Tricep - Outer Head !!

[HardTrainer]

I have to disagree with that.......
Now lets not argue this for 50 posts just do this and then tell me I'm wrong.
Next chest workout do something different....do incline DB press 6 sets of 6-10 reps.
then a few incline flys if you want and thats it......now is your chest sore at the top , middle or bottom?????

Then next workout do the same except decline db press.

I might try this, but then I think why bother as I must be a lucky one and have an excellent upper chest by doing just flat bench.... genetics huh!

 

[HardTrainer]

the proof is in the results. lets see your triceps yanick. oh yea its just another internet shit talker.

Ronnie coleman, Arnold schwarzenegger, Flex Wheeler, Markus Rhul (I could go on and on) would own any of your results on any muscle group, does that mean we should all believe what come out their mouth also? because if you do you will be a fucking mess of contradicted bullshit.

BTW arnold made his calves grow by bombing them with 100`s of sets and marked every set he did on the gym wall with an "X"...after a while it started to resemble a huge army comming to crush all his enemies in the gym .....

Arnold achieved good calves you can too by doing the same calf routine .. "the proof is in the pudding" (as some one says ) and Arnold owns you all so LISTEN TO HIM i know you can do it

 

[TheCurse]

another skinny dude tellin me whats up.

keep tryin kid you'll get somewhere one day.

 

[HardTrainer]

another skinny dude tellin me whats up.

keep tryin kid you'll get somewhere one day.

Well you know about me dont you, like my age, weight and height etc..

One thing that is more funny then some skinny dude tellin you whats up is grown men debating and arguing like frustrated 15 year olds.

Any noobies here welcome to IM

(p.s. about the frustrated 15 year old bit.. you sure you ran your PCT for long enough )

 

[buildingup]

heres the solution, hardtrainer and curse your both cocks!

 

[TheCurse]

more internet shit talking. show me the muscle to back up your claims. oh yea you cant.
thats all i do, back up the advice i give with the fact that i have done it myself for years and seen the desired results. sure ive read lots of books, articles, talked to pro and amatuer weightlifters about what they do. but what i have experienced myself is all i can truely know.

i know you keyboard jockeys like to throw so called facts around like its a contest, but ill take the advice of a warrior who has sweated and bled in the trenches for years over your little kid wanna be whinings everytime.

 

[P-funk]

talked to pro and amatuer weightlifters about what they do.

BB'ers are not weightlifters. Weightlifters are people that compete in the sport of weightlifting (aka olympic liftering). for some reason America is the only country that messes up that terminology. I am not arguing though. All I am saying is don't group real athletes in with people that do nothing athletic at all.

 

[Sam40]

Science is more about speculation, and experimentation, than it is about the real world. Look it took science millenniums to agree the earth was not flat, then it was a dumb sailor that proved it.

Einstein was a smart man, he figured out the theory of relativity, but had to have someone to lead him to the corner store, and back. Otherwise he would get lost. Then he gave us the A-bomb = SMART!!.

If it wasn't for science the air we breath, might not be killing us. Darwin was a stupid fucker!, he probably did descend from a monkey.

I could keep this up for hours. But for everyone else sake I won't.

The bottom line is, science don't know SHIT!!.

 

[Yanick]

i hate to resort to this kind of stuff, but seeing as the best counter-argument i'm recieving is something that i stated in the beginning of the thread and the second best is "show me your pics" i have no choice.

i dont care P i still want to eat his children.

closest you can come to eating my kids is if i bust in your mouth and as much as you'd like that i don't flow that way. now go try on some speedo's, make sure they show those glute striations or your man-whore won't get turned on.

 

[Yanick]

Science is more about speculation, and experimentation, than it is about the real world. Look it took science millenniums to agree the earth was not flat, then it was a dumb sailor that proved it.

Einstein was a smart man, he figured out the theory of relativity, but had to have someone to lead him to the corner store, and back. Otherwise he would get lost. Then he gave us the A-bomb = SMART!!.

If it wasn't for science the air we breath, might not be killing us. Darwin was a stupid fucker!, he probably did descend from a monkey.

I could keep this up for hours. But for everyone else sake I won't.

The bottom line is, science don't know SHIT!!.

yea you're right who needs science, lets just listen to Ronnie Coleman and we'll all be hyooge.

 

[Sam40]

No you don't necessarily have to listen to Ronnie Colman, some of us don't want to be huge just healthy. But if you won't to be huge, he has the credentials to prove it.

 

[buildingup]

my outer head hurts! just shut the fuck up all yall, the guy asking isnt gunna get big neway!

 

[Yanick]

No you don't necessarily have to listen to Ronnie Colman, some of us don't want to be huge just healthy. But if you won't to be huge, he has the credentials to prove it.

He has the credentials to prove it!!!?? Have you ever heard that guy talk?!

 

[Yanick]

last point on here. Who would you rather listen to about training advice?

Option 1

Option 2 - Guy all the way on the left

 

[P-funk]

to the original poster:

Welcome to IM. As you can see you asked a question that is a bit of a "touchy subject". The debate goes on and probably will continue to go on about the issue of "isolating" specific muscles.


While the true answer to your question remains to be unseen as those that rely strictly on science say it is not so and those that rely specifically on what the feel will tell you it can be done one thing can be certain. If you want your triceps to get bigger, as big as they genetically can get, it is important to use variety as much as possible in your workout to prevent your body from adapting to anyone approach. I would recomment picking two exercises and doing them for 2-3 weeks. Then pick another two different exercises and work with them. Be sure yo change around the variables to freshen up the program. Variables such as rest interval, rep tempo and intensity (load) are some of the things that you can use.

good luck.

 

[TheCurse]

well, ill let yanick and all you lil guys resort to these non-related insults.

but answer me this. why are there three heads to the tricep if one will do?
if it simply works one way, on or off, why not just have one muscle preforming the lever and hinge action?

cmon, bust out the PhD and tell us.

or just go ahead with the insults. lil guys

 

[Sam40]

In the end your genetics, is who you have to listen to. Some of us got it, others don't.

 

[ihateschoolmt]

or just go ahead with the insults. lil guys

You do know that yanick is 5'8 210 (I think yanick is who i was thinking of) pounds and hard trainer is over 200 right? Both have posted pictures.

 

[Yanick]

well, ill let yanick and all you lil guys resort to these non-related insults.

but answer me this. why are there three heads to the tricep if one will do?
if it simply works one way, on or off, why not just have one muscle preforming the lever and hinge action?

cmon, bust out the PhD and tell us.

or just go ahead with the insults. lil guys

firstly, i didn't start with the insults i just continued with em cause i'm low on sleep and stressed out the past couple of days.

i'm surprised to actually hear an argument from you, i thought the next post i was gonna see was some other witty insults and requests for pictures. i'm very surprised, a good surprised.

as far as why the tricep has three heads, no one can ever answer that question. that is like asking why is the earth the third planet from the sun? if you're religious g-d put three heads on the back of our arm, if your into evolution maybe the tricep has to do more work than the bicep so we evolved to have three heads there because extending your arm is more important and thus we require more muscle there to do more work or w/e. don't know if you follow my logic on what i just said, but that is the best i can do with 3hrs of sleep.

now answer me this question. How do you move the workload over to the other heads of the tricep (excluding the long head and shoulder extension etc etc we've been over this). are we agreed on the fact that the triceps extend the elbow, and thats all they do?*


*it should be noted that the triceps apparently also assist in supination and pronation or the wrist.

 

[P-funk]

well, ill let yanick and all you lil guys resort to these non-related insults.

but answer me this. why are there three heads to the tricep if one will do?
if it simply works one way, on or off, why not just have one muscle preforming the lever and hinge action?

cmon, bust out the PhD and tell us.

or just go ahead with the insults. lil guys

Don't know exactly why. Probably just has to do with evoluition. This is how we evolved. Also, an injury to one head doesn't mean that your arm is useless since all three heads share a similiar attachment you can still functin to a certain degree for a time beinging. Again, just speculating. But I would assume it is just evolution.

So, is it safe to assume that because you asked the question you know the answer??

thanks,
lil guy.

 

[TheCurse]

again, all i can say, is what i know.
no i hateschool i dont know anything about anyone except that they always argue with my results. and cant show me any of their own.
were talking triceps here. were talking long head development. studies, what you got. i am my study. not a week or month, years. i put my hypothesis into action and lo and behold it held true. im going to stand behind what i believe.

oh and calling people little ihateschool? i beleive yanick was the one that said he wanted to put his dick in my mouth. i might feel strongly about my practices but i can still maintain a certain level of maturity. plus i thought everyone had heard the mike tyson quote and would know it was for laughs. i really dont care.
i still stand by my methods.

last point:
people ask me about my triceps and arms all the time. several people in my gym, with the standard lateral tricep development but virtually no long head development like most people have, using advice i gave when asked, are now (months later) showing much fatter tricep long heads.

 

[P-funk]

again, all i can say, is what i know.
no i hateschool i dont know anything about anyone except that they always argue with my results. and cant show me any of their own.
were talking triceps here. were talking long head development. studies, what you got. i am my study. not a week or month, years. i put my hypothesis into action and lo and behold it held true. im going to stand behind what i believe.

oh and calling people little ihateschool? i beleive yanick was the one that said he wanted to put his dick in my mouth. i might feel strongly about my practices but i can still maintain a certain level of maturity. plus i thought everyone had heard the mike tyson quote and would know it was for laughs. i really dont care.
i still stand by my methods.

last point:
people ask me about my triceps and arms all the time. several people in my gym, with the standard lateral tricep development but virtually no long head development like most people have, using advice i gave when asked, are now (months later) showing much fatter tricep long heads.

but what you've got is genetics.

My legs are big. They always have been big. my calves are huge! they always have been huge. People ask me what I do for my calves. I say "I don't do anything for them. I don't train them directly." I am my own study. Nobody in my gym trains calves because I don't train calves and I have big calves so my results speak volumes.

See my point?

Shane Hamman at 15yrs old walked into the gym at school to train for football and squated 500lbs, his first time in the gym!! Genetics!! he can't say....well, for the past four years I have been doing speed work on mondays and suspended good mornings on thursday. He just had it.

You have great triceps. You worked hard to make them better. they look awesome. But, just because you simply have them doesn't make you an authority on how they work biomechanically.

Just like I have big legs. Fuck! I train legs 4 times a week! That is all I train right now pretty much. But, it doesn't mean that I know what I am doing. my legs are just big.

 

[Yanick]

again, all i can say, is what i know.
no i hateschool i dont know anything about anyone except that they always argue with my results. and cant show me any of their own.
were talking triceps here. were talking long head development. studies, what you got. i am my study. not a week or month, years. i put my hypothesis into action and lo and behold it held true. im going to stand behind what i believe.

wow thats great, now to actually test you hypothesis you would need to have 2 seperate realities with one of you in each of those realities, doing the same exact stuff everyday except the only thing you would change is how you train your triceps. if after, hell even 8 weeks, the results are the same you're wrong, but if after 8 weeks you are able to noticeably bring up one head while maintaining or w/e the others your right...do you see the flaw in empirical evidence? you can't compare yourself to others, you can only compare yourself to yourself (and within the same time period really) and since you can't go back in time and do only CGBP's for your tri's to see the difference in development your point is moot.

oh and calling people little ihateschool? i beleive yanick was the one that said he wanted to put his dick in my mouth. i might feel strongly about my practices but i can still maintain a certain level of maturity. plus i thought everyone had heard the mike tyson quote and would know it was for laughs. i really dont care.
i still stand by my methods.

i insulted you in 1 post after being insulted repeatedly. i'm sorry i didn't have use a condescending tone and call you little, i'm just more direct with insults and don't try and mask them with BS. And no i never heard that Tyson quote.

last point:
people ask me about my triceps and arms all the time. several people in my gym, with the standard lateral tricep development but virtually no long head development like most people have, using advice i gave when asked, are now (months later) showing much fatter tricep long heads.

it is clear that you have no ability to counter any of my arguments. i answered your question to the best of my ability and have given counter-arguments too every argument you through at me, all i have heard from you is "i have big triceps" and "you are small"

 

[TheCurse]

well you must not read too well. i posted i created a hypothesis, tested it, and it held true. tested it on other subjects. and it proved true. the best knowledge is learned through hard work and experience.

and p, i started at 155 pounds with no arm at all.

 

[Yanick]

well you must not read too well. i posted i created a hypothesis, tested it, and it held true. tested it on other subjects. and it proved true. the best knowledge is learned through hard work and experience.

and p, i started at 155 pounds with no arm at all.

go read my post above, its impossible to have a control group was my whole point. how old are you if you don't mind?

 

[TheCurse]

6'1, 30 yrs old. started lifting at 25, looked very stick like. recently found a pic from 2000 im gonna scan and post.
alright yanick, i dont like argueing really, can we just agree to disagree?

 

[HardTrainer]

Arnold has a fantastic bicep but take a look at him when he was 13 and his bicep looks like nothing as his bicep got bigger you noticed the genetic determind shape much easier.

Take a guy with 14 inch arms build them to 18`s with all the angles you can think of.

Now strip him back down to 14`s then build them to 18`s again but with basic compound exercises only and his arms will look no different as before.

 

[Yanick]

6'1, 30 yrs old. started lifting at 25, looked very stick like. recently found a pic from 2000 im gonna scan and post.
alright yanick, i dont like argueing really, can we just agree to disagree?

congrats on your gains bro, i'm sure you worked hard for em.

like i said before, i wasn't really trying to change your mind (well maybe a little) but it was more for the newbie who will eventually find this thread and think he needs all these exercises to have a good tri workout. lots of big words out there used by so called 'gurus' and when your new and don't know anything it seems impressive so you blindly follow them, but then hopefully you learn to question and question and question some more. there are only a handful of people on this forum that i would just trust when they brought up something to me that i haven't heard/read/researched, and they earned that respect not by being big but by showing that they are critical thinkers and not just people who memorize a couple of big words.

w/e, i digress.

 

[CowPimp]

Okay, TheCurse, can you please layout your testing methods for me? I am interested to hear about this study of yours. You are claiming that you have tested your hypothesis on others. Tell me what variables were held constant and what variables were not; tell me how many people were involved in your study; tell me the background information of the people in your study; etc. I'm not trying to be a smartass. If you have a real repeatable scientific method in action here, I would be interested to get more information.

Furthermore, when you completed this study, what was the method you used to verify your results? Did you make sure that the outer head grew appreciably more than the other two heads?

 

[TheCurse]

do pressdowns, your gonna emphasize the lateral head of the triceps to a greater degree than the long head.
do overhead dumbell presses and skullcrushers and you will emphasize the long head more.

where are your studies oh keyboard jockeys. like i said, i did it, helped others do it. no i dont keep peoples stats, gimme a break. i know the workout master cowpimp who doesnt look like he works out has all the right answers so what am i thinking getting results for me and others from my methods.

so you are saying 'i read this so there!'
i probably read all the same shit and more
i guess i just think about things for myself, dont just always take what im spoon fed.