do you take? Also do you have any bad side effects? The side effects that I am most worried about is gyno, hair loss (hair is thick, Im just paranoid), and my testes shrinking.... Yeah so does the above cycle help prevent against that kind of stuff? For you atleast...:geewhiz:

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Side affects will be minimal for the laid out cycle, again as long as your diet is pretty decent and your e2 is in check, you will have a very nice experience. I try to keep answers simple for many to understand, but it would just as easy to go into the science behind how gear works and affects your body, hpta, lipid profile and so on. Your testicles will probably decrease in size slightly, but that is a given even on test only, but after pct all things should be back in fine order.

Also can I PM you if I need something?

PM me any time, here to help.
 
Yeah I was actually looking at that stuff, now that I have heard a good experience I think my mind is set on it. Thanks man I think Im ready to start my cycle in a couple of weeks and I will PM you for some personal questions. Thanks @OldSchoolLifter
 
Your aromasin or ai will be a must to stay somewhat dry, and ensure the gains your making are more muscle then water.
OSL has given you great advice. Let me emphasize the importance of using an AI if you do decide to use dbol. Dbol heavily aromatizes into estrogen causing water retention and really increases your chance of getting gyno symptoms. Using a good quality AI should eliminate this problem. I also like to have tamoxifen (nolvadex) on hand just in case gyno symptoms do arise.
 
9-15 is total weight but you will most likely lose fat and gain muscle so that 9-15 is very nice. Also that range is broad I've see many gain 20+ on test alone.

The dbol kick start is like experiencing the full effects of test right away, it is actually just fine to take with the test as your first cycle. Its not uncommon for someone new to AAS. To run dbol for 4 weeks along side their test e.

Gains with dbol in the mix @ 40mg ed would increase your gains dramatically. While not causing really any adverse affects. But of you do add dbol, which against is great and fine to do. Your aromasin or ai will be a must to stay somewhat dry, and ensure the gains your making are more muscle then water.

You could do this.

1-12 Test E 500mg
1-4 dbol 40mg/ed
1-pct aromasin 25mg/ed or adex .5mg/eod

You would really enjoy the above cycle.

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I'm not a fan of dbol because of the water retention and I become very aggressive and moody on it. I like to kickstart my Test E/C cycles with Test Prop for 4 weeks instead, what I'm planning to do for my next cycle. Feel it within 7-10 days, keeps the water out as long as I'm eating clean and mentally I feel much better. LOL
 
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