i seriously think you should see her and either confirm or bust the myths.
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To date a stripper or not to date a stripper, that is the question
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I've had these same fantasies about some of my managers and I work in an office. What's your point?
Maybe it's different there, but in Vancouver you can't touch the strippers.
So... the job did this to her, or she was like this already?
Something legal where she pays taxes?
Better than living off welfare and dealing drugs on the side.
So... because you respect women so much, you don't feel they should be allowed to rent out their time for money in general (that is to say, work for a living), or only in this particular occupation?
So do you place a monetary value on what other people do for a living?
Do you feel it cheapens a physician that he or she gets paid for his or her time and services?
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This is a horseshit/kneejerk response. These women are not sold into slavery, or being forced to dance naked. They are choosing to do it to make a good living. How in the hell is that men taking advantage of women? I would argue the exact opposite, that strippers are taking advantage of our desire to see them naked. Well not really, but strippers are NOT victims, they are providing a service willingly, to generate an income that they may not be able to accomplish otherwise.
Everyone recognizes that women are being taken advantage of by WILLINGLY taking off their clothes and dancing around men for MONEY?!
Pfffffttttt....
economic need is a form of coercion. there are way too many examples of the circumstances that put these women in these situations to point to the few outliers of "women paying for college". the vast majority of these women have had psychological traumas that cause them to not value themselves. the funny thing about stereotypes is that they are born of a bit of truth. i truthfully don't know why i bothered typing this.
It sure as hell is.
If I didn't need the money, I wouldn't humiliate myself by working for a living, I tell you what!
ive never once gone to work and felt humiliated for working for a living. ive never had to be ashamed for what i do.
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I left a job that I enjoyed for a job that pays better.
I am not happy at my job, but damn it brings in the pay. I guess my decision was really coersion, and my company is taking advantage of me.
These women could just as easily (assuming no education) wait tables, work in a factory, fast food, etc etc etc. They CHOOSE the lifestyle because of the money it puts in their purses. There is nothing wrong with this, and they shouldn't be judged for doing it. These women make good money, and would probably be a bit offended at your sympathy.
And being ashamed of what you do? What makes you think that they are either? Shame is subjective. If you aren't held back by other peoples stereotypes and stigmas you shouldn't be ashamed of what you do in relation to some strangers morality.
A stripper may not come right out and say that they are a stripper, and some of them may BE ashamed, but I would wager that the majority of them hide what they do to avoid being judged and pitied by someone with a different moral compass.
I am not happy at my job, but damn it brings in the pay. I guess my decision was really coersion, and my company is taking advantage of me.
These women could just as easily (assuming no education) wait tables, work in a factory, fast food, etc etc etc. They CHOOSE the lifestyle because of the money it puts in their purses. There is nothing wrong with this, and they shouldn't be judged for doing it. These women make good money, and would probably be a bit offended at your sympathy.
And being ashamed of what you do? What makes you think that they are either? Shame is subjective. If you aren't held back by other peoples stereotypes and stigmas you shouldn't be ashamed of what you do in relation to some strangers morality.
A stripper may not come right out and say that they are a stripper, and some of them may BE ashamed, but I would wager that the majority of them hide what they do to avoid being judged and pitied by someone with a different moral compass.
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Another thought I just had:
I would venture to say that YOU are being much more demeaning to women than the average guy in the strip club. He is there to enjoy the show, give the lady some money, and go on his merry way.
You are basically stating that the only women who strip are either intellectually/physically/mentally unable to do anything else to make this money (your coersion argument), or are simply headcases with some sort of trauma in their lives.
Pigeonholing women into your perceived morality isn't flattering. Today's woman can pursue almost any avenue of career. Goverment assistance is available for even the most financially hard off woman to go to school and learn a trade. Single mothers have MANY programs to turn to in furtherance of their education.
And even if their ARE a few strippers out there who for whatever reason simply CANNOT do anything else for money, there are men just as badly off. A man or woman in this position will do what they have to do to achieve their goals and live a decent life, and they don't need your pity. The only difference between them is, male stripping isnt nearly as large of an industry. Do you feel that women are taking advantage of the Chippendales?
If I could make a living taking off my clothes...I would be one naked mofo.
I would venture to say that YOU are being much more demeaning to women than the average guy in the strip club. He is there to enjoy the show, give the lady some money, and go on his merry way.
You are basically stating that the only women who strip are either intellectually/physically/mentally unable to do anything else to make this money (your coersion argument), or are simply headcases with some sort of trauma in their lives.
Pigeonholing women into your perceived morality isn't flattering. Today's woman can pursue almost any avenue of career. Goverment assistance is available for even the most financially hard off woman to go to school and learn a trade. Single mothers have MANY programs to turn to in furtherance of their education.
And even if their ARE a few strippers out there who for whatever reason simply CANNOT do anything else for money, there are men just as badly off. A man or woman in this position will do what they have to do to achieve their goals and live a decent life, and they don't need your pity. The only difference between them is, male stripping isnt nearly as large of an industry. Do you feel that women are taking advantage of the Chippendales?
If I could make a living taking off my clothes...I would be one naked mofo.
i think i'm FAR from being alone in my opinion that she was like that already and for the most part that is the caliber of woman the job attracts. i haven't known any healthy strippers just train wrecks. like a woman that was fighting with her bf and tried to smash her head through a window and just bounced off. twice
. a crack head too old for the job with flabby arms and a baby baggy gut that is marrying a total creepy loser because he has money and her looks are shot. rena used to complain about guys trying to finger a feel when they slid the money in her panties and she coped with it by getting drunker n drunker at work. a woman that abandoned her baby and drove to denver to get a better job stripping. i just don't personally know of even 1 mentally healthy stripper.maybe i've only encountered the seedier side and there's a really glamorous classy side of it i'm missing. there are no high class strip places anywhere near where i live.
i've had jobs where i literally had to clean human shit off people's bodies or clothes and i never felt humiliated. i was helping people who could not help themselves, was damn proud of it, and went home tired in a good way from earning an honest living.
to make some creep horny for money would really be disgusting to me. creep = some guy i don't want to fuck that's taking a sexual shine to me. that feeling is gross. just a personal choice. i'm not sure why i'm like that i just am.
and this little asshole on my other shoulder is saying "yea but you love bellydancing, that's sexual huh?huh? what's the difference?" 
grrrrrr.
grrrrrr.
Never much saw the draw in strip clubs actually. My friends dragged me there a couple of times. The first time it was kind of cool (like 2 minutes after turning 18....we were actually waiting outside of the club at like 11:55 waiting for midnight =P )
After that it was just kind of meh. The best part wasn't actually the girls, it was me and a friend ripping on some guy in a suit sitting looking desperate.
After that it was just kind of meh. The best part wasn't actually the girls, it was me and a friend ripping on some guy in a suit sitting looking desperate.
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I got a text a few mornings ago of nothing but symbols and gibberish. I got another text that afternoon from her saying her little girl was playing with her phone.
I figure that was her way of putting it out there in a tactful way. I think I figured the situation out. The day we met she was with my best friend who is the DJ and bouncer at the club she works at. She heard me say to my friend that I am going out of town on business.
I figure that just sounds like I make a lot of money, but I don't. I am going to pursue this thing, but I will not kiss her ass, and I will not throw any money around. I don't have enough to waste like that. If she just wants to throw some pussy at me, I will jump on the chance, but I will be double wrapping it.
I figure that was her way of putting it out there in a tactful way. I think I figured the situation out. The day we met she was with my best friend who is the DJ and bouncer at the club she works at. She heard me say to my friend that I am going out of town on business.
I figure that just sounds like I make a lot of money, but I don't. I am going to pursue this thing, but I will not kiss her ass, and I will not throw any money around. I don't have enough to waste like that. If she just wants to throw some pussy at me, I will jump on the chance, but I will be double wrapping it.
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Perdido
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Going out of town? How does that equate to her thinking you have allot of money?
Maybe she just thought you were a nice guy who did'nt prejudge people like 49 of the last 50 people posting in this thread.
You my friend have been watching to many movies. In this type of situation is always a good idea to be carefull and think with your head not your dick (or heart if dude is already in love). If the girl is legit and stable and really likes him then she has a lot to do to prove it IMO. Personally I would never date a stripper.
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When did I suggest not to be careful?
It was a joke, son.
My point is that exchanging my time and service to my employer for pay is no different from a stripper exchanging time and service to her employer for pay.
The strippers I've been friends with did not find the work humiliating. Nor were they coerced into it, any more than to say they weren't independently wealthy and that they did, in fact, have to work for a living.
This paid well for very short hours, so it worked for them.
i think i'm FAR from being alone in my opinion that she was like that already and for the most part that is the caliber of woman the job attracts. i haven't known any healthy strippers just train wrecks. like a woman that was fighting with her bf and tried to smash her head through a window and just bounced off. twice
maybe i've only encountered the seedier side and there's a really glamorous classy side of it i'm missing. there are no high class strip places anywhere near where i live.
What part of it bothers you the most, LW - the part where you think it's humiliating, or the idea that at least some of these women not only DON'T find it humiliating - but rather that they <gasp!> actually enjoy the work?
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Edward Lewis: I never treated you like a prostitute.
[Walks away]
Vivian: You just did.
...how about go out on a date w/ her and forget what she does. See if theres someone you want to see again?
[Walks away]
Vivian: You just did.
...how about go out on a date w/ her and forget what she does. See if theres someone you want to see again?
I only read a few responses and it's been 5 days since the OP, but being a stripper is just a job.
It's a job. Nothing more; nothing less.
I'd go for it. Nice change from the accountant or whatever.
Is she a student?
Perdido
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But would you rather date an accountant having a fantasy of being a stripper or a stripper having a fantasy of being an accountant?
Just a job eh? Taking your clothes off and rubbing your naked body up against men that disgust you isn't just a job. I will state that I have no problems with women that pursue this line of employment.
I believe these women are compromising their self worth. A little piece dies each time you do something that compromises who you are.
Just ask yourself this. Do you believe these women would still strip if given the choice to work in another field for the same money? They would change in a heartbeat! The reason is because they feel dirty, used, and manage to justify these feelings by saying they are doing the same to us men.
maybe i just have too good of an imagination. imagine some guy who gives you the willies getting a boner over you. that idea disgusts me. i imagine some women like being whores and have fun doing that and i'm not saying stripping is whoring, it's just really gross to me. it's not exactly going to be a bunch of hot hunks in the audience.
why do you feel the need to ride my ass over my opinion? are you a wannabe stripper
edit. isee, you are defending friend in this business who you know aren't like the stereotype i'm spewing here. sorry. i believe you. not sure where you live but i am sure here is less affluent and the clubs are FAR from the same.
i find the idea of a woman having a pole in her bedroom and doing it for her man very sexy, but cockteasing strangers isn't my cup of tea.
ps i'd almost rather be a stripper than a sleep deprived mom cat for another week.
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you seem to be a classy person, so it doesn't make sense that you'd be friends with the other type of strippers, the train wrecks, but that doesn't mean there aren't plenty of them out there. i live in a pretty small city in maine, like i said there aren't any classy strip clubs here so the money in clubs here is shit and the job here attracts nut cases.
why do you feel the need to ride my ass ? are you a wannabe stripper
too many possibilities here.
i loled. don't even go there.
Child, listen to me because I always have the right answer. Know that I have plans to prosper you and not to harm you. You should bang this chick like a mountain gorilla. If it turns out ok then you'll walk a little taller; if it turns out bad then I have taught you a valuable lesson.
-GOD, a.k.a ~ ROID
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