Trump proposes massive one time tax on the rich

[irish_2003]

I went to a private school where tuition was less than what the average amount spent per public school student was. I received a much better education also. Unfortunately, the right gets labeled as uncaring whenever they want to cut spending on anything. The left goes on about how poor the U.S. students perform yet we are also one of the top spenders on public education. I thought it was fairly common knowledge that the US not only spends more on education but that over time performance hasn't improved because of it. Maybe I'm missing something but I don't see how people can continue to make the argument that we need to increase education spending. We need to do something but I don't think it's a problem we can spend our way out of.

President to Call for Big New Ed. Spending.Here???s a Look at How that???s Worked in the Past | Cato @ Liberty

higher spending and wages DO NOT EQUAL BETTER TEST SCORES.....and being from wisconsin and against Unions and their thuggery I can say that once we remove collective bargaining and they start paying their fair share of their retirement and benefits just like everyone else does they'll be forced to "teach" instead of just showing up to work......the unions protect and promote complacency....they need to be graded on their results and rewarded or removed accordingly......I Support Gov Walker!

 

[LAM]

Yeah, a couple of Trillion in what, 2.5 half years. So he added over 25% to the already high 11.5 trillion dollar deficit when he came in (that could be a little off so lay off if I missed a few hundred billion). What is shocking is you don't find this repulsive at all, that much added by one man and his party, and you have the nerve to call everyone else wrong. Please, this problem is so deep rooted you can't find an end in sight.

the electors obviously picked the best of the 2 puppets that we had to choose from...

yes I find it repulsive but this is what happens during every recession, tax receipts are decreased and the gov has to step in and spend. the problem is that things are getting worst with each recession and it has everything to do with globalization and the loss of millions of job over the past 2-3 decades and stagnant incomes at the bottom...


The Debt Limit:
History and Recent Increases
http://fpc.state.gov/documents/organization/105193.pdf

 

[oufinny]

I went to a private school where tuition was less than what the average amount spent per public school student was. I received a much better education also. Unfortunately, the right gets labeled as uncaring whenever they want to cut spending on anything. The left goes on about how poor the U.S. students perform yet we are also one of the top spenders on public education. I thought it was fairly common knowledge that the US not only spends more on education but that over time performance hasn't improved because of it. Maybe I'm missing something but I don't see how people can continue to make the argument that we need to increase education spending. We need to do something but I don't think it's a problem we can spend our way out of.

President to Call for Big New Ed. Spending.Here???s a Look at How that???s Worked in the Past | Cato @ Liberty

This is a multi-faceted problem. I have a close family member that is an administrator in Des Moines, IA; you don't get anymore midwest than that. You want to know what she sees day in and day out that fucks over students all the time? 1. Single parent families 2. Rules that prevent teachers from having control in the classroom 3. Parents not enforcing the rules that students continually break. Money is a problem but not why you think. There is an ass load spent in Indianapolis per student where my parents live, the graduation rate is below 70%. Throwing money at it won't solve the problem, it never does. This is a cultural problem.

 

[myCATpowerlifts]

Yeah, a couple of Trillion in what, 2.5 half years. So he added over 25% to the already high 11.5 trillion dollar deficit when he came in (that could be a little off so lay off if I missed a few hundred billion). What is shocking is you don't find this repulsive at all, that much added by one man and his party, and you have the nerve to call everyone else wrong. Please, this problem is so deep rooted you can't find an end in sight.

I will say I firmly believe that Barry O, Harry Reid and a few choice Republicans need to get the fuck out of Washington. Until there are term limits, nothing will change. Until they take away the lifetime pension for being a congressman, nothing will change. Both parties are wrong right now by bitching instead of finding some way to solve this that does not hang someone out to dry in the process. LAM, your determination is honorable but I truly believe you substitute studies and what you read for simple logic on occasion. I don't need an economist to tell me Barry O blew the fucking deficit through the roof and is continuing to do so with no end in sight; I just need to know how to add.

A lot of really smart people who are very successful all agree, Barry O is a weak, ineffective President and we could have chosen better. Hopefully that changes in 2012.

Hell yea! Let's blame the president for everything!!!
Way to go!!

 

[GearsMcGilf]

I don't believe we need to cut funding for education. But, lack of funding isn't what's hurting the public education system. In AL, we have some of the worst public school systems in the country (thank god for Mississippi & DC or we'd the worst). Yet, AL spends more money per student than most other states. Much of the problem is the teachers unions which, by design, protect incompetency and makes the system serve the employees, rather than the students it's supposed to educate. Unionization has no place in the PE system. There is a reason why people who can afford it send their kids to private schools. The quality of the product (education) has not dropped into the shitter courtesy of the teachers' unions.

Here's a thought. Imagine a scenario where you are zoned for a particular grocery store, based on your zip code and said grocery store is fully staffed by union workers that can not be fired unless they commit (and are convicted of) a serious illegal act. You are not allowed to buy your groceries anywhere else. The argument is that it wouldn't be fair nor ethical to allow people in your zip code to shop elsewhere, regardless of how good or bad the products and service are. After all, the store might go out of business and put the employees of the store out of work. Now, would you expect the quality and service offered by this store to improve or down? There's is scenario should help explain why the PE system in some parts of this country are hardly competitive with any 3rd world country.

If you want to improve education in under privilided communities, school vouchers would allow the money to follow the student and put under performing schools out of business and force incompetent teachers out of the profession, yes out of work. The purpose of the system is not to provide cradle to grave benefits for anyone. It is to provide education for kids, nothing more, nothing less. Just my evil and heartless neo-con thought for the day.

 

[oufinny]

higher spending and wages DO NOT EQUAL BETTER TEST SCORES.....and being from wisconsin and against Unions and their thuggery I can say that once we remove collective bargaining and they start paying their fair share of their retirement and benefits just like everyone else does they'll be forced to "teach" instead of just showing up to work......the unions protect and promote complacency....they need to be graded on their results and rewarded or removed accordingly......I Support Gov Walker!

Damn straight, the unions have WAY too much power. Look at this complete shit they are pulling with Boeing, disgusting the nerve the NLRB has. You are going to tell a company what it can do, really, how about you go FUCK YOURSELF instead! You should ask any employee that works for Ford in the union if they like their job; I bet 9/10 will say they do. The smallest bonus last year was $5k and they don't have near the power these assholes at GM and other companies have yet they are employed and the company is now prospering (I wonder why????). Collective bargaining rights brought down to reality is great, welcome to the real world mofos. We all don't get a job guaranteed, so why the FUCK SHOULD YOU! I split my time between two offices, drive 40 minutes to work, pay TOLLS to get there and I don't bitch at all because I have a job.

 

[oufinny]

Hell yea! Let's blame the president for everything!!!
Way to go!!

You make the world stupider with each post, there is a special place in hell for ignorant people like you. Oh wait, I think that is called the NAACP during your living years.

 

[LAM]

Much of the problem is the teachers unions which, by design, protect incompetency and makes the system serve the employees, rather than the students it's supposed to educate. Unionization has no place in the PE system. There is a reason why people who can afford it send their kids to private schools. The quality of the product (education) has not dropped into the shitter courtesy of the teachers' unions.

NCLB made things much worst in terms of education and what does unionization have to do with the performance of students?

most of the education problems can be traced back to the decline of the family, there is now 40 years of evidence that shows children born and raised by single mothers achieve less across the board.

divorce..children generally have more problems than those that come from parents that stay together. this group performs better than the single mother group because they typically get child support while 50% of single mothers receive $0.

today both parents typically work long hours, this creates less of a family environment further disrupting the educational process...

 

[LAM]

Damn straight, the unions have WAY too much power. Look at this complete shit they are pulling with Boeing, disgusting the nerve the NLRB has. You are going to tell a company what it can do, really, how about you go FUCK YOURSELF instead!

The graph I posted shows the decline of wages in the US with the decline of the labor unions in the country

 

[GearsMcGilf]

The problem is that it changes the dynamics of the system so that it serves the employees as opposed to the kids. It protects not only good teachers, but lousy ones also. For instance, if you can't fire a first grade teacher even though two thirds of his/her class can't read or write at the end of every year, that is a problem and it's a result of the teachers' unions. Just look at the "rubber rooms" in NY, where teachers are removed from their duties are set out to pasture with pay, yet can't be fire due to union contracts.

 

[oufinny]

I don't believe we need to cut funding for education. But, lack of funding isn't what's hurting the public education system. In AL, we have some of the worst public school systems in the country (thank god for Mississippi & DC or we'd the worst). Yet, AL spends more money per student than most other states. Much of the problem is the teachers unions which, by design, protect incompetency and makes the system serve the employees, rather than the students it's supposed to educate. Unionization has no place in the PE system. There is a reason why people who can afford it send their kids to private schools. The quality of the product (education) has not dropped into the shitter courtesy of the teachers' unions.

Here's a thought. Imagine a scenario where you are zoned for a particular grocery store, based on your zip code and said grocery store is fully staffed by union workers that can not be fired unless they commit (and are convicted of) a serious illegal act. You are not allowed to buy your groceries anywhere else. The argument is that it wouldn't be fair nor ethical to allow people in your zip code to shop elsewhere, regardless of how good or bad the products and service are. After all, the store might go out of business and put the employees of the store out of work. Now, would you expect the quality and service offered by this store to improve or down? There's is scenario should help explain why the PE system in some parts of this country are hardly competitive with any 3rd world country.

If you want to improve education in under privilided communities, school vouchers would allow the money to follow the student and put under performing schools out of business and force incompetent teachers out of the profession, yes out of work. The purpose of the system is not to provide cradle to grave benefits for anyone. It is to provide education for kids, nothing more, nothing less. Just my evil and heartless neo-con thought for the day.

BRA-FUCKING-VO! I love this, comment of the day.

 

[oufinny]

The graph I posted shows the decline of wages in the US with the decline of the labor unions in the country

You can also correlate that union membership does not increase wages as those that stayed in, saw little wage gain. Unions had their time and place, they need to go.

 

[LAM]

You can also correlate that union membership does not increase wages as those that stayed in, saw little wage gain. Unions had their time and place, they need to go.

yes that way company's can pay their employees the bare minimum just like Wallmart, then things would really get better in a land where the cost of everything increases annually...low wages is one of the main reasons why household debt mainly from the middle class is at like 100%+ of GDP

 

[LAM]

The problem is that it changes the dynamics of the system so that it serves the employees as opposed to the kids.

kind of like how company's used to produce quality products to meet the demands of their CUSTOMERS now they work for the SHAREHOLDERS...

 

[LAM]

You can also correlate that union membership does not increase wages as those that stayed in, saw little wage gain. Unions had their time and place, they need to go.

the IMF recommends that country's NOT follow the US in terms of labor practices...

UNEMPLOYMENT AND LABOR MARKET INSTITUTIONS:
WHY REFORMS PAY OFF
http://www.imf.org/external/pubs/ft/weo/2003/01/pdf/chapter4.pdf

* that is pretty sound advice coming from the debt collecter of governments and multi-national corporations..

 

[LAM]

For instance, if you can't fire a first grade teacher even though two thirds of his/her class can't read or write at the end of every year, that is a problem and it's a result of the teachers' unions.

and what is a teacher to do when that student doesn't pick up a book outside of the classroom and their life at home is filled with nothing except TV?

the home-life and modeling after the parents far out-weights anything that can be taught in schools..

The Influence of Parent Education and Family Income on Child
Achievement: The Indirect Role of Parental Expectations and the
Home Environment
http://www.mikemcmahon.info/ParentEducationIncome.pdf

 

[oufinny]

yes that way company's can pay their employees the bare minimum just like Wallmart, then things would really get better in a land where the cost of everything increases annually...low wages is one of the main reasons why household debt mainly from the middle class is at like 100%+ of GDP

Unionization does not increase wages [in our current times, before it did, I cannot and will not argue that], when are you going to understand this? It drives up costs to the employer, the workers in mandatory union dues, decreases investment that also prevents growth. Successful companies pay their employees and give wage increases; been there, seen it and with success and growth comes advancement (wage increases come with advancement). Companies burdened by extensive cost structures fail and we need look no farther than Detroit for some charming examples. GM failed once, Chrysler twice and luckily Ford saw the light right as it stood on the precipice of failure. Not to mention the companies and brands that completely went away (Oldsmobile, Pontiac to name a few).

You always say there are no free markets, well unions are a MAJOR part of that problem. How is Boeing able to operate freely when some asshole union that has no right to do what they are, tries to stop them from expanding production of an already behind schedule airliner. Oh yeah, they did a good job in 2008 of hastening the delays to the 787 schedule as well; its like their idea of success and job security is to drag out schedules so long companies miss obligations (and lose orders, just like what is happening to Boeing right now). In almost no situation is a union an effective solution. People want to get paid more, make the business case to your supervisor you are not getting paid what you are worth. Sorry, its time people stopped bitching, moaning and crying in the corner and do something about it themselves. If you don't like your job or your wage, find a new one. And save the "there aren't any argument" BS, if you are already employed and are in good standing, you will be able to find another job it just might not be next week.

The handouts are over, we screwed that pooch for the last 30-40 years and the country is now broke because of it. Back in the day people worked for what they got, not people think they are entitled, guess what, YOU'RE NOT!

 

[oufinny]

the IMF recommends that country's NOT follow the US in terms of labor practices...

UNEMPLOYMENT AND LABOR MARKET INSTITUTIONS:
WHY REFORMS PAY OFF
http://www.imf.org/external/pubs/ft/weo/2003/01/pdf/chapter4.pdf

* that is pretty sound advice coming from the debt collecter of governments and multi-national corporations..

I have a life, 22 pages of some IMF brief isn't part of it. Post the abstract or this falls on deaf ears.

 

[LAM]

The handouts are over, we screwed that pooch for the last 30-40 years and the country is now broke because of it. Back in the day people worked for what they got, not people think they are entitled, guess what, YOU'RE NOT!

Here is why the country is broke: Good Old Supply-Side Economics

The Debt Limit:
History and Recent Increases
http://fpc.state.gov/documents/organization/105193.pdf

* why do you conservatives constantly try to re-write history when it's your economic policy's that have caused all the problems?

 

[irish_2003]

The graph I posted shows the decline of wages in the US with the decline of the labor unions in the country

the graph is misleading because it shows income only and not income plus benefits totals.....

 

[min0 lee]

the graph is misleading because it shows income only and not income plus benefits totals.....

Two separate things.

 

[GearsMcGilf]

Two separate things.

IDK about that. If I had been receiving family health coverage for $10-20 per month instead of $440 at my last job, that would have been a pretty descent raise. Some of the union workers at Ford & GM were getting full coverage for about that much. They could afford those benefits when their only competition was other union shops. But, enter Germany, Japan, and Korea, and that changed. There is a Hundai plant, Mercedes plant, and a Honda plant here in AL. They aren't union, but they put their new hires through a training program and start them out at around $20+ per hour with pretty good benefits. It would seem that they pay so well in order to avoid unionization before it happens. That is pretty good pay for a guy with a HS diploma.

 

[Glycomann]

Everyone is ignoring the root cause of this problem. Our monetary system is based on debt. Any solution is temporary. The international banking system needs to change and that's never going to happen. Let is all fall to shit. Then we can build it better without the international banking system. Let nations regulate and produce their own currency and get these criminals out of banking. I better watch what I'm saying or I could end up killed off like Lincoln and Kennedy. Thankfully I have no power so I can rage against the machine.

 

[LAM]

Everyone is ignoring the root cause of this problem. Our monetary system is based on debt. Any solution is temporary. The international banking system needs to change and that's never going to happen. Let is all fall to shit. Then we can build it better without the international banking system. Let nations regulate and produce their own currency and get these criminals out of banking. I better watch what I'm saying or I could end up killed off like Lincoln and Kennedy. Thankfully I have no power so I can rage against the machine.

but now you are talking about messing the the Fed and Wallstreet which are major causes of monetary problems. the income issue is separate but obviously very important but seems to never be addressed, the CPI is just not accurate as a tool to use for wage increases anymore.

 

[Zaphod]

Unionization does not increase wages [in our current times, before it did, I cannot and will not argue that], when are you going to understand this? It drives up costs to the employer, the workers in mandatory union dues, decreases investment that also prevents growth. Successful companies pay their employees and give wage increases; been there, seen it and with success and growth comes advancement (wage increases come with advancement). Companies burdened by extensive cost structures fail and we need look no farther than Detroit for some charming examples. GM failed once, Chrysler twice and luckily Ford saw the light right as it stood on the precipice of failure. Not to mention the companies and brands that completely went away (Oldsmobile, Pontiac to name a few).

You always say there are no free markets, well unions are a MAJOR part of that problem. How is Boeing able to operate freely when some asshole union that has no right to do what they are, tries to stop them from expanding production of an already behind schedule airliner. Oh yeah, they did a good job in 2008 of hastening the delays to the 787 schedule as well; its like their idea of success and job security is to drag out schedules so long companies miss obligations (and lose orders, just like what is happening to Boeing right now). In almost no situation is a union an effective solution. People want to get paid more, make the business case to your supervisor you are not getting paid what you are worth. Sorry, its time people stopped bitching, moaning and crying in the corner and do something about it themselves. If you don't like your job or your wage, find a new one. And save the "there aren't any argument" BS, if you are already employed and are in good standing, you will be able to find another job it just might not be next week.

The handouts are over, we screwed that pooch for the last 30-40 years and the country is now broke because of it. Back in the day people worked for what they got, not people think they are entitled, guess what, YOU'RE NOT!

GM, Ford and Chrysler doomed themselves by designing and building crap. The plants built the crap that was designed on a shoestring budget with parts from the cheapest suppliers that built the cheapest parts possible. Blaming the unions for such chart toppers as the Cadillac Cimarron is silliness. GM management decided that they'd build a Cadillac on the cheap and people would buy it because of the badge on the grille. That wasn't a plant idea. Maybe it was a plant idea because whoever decided that was a braindead vegetable.

So you're saying that people don't work for anything today? I beg to differ. Myself and the people I work with put in their fair share every day and would gladly activate your dental plan for saying otherwise.

 

[Zaphod]

the graph is misleading because it shows income only and not income plus benefits totals.....

Where does it say that?

 

[antisocialcreep]

hmmm, interesting.lets try this first though... stop spending money the govt doesnt have and that is not even constitutional. hey, im just saying. not so much a revenue problem as a 'my wife caught me in bed with a 20 year old blonde and has the check book' type spending problem

 

[Dale Mabry]

All this talk about this being a factor and that being a factor are all fine and dandy, and you can point to unions being a problem, but at the end of the day, LAM is right, until the middle class starts making more money, the economy is going to stay in The shitter. It's just common sense, when 1% of the people can afford to buy anything they want and don't need and 99% of the population can't afford the mortgage on a modest home on 2 incomes the economy is going to be in the shitter. Political ideology aside, we all have to agree that you make more money selling iPods to 150 million people than you do to 1 million.

 

[min0 lee]

IDK about that. If I had been receiving family health coverage for $10-20 per month instead of $440 at my last job, that would have been a pretty descent raise. Some of the union workers at Ford & GM were getting full coverage for about that much. They could afford those benefits when their only competition was other union shops. But, enter Germany, Japan, and Korea, and that changed. There is a Hundai plant, Mercedes plant, and a Honda plant here in AL. They aren't union, but they put their new hires through a training program and start them out at around $20+ per hour with pretty good benefits. It would seem that they pay so well in order to avoid unionization before it happens. That is pretty good pay for a guy with a HS diploma.

When people compare union wages and benefits they combine the two but when it's the private sector they only bring up their salary.

 

[LAM]

You always say there are no free markets, well unions are a MAJOR part of that problem. How is Boeing able to operate freely when some asshole union that has no right to do what they are, tries to stop them from expanding production of an already behind schedule airliner.

Boeing is #18 on the list in terms of revenue
Companies With the Highest Revenue - Tracked.com

guess those union wages they have to pay aren't hurting them that bad...defense contractors are surely one market that should have unionization they have lobbyist in DC that make sure the make more money year after year...there's a reason why the military budget is 700B and their stock has almost doubled since 2001 when we went back into Iraq.