To Juice or not to Juice...

[live2pump]

I wonder what the real percentages of informed/uninformed users actually is?

Shady-

I would put money on it that that most users of steroids would fit into the bottom 2 categories. Mostly category 3. The average joeschmo doesn't have the cash or the connections to have a Md. guiding their cycles.

 

[Tha Don]

some of you need to realise there is a big difference between steroid use and abuse

bottom line is... steroids are not harmful when used sensibly

 

[Leon77]

some of you need to realise there is a big difference between steroid use and abuse

bottom line is... steroids are not harmful when used sensibly

why do the experts on here keep saying steroids have no side effects and repeatedly fail to come up with any sort of a explanation of facts and answers to back there claims?

these so called experts are just as bad as the guys who are against steroids.

people who hate steroids bang on about how they kill you and the pro steroids just bang on about their totaly side effect free for anyone, theirs no "middle" ground balance.

 

[LAM]

why do the experts on here keep saying steroids have no side effects and repeatedly fail to come up with any sort of a explanation of facts and answers to back there claims?

where are your facts ? where are the links to your medical studies ?

like I asked in a previous post. name one side-effect that is not irreversable from short term nandrolone use ?

 

[Flex]

It is my opinion that you can gain all the weight and gains you want without them. Far to much emphasis is placed on their value for a improved physique.

Ya, you're right. You can look like Ronnie w/o steroids.

Superstars of the past such as reg park, john grimek, steeve reeves, clancy ross, jack delinger, and bill pearl reached the ultimate in massive muscularity, so can you with the right diet, training system and correct supplementation"

I got news for ya. Most of those guys DID use steroids. The guy who supposedly introduced steroids to Arnold learned about them from Steve Reeves.

Point to 1 guy in his 50/60"s who was a steroid user who is alive and healthy.

Hmmm. Arnold, Ferrigno, let's see. EVERY other pro from the Golden Era, not to mention EVERY other single guy who's ever done steroids.

Don't tell me schwartzenegger. he made his own admissions about the negative effects.

Really? Prove it. After he had triple bypass heart surgery the Dr's confirmed it was due to a disfunctional heart valve from a birth defect, not steroids. So, please inform me what other negative effects he said there were.

Did you ever see the special that was done on E german and russian athletes and steroid use?most were weight lifters and sprinters. The injections were forced upon them by doctors who told them the sh*t was harmless.Today they are totally fu*ked up mental cases.

I'd like to see some documentation on this also, please.

Remember Lyle Alzedo? He's fu*kin dead. Stick your "taken in moderation" in your ass.What are you guys fu*kin doctors now?

Lyle Alzedo? This PROVES what little you know. He did of a brain tumor. PLEASE show me proof that steroids caused that.

I cant help but think it just represents a cheap, lazy, reckless way to cut corners to get ahead temporarily. Their endorsement sends the wrong message to the young and impressionable athletes striving for success.

Just b/c you suck at bodybuilding doesn't mean you hafta hate on people that use steroids to enhance their physique. And to this ridiculous "endorsement" to young kids that you speak of, how bout don't let your fucking kids unconditionally worship athletes. That's a social problem that directly begins with the kids' parents, and not an athlete's problem who chooses to use steroids.

lets not forget whos the "toughest" on this forum--- me

Wow. I'm scared.

Steroids are in almost in every sport. However, the use of steroids is incredibly bad. Never, ever, take them. These athletes who do, they will end up with severe health problems. everyone has heart problems, a local kid I know has nasty protein deposits in his arms, and it screws up your bones and ligments. I have seen people in my gym get injured from steroid use (your muscles develop, but your ligaments and joints can't keep up with muscles, i.e. this guy I saw benching 395 dropped the weight on his chest because his left shoulder dislocated). Plus the side-effects of steroids are permanent and mostly irreversible, yet the strength you get is lost when you cycle off. So steroid use has temporary benefits, but in the end you are only screwing yourself over.

average people on the street shouldnt be needing steroids

Your opinion on how bad steroids are doesn't mean shit. Right now your credibility is about a -1 outta 10. You need to show some facts, son.

i have seen with me own eyes many times, athletes losing gains in appearance, strength and power when cycling off gear, some guys end up in bad physical condition in terms of apearance and peformance when cycling off, even when done correctly, which can lead to steroid abuse

I got news for ya, these "people" didn't cycle correctly. Sure, you're gonna lose some size and strength coming off, but saying it "can" lead to steroids abuse? You've got to be fucking kidding me. ANYTHING "CAN" lead to something.

why do the experts on here keep saying steroids have no side effects and repeatedly fail to come up with any sort of a explanation of facts and answers to back there claims?

Who says they have NO side effects?
What D was saying is that, when done properly, steroids are not harmful, not that there's no side effects.

Dude,
people are treating you like a clown b/c repeatedly you sound like a clown. That's great you can state your opinion about what you think happens, but that hasn't cut it since people said the world was flat. What i mean is basically your opinion doesn't mean shit unless your backing it up with fact. Start showing some fact to back up your garbage. Start with my signature, "Got juice". Do some reading then maybe, just maybe, you'll have some credibility around here..

 

[Leon77]

Ya, you're right. You can look like Ronnie w/o steroids.






I got news for ya. Most of those guys DID use steroids. The guy who supposedly introduced steroids to Arnold learned about them from Steve Reeves.





Hmmm. Arnold, Ferrigno, let's see. EVERY other pro from the Golden Era, not to mention EVERY other single guy who's ever done steroids.





Really? Prove it. After he had triple bypass heart surgery the Dr's confirmed it was due to a disfunctional heart valve from a birth defect, not steroids. So, please inform me what other negative effects he said there were.





I'd like to see some documentation on this also, please.





Lyle Alzedo? This PROVES what little you know. He did of a brain tumor. PLEASE show me proof that steroids caused that.




Just b/c you suck at bodybuilding doesn't mean you hafta hate on people that use steroids to enhance their physique. And to this ridiculous "endorsement" to young kids that you speak of, how bout don't let your fucking kids unconditionally worship athletes. That's a social problem that directly begins with the kids' parents, and not an athlete's problem who chooses to use steroids.




Wow. I'm scared.




Your opinion on how bad steroids are doesn't mean shit. Right now your credibility is about a -1 outta 10. You need to show some facts, son.




I got news for ya, these "people" didn't cycle correctly. Sure, you're gonna lose some size and strength coming off, but saying it "can" lead to steroids abuse? You've got to be fucking kidding me. ANYTHING "CAN" lead to something.





Who says they have NO side effects?
What D was saying is that, when done properly, steroids are not harmful, not that there's no side effects.

Dude,
people are treating you like a clown b/c repeatedly you sound like a clown. That's great you can state your opinion about what you think happens, but that hasn't cut it since people said the world was flat. What i mean is basically your opinion doesn't mean shit unless your backing it up with fact. Start showing some fact to back up your garbage. Start with my signature, "Got juice". Do some reading then maybe, just maybe, you'll have some credibility around here..

why are people who use steroids think they are supirior then everyone else is beyond me

 

[Mudge]

pro steroids just bang on about their totaly side effect free for anyone, theirs no "middle" ground balance.

How do you figure that? Playing with your hormones is not always side effect free, nature does what it does best all to its lonesome. To interfere requires care and education, as well as monitoring of your health.

Can humans take medicine, monitor, and control side effects? Yes.

 

[Mudge]

Point to 1 guy in his 50/60"s who was a steroid user who is alive and healthy.

Albert Beckles is in his 70s, and was huge and ripped the last time I saw him.

Remember Lyle Alzedo? He's fu*kin dead. Stick your "taken in moderation" in your ass.What are you guys fu*kin doctors now?

Tell us what his own doctors said about his condition? Or are you just blowing hot air again?

 

[ZorroAzul]

Hello everyone, it's been a while

Nice to see that after a few months, nothing changes here, LOL...

just wanted to add my 2 cents... A close friend of mine just finished med school and started juicing. He was very weary of me juicing at first, but now that he finished med school he is convinced tht there is nothing wrong with them if used correctly.

"used correctly" means correct PCT, using anti-estrogen when needed, no overdoing it, taking enough time off, bla bla bla....

something we alredy know here in this forum, and something we are tired of explaining to all these people that storm in here like a SEAGULL (makes a lot of noise, craps all over the place, then leaves)

 

[Leon77]

Hello everyone, it's been a while

Nice to see that after a few months, nothing changes here, LOL...

just wanted to add my 2 cents... A close friend of mine just finished med school and started juicing. He was very weary of me juicing at first, but now that he finished med school he is convinced tht there is nothing wrong with them if used correctly.

"used correctly" means correct PCT, using anti-estrogen when needed, no overdoing it, taking enough time off, bla bla bla....

something we alredy know here in this forum, and something we are tired of explaining to all these people that storm in here like a SEAGULL (makes a lot of noise, craps all over the place, then leaves)

i aint saying they going to kill you YOU FOOL, i am saying steroids are overated, and can have side effects in people even if taken in moderation crap which is why you cant say everyone can use them and the results are bigger muscles. i have more strength, power then any steroid user i know. who cares about the bench press or huge dumbell curls hows that going to help you in life

 

[Du]

i aint saying they going to kill you YOU FOOL, i am saying steroids are overated, and can have side effects in people even if taken in moderation crap which is why you cant say everyone can use them and the results are bigger muscles. i have more strength, power then any steroid user i know. who cares about the bench press or huge dumbell curls hows that going to help you in life

Youre a very angry person. I suggest you look into counseling.

 

[ZorroAzul]

. i have more strength, power then any steroid user i know. who cares about the bench press or huge dumbell curls hows that going to help you in life

You must not know ANY juicers at all lol....

And one thing you DO have is bad spelling.... oops...

 

[LAM]

i aint saying they going to kill you YOU FOOL, i am saying steroids are overated, and can have side effects in people even if taken in moderation crap which is why you cant say everyone can use them and the results are bigger muscles. i have more strength, power then any steroid user i know. who cares about the bench press or huge dumbell curls hows that going to help you in life

you have yet to state any FACTS regarding any health issues caused by moderate steroid use. where is your proof ? all you do is run your mouth and state your opinion.

if you are such an expert on bodybuilding why don't you give us some pointers ? how tall are you and how much do you weigh ? how much LBM have you gained since you started resistance training ?

 

[gococksDJS]

i aint saying they going to kill you YOU FOOL, i am saying steroids are overated, and can have side effects in people even if taken in moderation crap which is why you cant say everyone can use them and the results are bigger muscles. i have more strength, power then any steroid user i know. who cares about the bench press or huge dumbell curls hows that going to help you in life

Do you realize how hypocritical and monotonous your posts are? You ask how a big bench or big curls are going to help you in life, but what does that have to do with steroid use? You claim to be stronger and more powerful than any steroid user you know, but how does that help you in life? So are you essentially saying that attaining strength while using anabolic steroids will serve no purpose in life, but if you don't use anabolics then your strength is a pedestal to preach from and chastise every anabolic user? Do the bullys take your lunch money? Is that why your so mad?

 

[Mudge]

i have more strength, power then any steroid user i know. who cares about the bench press or huge dumbell curls hows that going to help you in life

It sure sounds like you care.

 

[SlimShady]

Leon77..

Read this link and then tell me what you think. I told you that most pro-athletes used steroids and I told you they got them from the team doc...

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/03/29/60II/main683747.shtml

 

[Leon77]

Leon77..

Read this link and then tell me what you think. I told you that most pro-athletes used steroids and I told you they got them from the team doc...

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/03/29/60II/main683747.shtml

i dont doubt they get in from the team doctor and to say every pro athlete uses illegal substances is wrong also. none of us know whats going if we not involved in the sport

Kelly holmes the british double olympic gold winnner over 800m - 1500m in athens 2004 i can guarantee you is not taking any banned subtances to improve performance while some compeitiors have.

 

[redspy]

Guarantee? There's no official test for HGH and there are a number of currently undetectable steroid varients out there so how can you have such confidence? Another leap of faith.

 

[Leon77]

Guarantee? There's no official test for HGH and there are a number of currently undetectable steroid varients out there so how can you have such confidence? Another leap of faith.

why do people assume YOU HAVE TO TAKE STEROIDS,

1.to get a good physique
2. to get the women
3.to be strong

 

[redspy]

No one is assuming the above. A lot of people here have reached their genetic potential and want to push the boundaries of growth. Some take steroids to complete, some do it for cosmetic reasons, others do it for strength. Whatever the reason it's a personal choice - whether you like it or not.

 

[SlimShady]

i dont doubt they get in from the team doctor and to say every pro athlete uses illegal substances is wrong also. none of us know whats going if we not involved in the sport

Kelly holmes the british double olympic gold winnner over 800m - 1500m in athens 2004 i can guarantee you is not taking any banned subtances to improve performance while some compeitiors have.

First of all, I never said EVERY pro athlete, I said most. There is a difference.

Second, I am involved with athletes and used to be a pro myself.

Third, you have no idea what Kelly Holmes uses or doesn't use. You aren't with Kelly 24 hrs per day and there is no way you'd be told anyway.

 

[Mudge]

why do people assume YOU HAVE TO TAKE STEROIDS,

1.to get a good physique
2. to get the women
3.to be strong

I have never seen anyone here such a sorry ass that they actually said they "had to do it."

Some people want things to happen faster. For some, benching 300 or 400 is not all that strong. Its a personal choice, just as your choice not to use, to bitch and moan like a little kid who loves to argue, and missquote users of the forum.

When you stop worrying so much about what other people do with and to themselves, I bet your blood pressure will go down a few points.

 

[Leon77]

First of all, I never said EVERY pro athlete, I said most. There is a difference.

Second, I am involved with athletes and used to be a pro myself.

Third, you have no idea what Kelly Holmes uses or doesn't use. You aren't with Kelly 24 hrs per day and there is no way you'd be told anyway.

i would be suprised holmes would lie to her family, she very against drugs in sport-

 

[redspy]

How many athletes are publically pro drugs may I ask?

 

[Leon77]

How many athletes are publically pro drugs may I ask?

whats that got to do with it

 

[redspy]

Well, you said "she very against drugs in sport" because that is her public stance. Name an athlete who's openly supportive of drug use. See my point? They're all publically against drugs, if not the IOC would do more than random tests.

 

[Leon77]

Well, you said "she very against drugs in sport" because that is her public stance. Name an athlete who's openly supportive of drug use. See my point? They're all publically against drugs, if not the IOC would do more than random tests.

most athletes dont say anything for or against about drugs, holmes has gone on the record many many times in england about steroids in sport and when she has lost in past, she has said her self "well at least i am clean" or "they should award me gold"
her times we not freakish or recored breaking and completely obtainable without cheating with hard work and talent.

 

[musclepump]

most athletes dont say anything for or against about drugs, holmes has gone on the record many many times in england about steroids in sport and when she has lost in past, she has said her self "well at least i am clean" or "they should award me gold"
her times we not freakish or recored breaking and completely obtainable without cheating with hard work and talent.

So are you saying that she thinks everytime she loses, it's to someone on drugs? How repugnant.

 

[Leon77]

So are you saying that she thinks everytime she loses, it's to someone on drugs? How repugnant.

no but there has been certain incidences when athletes like Regina Jacobs, who tested positive for a banned designer anabolic steroid at world indoor championships and a few years back holmes said live on TV that the winner of 800m world championships, jolanda ceplak was using banned drugs. and "at least i am clean and walk away with a clear conchance"

 

[Mudge]

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