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Theoretical approach to countering squashed Estrogen

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Lets say someone squashed their e levels down to nil and there were suffering its ill effects (libido issues, joint pain, etc etc)

Could taking DHEA produce enough estrogen to make things comfortable again? if its the mother hormone and produces what the body is lacking, would this work?

I know one could just taper back the AI and things would normalize by itself in time. But would DHEA be a hasty fix for such an event?

Thoughts?
 
I read something fairly recently that using AI's causes a vitamin D deficiency, and that's what causes joint pain. Supplementing with 10,000 iu's a day was reccomended I'll see if I can find any more data on this though if its true.

I think a fairly foolproof way would be to pin some hcg and TNE, or maybe dbol instead of tne. HCG I believe causes you to produce more aromatase enzyme on top of making more test. So then you add a little more of a quickly aromatizable compound like no ester test or dbol and that should bring estro up quickly no?
 
Digitalash said:
I read something fairly recently that using AI's causes a vitamin D deficiency, and that's what causes joint pain. Supplementing with 10,000 iu's a day was reccomended I'll see if I can find any more data on this though if its true.

I think a fairly foolproof way would be to pin some hcg and TNE, or maybe dbol instead of tne. HCG I believe causes you to produce more aromatase enzyme on top of making more test. So then you add a little more of a quickly aromatizable compound like no ester test or dbol and that should bring estro up quickly no?
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Good idea in theory, but I'm just guessing he is in PCT no?

I'd say taper the AI/SERM off, works for me.
 
Your estro will always be low in pct, as it should. You have no or very little testosterone to convert and most use an AI on top of that, suppressing estrogen and blocking it at the receptor is the whole point of using pct drugs.
 
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SFW said:
Lets say someone squashed their e levels down to nil and there were suffering its ill effects (libido issues, joint pain, etc etc)

Could taking DHEA produce enough estrogen to make things comfortable again? if its the mother hormone and produces what the body is lacking, would this work?

I know one could just taper back the AI and things would normalize by itself in time. But would DHEA be a hasty fix for such an event?

Thoughts?
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AI's will not allow dhea to be coverted to e2....the ring must be aromatized to turn to e2, regardless of whether you are starting from dhea, cholesterol, test....
 
Digitalash said:
I read something fairly recently that using AI's causes a vitamin D deficiency, and that's what causes joint pain. Supplementing with 10,000 iu's a day was reccomended I'll see if I can find any more data on this though if its true.

I think a fairly foolproof way would be to pin some hcg and TNE, or maybe dbol instead of tne. HCG I believe causes you to produce more aromatase enzyme on top of making more test. So then you add a little more of a quickly aromatizable compound like no ester test or dbol and that should bring estro up quickly no?
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dbol aromatizes to a methylated estrogen though... which, like methylated test , is a much stronger estrogen, with way more sides....
 
SFW... if you can take clomid, it may help... it is a serm, but should posses enough estro properties(it is a synthetic estro) to rid you of most of your issues quickly(then you can decide from there where to take it... but hcg will cause you to produce estro as long as you don't have an AI in there...
you aren't taking cytadren or anything like that are you?
 
No, im only using aromasin as an AI. My e is fine i suppose. It was a hypothetical. But just wondering if someone did squash it too low, what would be a quick fix.
 
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HCG also causes you to produce more aromatase enzyme though correct so it should cause more estrogen conversion than your current dose of AI is allowing?

I mentioned dbol just because it's more convenient than pinning, but I guess if you're usin hcg anyway. I know it's a methylated form of estro but have no idea if it still has some of the positive properties of estradiol.

I think if low E2 was really causing an issue just pinning a fairly good dose of test base would raise it quickly. Adding some hcg in there would probably help even more?
 
SFW said:
No, im only using aromasin as an AI. My e is fine i suppose. It was a hypothetical. But just wondering if someone did squash it too low, what would be a quick fix.
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I suppose one could use methandriol dipropionate then, too... since it's theoretical..(thought you needed a quick solution)...
methandriol dipropionate will attach to the ER and exhibit mild estro effects, and at the same time, binds with a higher affinity, to SHBG than most aas, as well as higher affinity than e2....
so you would free up e2(what little there is in your system) from binding globulin and allow for it to go to work... alongside the mild estro effects of the methandriol...(plus, any other aas you have in your system will be freed up to a great degree also, allowing them to be more 'available' to the AR...
I don't know if it (methandriol) will cross the blood/brain barrier to exhibit estro effects as far as serotonin and whatnot...but, now that I've brought it to mind.. I am going to look into it.. I'll post back what I find..
 
Things, they are going over my head at a high rate of speed lol.... There is only one kind of E that is good and it comes in different color tablets with things stamped on them and stupid names.

Take 2 of those and you should be G2G ;)
 
you could take a birth control pill I guess.... probably a much lower dose at least if its the estradiol kind?
 
A lot of UK pharms that sell serms and ai's sell things like progestin and estroidal (sp) pills for birth control and whatever the hell else you would use it for. Can't imagine a BB'er on cycle takin them tho lol.. I'd just stop the ai and pin some tne but in theory I guess you could take some birth control?
 
I dunno I probably wouldn't reccomend it, but I suppose it would work for a little while at least. If it doesn't at least you'll have a nice perky set of tits to play with
 
ya no wonder your tits are so small bro, birth control pills are the future :P
 
heavyiron said:
AI's clear very fast in males. Just skip a dose.
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What if the guy was using letro as his primary on-cycle AI? :thinking: I know it takes much longer to kick in over other AI's. Does it take longer to clear as well?
 
half life of letro is pretty long, I'm not sure what it is in males but I'm sure it's still longer than adex. Aromasin is very short
 
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