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Trying to lose fat and build Muscle???everyone has a different opinion !!

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Morning all,

Trying to lose fat and build Muscle ??? everyone has a different opinion ???Who is Right?????

Lots of people ask this question ???Can I lose fat and still put on Muscle??? After all the articles I have read I think the answer is yes it is possible, but there are numerous way people advise you to do this??? (it gets very confusing :confused: )

I have always believed that doing cardio at a steady pace for 45 ??? 60 mins on an empty stomach is the most affective way to burn fat, this statement may be true but if I also have another goal of building muscle will doing cardio on an empty stomach also burn my hard earn muscle?? :hmmm:

Should I therefore eat a couple of Bananas and a yogurt one hour before I do my cardio in the morning?

My routine currently looks like this:

Wake up:
Coffee (nothing else)
7:00 are - 60 min Cardio
Evening
Train a body part hard + 30 min Cardio

Does this look ok? Am I wasting my time pumping iron if I destroy my muscles while completing cardio on an empty stomach?


lets sort this one out once and for all.... :p
 
yes you can increase muscle mass and lose body fat if you are new to resistance training. for experienced weight lifters it's next to impossible to do.

doing AM cardio on an empty stomach is very effective for fat loss but I would recommend ingesting at least 10-20 grams of BCAA's 15-20 minutes before exercising. this will help to decrease catabolism and it will also increase lipolysis.
 
I would never do cardio after not eating for 8 or 9 hours ( when you wake up). I will eat a very small, mostly carb meal about 45 min before cardio in the AM. There is some very good advise on this topic from our resident nutrition expert, Emma-Leigh....check her posts and her Online journal ( Work In Progress) for great nutrition advise.
 
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Cardio Timing: The Secret to Burning Fat Up To 300% Faster

When is the best time of day to do your aerobic exercise? The answer is any time! The most important thing is that you just do it. Continuous cardiovascular exercise, such as walking, jogging, stairclimbing, or cycling, sustained for at least 30 minutes, will burn body fat no matter when you do it.

However, if you want to get the maximum benefits possible from every minute you invest in your workouts, then you should consider getting up early and doing cardio before you eat your first meal - even if you're not a "morning person." Early morning aerobic exercise on an empty stomach has three major advantages over exercising later in the day:

Early in the morning before you eat, your levels of muscle and liver glycogen (stored carbohydrate) are low. If you eat dinner at 7 p.m and you eat breakfast at 7 a.m., that's 12 hours without food. During this 12-hour overnight fast, your levels of glycogen slowly decline to provide glucose for various bodily functions that go on even while you sleep. As a result, you wake up in the morning with depleted glycogen and lower blood sugar - the optimum environment for burning fat instead of carbohydrate.

How much more fat you'll burn is uncertain, but some studies have suggested that up to 300% more fat is burned when cardio is done in a fasted, glycogen-depleted state. So how exactly does this work? It's quite simple, really. Carbohydrate (glycogen) is your body's primary and preferred energy source. When your primary fuel source is in short supply, this forces your body to tap into its secondary or reserve energy source; body fat. If you do cardio immediately after eating a meal, you'll still burn fat, but you'll burn less of it because you'll be burning off the carbohydrates you ate first.

You always burn a combination of fat and carbohydrate for fuel, but depending on when you exercise, you can burn a greater proportion of fat relative to carbohydrate. If doing cardio first thing in the morning is not an option for you, then the second best time to do it would be immediately after weight training. Lifting weights is anaerobic (carbohydrate-burning) by nature, and therefore depletes muscle glycogen. That's why a post lifting cardio session has a similar effect as morning cardio on an empty stomach.

The second benefit you'll get from early morning cardio sessions is what I call the "afterburn" effect. When you do a cardio session in the morning, you not only burn fat during the session, but you also continue to burn fat at an accelerated rate after the workout. Why? Because an intense session of cardiovascular exercise can keep your metabolism elevated for hours after the session is over. If you do cardio at night, you will still burn fat during the session, so you definitely benefit from it. However, nighttime cardio fails to take advantage of the "afterburn" effect because your metabolism drops like a ton of bricks as soon as you go to sleep. While you sleep, your metabolic rate is slower than any other time of the day.

Burning more fat isn't the only reason you should do your cardio early. The third benefit of morning workouts is the "rush" and feeling of accomplishment that stays with you all day long after an invigorating workout. Exercise can become a pleasant and enjoyable experience, but the more difficult or challenging it is for you, the more important it is to get it out of the way early. When you put off any task you consider unpleasant, it hangs over you all day long, leaving you with a feeling of guilt, stress and incompleteness (not to mention that you are more likely to "blow off" an evening workout if you are tired from a long day at work or if your pals try to persuade you to join them at the pub for happy hour.)

You might find it hard to wake up early in the morning and get motivated to workout. But think back for a moment to a time in your life when you tackled a difficult task and you finished it. Didn't you feel great afterwards? Completing any task, especially a physically challenging one, gives you a "buzz." When the task is exercise, the buzz is physiological and psychological. Physiologically, exercise releases endorphins in your body.

Endorphins are opiate-like hormones hundreds of times more powerful than the strongest morphine. Endorphins create a natural "high" that makes you feel positively euphoric! Endorphins reduce stress, improve your mood, increase circulation and relieve pain. The "high" is partly psychological too. Getting up early and successfully achieving a small goal kick starts your day and gives you feelings of completion, satisfaction and accomplishment. For the rest of the day you feel happy and you feel less stress knowing that the most difficult part of the day is behind you.

So, you say you're not a morning person? Take heart; neither am I. I can sleep in like you wouldn't believe! But I get up anyway because I know the effort is worth the results. When I have a bodybuilding goal that I am clearly focused on, such as reaching 4% or 5% body fat for a competition, I'm on my Stairmaster for 45 minutes every morning at the crack of dawn without fail. Sure it's a challenge at first, but you know what? After a few short weeks, It's no longer a chore and I'm "in the groove" - and you will be too. Just try it.

Make a commitment to yourself to do it for just 21 days. Once those 21 days have gone by, you'll already be leaner and you'll be on your way to making morning workouts a habit that's as natural as brushing your teeth or taking a shower. Once you start getting used to feeling that buzz, you'll become "positively addicted" to it. The more you do it, the more you'll want to do it. Before you know it, early morning cardio will your new habit; you'll be leaner, your metabolism will be faster and you'll feel fantastic all day long!

Written by: Tom Venuto
 
how rob, how do you like tom venuto's BFFM ebook? I read the whole thing and it was the best book i've ever read about fat loss in my whole life.

How do you copy paste from his ebook because there are some parts that i would like to copy-paste for my documents so i only print out certain passages.

Another question, do you know Tom personally? Does he have his own forums like you do for ironmagazine? I would like to get in touch with him, he hasnt responded to my email and it has already been 2 months.
 
LAM said:
yes you can increase muscle mass and lose body fat if you are new to resistance training. for experienced weight lifters it's next to impossible to do.

doing AM cardio on an empty stomach is very effective for fat loss but I would recommend ingesting at least 10-20 grams of BCAA's 15-20 minutes before exercising. this will help to decrease catabolism and it will also increase lipolysis.
by doing this, are you at a higher risk of burning muscle than doing cardio post weight training?
 
Robert DiMaggio said:
If you want to get the maximum benefits possible from every minute you invest in your workouts, then you should consider getting up early and doing cardio before you eat your first meal
Works for me.
 
I disagree with you totallly. For the past three months I have been on a small cut. I do cardio first thing in the morning on an empty stomach. I have yet to lose any LBM and have dropped in B/f. So your wrong my friend.
Note my cardio only consist of a fast pace walk for 45 min's 5 days a week.
fUnc17 said:
by doing this, are you at a higher risk of burning muscle than doing cardio post weight training?
 
Prince, are you condoning cardio on an empty stomach or just posting it to give him another view point?
 
Tough Old Man said:
I disagree with you totallly. For the past three months I have been on a small cut. I do cardio first thing in the morning on an empty stomach. I have yet to lose any LBM and have dropped in B/f. So your wrong my friend.
Note my cardio only consist of a fast pace walk for 45 min's 5 days a week.
I asked if you were at a higher risk of burning lbm not that you are. just being cautious, because i want to drop some bf without sacrificing any gains
 
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shiznit2169 said:
how rob, how do you like tom venuto's BFFM ebook? I read the whole thing and it was the best book i've ever read about fat loss in my whole life.

How do you copy paste from his ebook because there are some parts that i would like to copy-paste for my documents so i only print out certain passages.

Another question, do you know Tom personally? Does he have his own forums like you do for ironmagazine? I would like to get in touch with him, he hasnt responded to my email and it has already been 2 months.
Very good Ebook indeed, I just got it yesterday.
 
Yes, I didn't get to read all of it but from what I read he is good.
 
shiznit2169 said:
How do you copy paste from his ebook because there are some parts that i would like to copy-paste for my documents so i only print out certain passages.
At the top you will see where it say's "Select Text" highlight your selection copy then paste. Here's an example.



Early morning fasted cardio: A simple method to increase the fat burning effects of
your cardio by up to 300%
Any time of day that suits your schedule is a good time for cardio. The important
thing is that you just do it. However, many bodybuilders and fitness models believe that
early morning fasted cardio burns more body fat. Although this is still controversial, the
evidence is strong and there are many reasons to consider doing cardio first thing in the
morning on an empty stomach. The argument in favor of fasted early morning cardio goes
something like this:
1. After an overnight 8-12 hour fast, your body's stores of glycogen are depleted and you
burn more fat when glycogen is low.
2. Eating causes a release of insulin. Insulin interferes with the mobilization of body fat.
Less insulin is present in the morning; so more body fat is burned when cardio is done in
the morning.
3. There is less carbohydrate (glucose) in the bloodstream when you wake up after an
overnight fast. With less glucose available, you burn more fat.
4. If you eat immediately before a workout, you have to burn off what you just ate first
before tapping into stored body fat (and insulin is elevated after a meal.)
 
okay so morning cardio on empty stomach it is. which should be easy for me cuz i need to take my thyroid medicine in am 1 hr before i eat anyway. :) :shrug:
 
fUnc17 said:
I asked if you were at a higher risk of burning lbm not that you are. just being cautious, because i want to drop some bf without sacrificing any gains

peforming any type of exercise on an empty stomach is catabolic. that's why I recommend to at least get some amino acids in the bloodstream to reduce catabolism.
 
I would still try doing cardio with food in your stomach and see if you are able to achieve your goals without resorting to cardio on an empty stomach. If you are plateauing in your weight loss, then you should consider doing cardio in a fasted state.
 
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