Vegetarianism

[Tropicalgirlxx]

 

[BigDyl]

 

[DOMS]

Hey CFS look under your name dumb ass. Make sense now?

You wrote '"Peta Jokers" What the hell is that? Knock the Grammar off of your saying and I think that suits your personality just fine'.

Disjoint sentences much? What, are you doing some low carb vegitarian diet? Starting to run on ketones? A little mental misfire?

 

[Tropicalgirlxx]

Your confusing yourself Cfs ...slow down and realize that you are the only one still talking shit. So Shoooosh already! It doesn't bother me that you like to make fun of how I eat so

 

[DOMS]

I'm all confusicated.

I wasn't talking shit, I was having fun. Right now my best verbal sparring partner is ForemanRules.

 

[boilermaker]

Sorry if you cant deal with the facts. Your wrong about the grain. I've seen many people talk about how vegetarians throw out the argument that cows eat so much grain, but always fail to mention that the grain is not suitable for human consumption.

The reason it isn't fit for consumption is because it's field corn, planted for consumption by livestock. This is just a variety of corn. Sweet corn and popcorn are what humans eat. They are just different genetic varieties of corn with higher sugar contents and more palatable texture than field corn. Also, field corn is managed with practices to maximize yield while minimizing inputs. An example of this would be an insect infestation that destroys 20% of yield. In corn for human consumption this would be treated because obviously, you aren't going to buy an ear of corn with only 80% of the kernels remaining and a bug or two in it. In corn grown for livestock, if it costs more to treat the field than a 20% loss in production, it isn't treated because of the economic impact on the farmer.

 

[shm353]

There is a growing body of evidence that supports the notion that having incorporated milled grains as a staple into the human diet in the last 5-10,000 years have actually had a negative effect on our digestive health. Even the FDA is still undecided as to just exactly how much grain is essential in the food pyramid. I am more interested in that kind of info than the issues of what organizms pay the cost of for human survival. Not that i don't care, better served on a different thread.
Historically, human populations have increased where milled grain was introduced into societies diet. But prior to some 10,000 years ago before harvesting was developed humans primarily survived on meat, fruits and vegetation and occasional cannibalism (ehw). yeah thats right, our ancestors. We ate whatever we could kill, conquer or acheive through adaptation. The pelts and furs kept us warm and the carcass kept our bellies full. Survival kept us alive as a species. I don't hunt for sport but I understand why it has a cultural significance.
Enter the modern age (of science) and we are now discovering just exactly how our bodies process all this stuff (meat included).
Vegetarians have a valid platform. Grain (corn) fed beef require antibiotics. Grass fed beef does not. Cows don't tolerate corn in their digestive tract but field grass is OK. There isn't enough grass to support livestock/human demands. We currently accept corn grain in our diet but now know humans may not process it very well. Fiber is essential but in what form? Is diabetes due in part to these elements?
Personally, I find it fascinating and part of why this thread has some spark to it. Its kind of like religion and politics. Food and nutrition is at the very core of our soul. You are what you eat!
Grain is one element. Eating all natural is gaining momentum. I respect anything natural.
I joke cause I'm demented
This thread changed to a political argument.
Therefore, I digress. But then again, who cares?..
Rock on, people!.....
Teach me more!!!!

 

[The Monkey Man]

Throw me the facts Zac...Prove yourself. If that is true why are you eating the cow that is consuming the grain that isn't suitable for human consumption? Sorry that YOU can't deal with the facts.

What kind of counter argument is this???

At what point is a cow (herbivore) not capable of digesting grains
not suitable for humans (omnivores)???

 

[Tropicalgirlxx]

MM, Just something Zac said earlier....past that already
SHM, I just found a new respect for you What you just said was great! I'm glad to hear that you are just joking, I really hate arguing over opinions.
FYI: I ate 1473 calories yesterday and most were carbs Go to fitday.com and you guys can get exactly what nutrients you are lacking in or over doing! It's a cool site if you have the time to type in some of the foods because they don't have some foods on there.

 

[shm353]

Right on!
www.Fitday.com
I use it daily. Food database is huge.
and
"thank you- for lettin' me- be maself- again"

anyway...Hey Myztek! what did ya learn out of all this ranting?

 

[Tropicalgirlxx]

I Love Fitday! Wow! We have something in common!! :bounce:
I don't think she even reads this thread!!! lmao!!! She started it and let us fight!!

 

[myCATpowerlifts]

I Love Fitday! Wow! We have something in common!! :bounce:
I don't think she even reads this thread!!! lmao!!! She started it and let us fight!!

Omg Rofl, like my IQ is like low because I like
like Don't EAT MEAT. Wow!

 

[soxmuscle]

Omg Rofl, like my IQ is like low because I like
like Don't EAT MEAT. Wow!

haha. vegans are not sane.

 

[DOMS]

haha. vegans are not sane.

 

[min0 lee]

I Love Fitday! Wow! We have something in common!! :bounce:
I don't think she even reads this thread!!! lmao!!! She started it and let us fight!!

I got your back girl, let me know which one of these jokers get carried away and I'll kick them in the jewels.

 

[myCATpowerlifts]

haha. vegans are not sane.

I bet she binges on shit loads of meat every now and then to satiate her hunger.

But like omg Wow!

 

[NeilPearson]

2.) It's a healthier way of life and I prefer the vegan foods.

As I read this thread I keep wanting to stick up for you because I know people can get all their essential amino acids from vegetables... but then you say things like this. (and another one where you said if someone reduced the intake of meat to a couple days a week, they would feel better)

The truth is, it is no healthier. There is no evidence to support that vegans or vegetarians are healthier or live longer. If you choose this type of diet and do it properly and balance your intake of amino acids, it can be as healthy as a diet with meat in it. If you do not do it properly, then a diet with meat is much healthier.

 

[NeilPearson]

vegans do not kill animals! Now I am getting angry...I already said EAT WHAT EVER THE HELL YOU WANT! Dammit, let's just attack the vegan girl because she eats no meat and doesn't want to bulk up like the fucking incredible hulk. WTF??!!!

You wouldn't bulk up like the incredible hulk on a diet full of animal protein either.... it is very hard for women to get really big and it usually requires steroids.

 

[NeilPearson]

Did you know know that there is water in fruits?? Did you know that the grains fed to your SLAUGHTERHOUSE animals could feed a country full of starving people??? Did you know that over 80% of our water supply goes to those same SLAUGHTERED animals??? Did you know that there is puss and shit in every piece of chicken you consume??? Did you know that meat putrifies in your system??? Did you know that BB restrict their diets before a competition to the point of dehydration and deprivation of tons of foods??? And how healthy is that for the body???

hmmm... there is a lot more shit on organic vegetables than there is on the chicken I eat.

 

[DOMS]

hmmm... there is a lot more shit on organic vegetables than there is on the chicken I eat.

I really liked this part, "putrifies in your system???" Last I heard, it was called digestion.

 

[The Monkey Man]

I got your back girl, let me know which one of these jokers get carried away and I'll kick them in the jewels.

 

[NeilPearson]

A common misperception is that increasing protein intake will foster greater muscle mass. This is not true. The most that most researchers recommend to increase protein intake for body builders is to 1.2 g/kg of body weight. What will provide the impetus for increasing the muscle mass is strength training (weights, resistance training, etc). Adequate carbohydrate intake is necessary to complete strength training. Protein is not an adequate energy source, and any excess will be turned into fat. In addition, excess protein places stress on the kidneys and dehydrates the body. This will inhibit sports activity.

This all depends. You are on track, most body builders eat too much protein. It is different for everyone but many studies have shown that increasing protein up to 1.4 g/kg will build more muscle. On a cut it is important to get in a little more to maintain lean muscle mass (maybe 1.6g/kg). If you are doing lots of cardio and on a cut you might need 1.8g/kg. Living in high altitudes can also increase your protein demands by another 0.2g/kg.

Even at 2.0g/kg for a most extreme protein intake need, this is less than what most body builders think they need. For someone at 220 pounds, you really need only 160-200 grams of protein. I see people that are 160 pounds and recommending 250 grams of protein to start. This is too much.

Even 160 grams of protein is quite a bit of meat though. We are talking 18 oz of chicken a day - best to split it into 4-6 meals. It is possible to get that same amount out of plants but you are going to have to plan it out very carefully to make sure you aren't leaving out essential amino acids.

You are right that carb intake is extremely important in the whole process of building muscle

 

[shm353]

Like they say... No Pain, No Gain

helluva right hook on that girl!

 

[myCATpowerlifts]

Meat is like soooo bad omg!
Its freaking aminal guts for gosh sakes! If God wanted us all to eat meat, then why are there like plants ?????

 

[shm353]

Hey Foreman, I think ya got a new sparring partner!

 

[DOMS]

Meat is like soooo bad omg!
Its freaking aminal guts for gosh sakes! If God wanted us all to eat meat, then why are there like plants ?????

 

[DOMS]

Save a cow: eat a vegetarian.

 

[soxmuscle]

Save a cow: eat a vegetarian.

well that made me laugh. my english teacher is a vegan, i think i'm going to put that quote on a t-shirt and wear it to class. thats hysterical.

 

[myCATpowerlifts]

well that made me laugh. my english teacher is a vegan, i think i'm going to put that quote on a t-shirt and wear it to class. thats hysterical.

It's like chik-fil-a sign, except its a vegan being eaten

 

[nmuriqi]

I got your back girl, let me know which one of these jokers get carried away and I'll kick them in the jewels.

I would eat tropical girl any day. And if you try and stop me Mino...i'll kick you in your jewels!