Vegetarianism

[GFR]

Wow, that's hilarious. You deserve an award. Attack my religious beliefs now.

 

[Tropicalgirlxx]

Hey Jordan...SHHHHHHHHH!!!! I am trying to listen to monkey mans violin solo!!!

 

[Tropicalgirlxx]

That is a f'ed up pic! Great teeth!! Perfect for tearing through flesh (ha ha) *wink*

 

[BigDyl]

Whats that? It's Pat!

 

[shm353]

original question

What do you think of it? I was considering trying it, but still keeping eggs/milk etc.. in my diet. I don't know if it's really worth it or not.

What do you guys think about it, and are there any vegetarians here?

OK BACK TO THE ORIGINAL QUESTION!

I believe the term your refering to is lacto-ovo vegetarian. Your still consuming animal fats so I fail to see what the real difference is unless you are just trying to avoid red meat or meats in general. I've heard that because of the heavy cellular composition of meat that it becomes basically putrid within the intestinal tract which does slow ya down a bit. But it's no arguement that man has been char broilin for eons so like the body is good at processing it if the metabolism is doin its job. From my reading of Franco Columbus' book "Bodybuilders Nutrition' I believe the most important nutrients needed would be to supplement with essential amino acids which are plentiful in red meat but not in veggies. This is what most vegetarians risk losing in there diet. Also, most vegetables don't possess large amounts per serving of vegetable protein, so gaining LBM might be problematic. I do remember reading that lima beans were very high in protein. Yummy.

 

[BigDyl]

If Ericka was a vegetarian, I would have to introduce her to some meat.

 

[boilermaker]

That is a f'ed up pic! Great teeth!! Perfect for tearing through flesh (ha ha) *wink*

Those are summer teeth.

 

[The Monkey Man]

Those are summer teeth.

 

[Tropicalgirlxx]

Yes they sure are!

 

[Tropicalgirlxx]

To Shm...
Obtaining adequate protein on a vegan diet is not a problem. Nuts & seeds, pulses, wholegrain and grain products and soy products all supply protein. Previously, it has been thought that plant proteins are of a lower quality than animal proteins in terms of their essential amino acid content. However, this is no longer regarded as a problem and eating a balanced diet of plant foods will provide all the essential amino acids in adequate amounts.

 

[Tropicalgirlxx]

That book is 20 years old after all...

 

[JordanMang]

So, let me get this straight. Your saying vegies ( along with assorted grains,peanuts and other sources of protein ) are any kind of subsitute for actual meat?

 

[Italianangel]

I am more of a lacto veg, eat yogurt, occasional milk, cottage cheese or occasional cheese, and on season eat more fish, pescatarian, so I would be considered lacto pescatarian. I am also natural in my bodybuilding practice, my gains have been great and have competed natural in bb, fitness and figure with great placings and wins.
I also have whey or a whey/soy/rice or hemp protein powder to supplement protein.

 

[Italianangel]

To Shm...
Obtaining adequate protein on a vegan diet is not a problem. Nuts & seeds, pulses, wholegrain and grain products and soy products all supply protein. Previously, it has been thought that plant proteins are of a lower quality than animal proteins in terms of their essential amino acid content. However, this is no longer regarded as a problem and eating a balanced diet of plant foods will provide all the essential amino acids in adequate amounts.

I am with you except that if you look at the nutritional breakdown nuts and seeds are fats, good ones at that, grains are starchy carb, soy is usually a fat so you have to be very on the ball and creative to get protien in the mix, but I agree you can do just fine on vegan and have trained winning natural bodybuilders who prefered vegan diets.

 

[Tropicalgirlxx]

So, let me get this straight. Your saying vegies ( along with assorted grains,peanuts and other sources of protein ) are any kind of subsitute for actual meat?

Yes Jordan that is exactly what I am saying!!!!

 

[Tropicalgirlxx]

Thank you Italian Angel

 

[Denchap]

Vegetable Protein

I haven't studied up on vegetable protein very much, but you're motivating me to do so. I eat almonds quite often, as well as peanuts, but I have trouble (socially) with beans (even when I use Beano). I'm also concerned to help my two daughters, who are strict vegetarians, to work adequate protein into their diets. By the way, I-A, I like the Web site I checked out. Keep up the great work.

 

[shm353]

Vegetarian

That book is 20 years old after all...

What do you guys think about it, and are there any vegetarians here?

What are your reasons for wanting to do this?

Yeah what is the goal? Gaining or fitness?
Someone...please correct me if I'm wrong.
If the goal to increase LBM
Increasing LBM requires much larger amounts of protein, water and aminos for a positive nitrogen balance. Most BB's incorporate meat and dairy in the diet specifically for that purpose; to support hypertrophy. Ounce for ounce, naturally, meat won that category if you wanted to gain LBM back then and now. Historically that was the norm.
As far as I know hydrolysed whey science didn't exist 20 years ago either.
I don't even know what Franco ate but he won Mr. Olympia. But it wasn't bird food. Yea I know... GEAR?
I think Franco's book was essential reading (for BB's) at that time I agree it could use an update based on todays science. That doesn't make it totally incorrect.
Dr. Franco Columbu has a Phd in nutrition and most BB's would regard his advise as credible. The book was one of the best on bodybuilding nutrition at that time.
Obviously, there is much more info now and I will be the first to admit I am not as educated as all of the young lions on this site.
Maybe you could recommend some reading or links so everyone could learn more about how to build mass on a "non-meat lifestyle" if I presume that is the ultimate goal, otherwise vegetarianism would be for nutritional fitness only.Right I mean why work so hard to build more muscle only to restrict the diet. Personally,
I would like to see a diet breakdown of a vegetarian that is trying to gain mass. I am very interested in this. That's all.
Thanks for updating myself (and Franco, da man!).

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[Zac_Champigny]

#1 I am not going to debate with a 15 year old sorry I don't need attention from you or anyone, thanks.
And since when are you the spokesperson for this board? Who is "we"?? Speak for yourself.
Abstract? Maybe I think a 15 year old on steroids is abstract BUT I would never say that because I don't judge people like you do.
I chose veganism for two reasons:
1.) Don't need to kill to satisfy my body.
2.) It's a healthier way of life and I prefer the vegan foods.

And no, I am not better than anyone on here, never claimed to be. Just offered my opinion and got attacked. I could care less that you eat meat...have it all day long, it's your decision and I respect that.

Have you ever read the studies on the amount of animals that die every year during the harvest of grain alone. Vegetarians and Vegans kill hundreds of thousands of animals a year. Those animals die in vain. They do not get eaten. It's one thing to say that you have a problem eating animals, its another to say that you don't kill any animals becuase of your diet. The animals I eat are animals that were born and raised for me to eat. I appreciate their sacrifice and do not waste. I don't leave them laying in a field dying becuase I harvested all my wheat with a machine the size of a small building that ran them over.

 

[Tropicalgirlxx]

vegans do not kill animals! Now I am getting angry...I already said EAT WHAT EVER THE HELL YOU WANT! Dammit, let's just attack the vegan girl because she eats no meat and doesn't want to bulk up like the fucking incredible hulk. WTF??!!!

 

[Tropicalgirlxx]

Did you know know that there is water in fruits?? Did you know that the grains fed to your SLAUGHTERHOUSE animals could feed a country full of starving people??? Did you know that over 80% of our water supply goes to those same SLAUGHTERED animals??? Did you know that there is puss and shit in every piece of chicken you consume??? Did you know that meat putrifies in your system??? Did you know that BB restrict their diets before a competition to the point of dehydration and deprivation of tons of foods??? And how healthy is that for the body???

 

[boilermaker]

Have you ever read the studies on the amount of animals that die every year during the harvest of grain alone. Vegetarians and Vegans kill hundreds of thousands of animals a year.

Most of that grain is being raised to feed cattle, livestock and poultry. So, in effect, what you are saying is that for every animal you eat, you cause another to be brutally murdered by a combine in a grain field.

 

[Tropicalgirlxx]

Boiler....I am going to explode!!!! Why are people so stupid???? Does it really bother these guys that I won't eat meat?? Why do they care? *UGH*

 

[BigDyl]

Boiler....I am going to explode!!!! Why are people so stupid???? Does it really bother these guys that I won't eat meat?? Why do they care? *UGH*

What if someone had a gun to your head. Would you eat meat then?

 

[Tropicalgirlxx]

No

 

[boilermaker]

Boiler....I am going to explode!!!! Why are people so stupid???? Does it really bother these guys that I won't eat meat?? Why do they care? *UGH*

I'm not sure why people seem so obsessed with the fact that you choose this lifestyle. Obviously, looking at your pictures should indicate to them that you are healthy. Christ, look at the back shot. You have an awesome back. Most women on this site are striving for something that looks just like that.

I'd also wager that a far greater percentage of grain crops for human consumption are consumed by non-vegetarians than vegetarians. So don't lose any sleep about destroying wildlife by eating grains

 

[shm353]

well alrighty then!

What if someone had a gun to your head. Would you eat meat then?

 

[Tropicalgirlxx]

Thanks B! I shouldn't let them get to me anyway. After all look what they are asking! Real Mature. Thanks for the compliments too

 

[DOMS]

Most of that grain is being raised to feed cattle, livestock and poultry. So, in effect, what you are saying is that for every animal you eat, you cause another to be brutally murdered by a combine in a grain field.

That makes the meat taste better.

 

[Tropicalgirlxx]