Robert DiMaggio said:
I know what you meant. My point is that recreational drugs can be used responsibly. They just have a negative stigma attached to them, just as steroids do. I just thought the comparison was a little ironic.
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I know what you meant. My point is that recreational drugs can be used responsibly. They just have a negative stigma attached to them, just as steroids do. I just thought the comparison was a little ironic.
CowPimp said:
I view bodybuilding as something constructive, it takes dedication, discipline, etc. I do not view a teen that goes out to parties using crack as being constructive, that was the point of the comparison... maybe you view this differently.
Robert DiMaggio said:I view bodybuilding as something constructive, it takes dedication, discipline, etc. I do not view a teen that goes out to parties using crack as being constructive, that was the point of the comparison... maybe you view this differently.
Well, any exercise routine is great. Anything that improves your health can be deemed constructive, surely. However, I don't think the use of anabolics positively impacts a bodybuilder in terms of how constructive their routine is.
Furthermore, I think the responsible usage of recreational drugs on occasion can be constructive. It can allow one to reach new levels of self-actualization, spiritual closeness, and mental relaxation. I'm not talking about crack parties, just as you are not talking about abusing steroids.
Sorry, I guess I'm just in an argumentative mood tonight or something. Heh.
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Doesn't the use of recreational drugs cause negative long-term effects, regardless of the easy gains?
Just a word on steroids. I know absolutely nothing on the subject, and have never taken them. I'm not against their use, and think banning them is counterproductive. And who knows maybe one day I'll try them-I doubt it though.
I've know a Polish oneologue(wine maker) married to an Australian . She is also a chemist/biologist, extremely talented. I was asking her one day firstly about creatine. She said there was no danger in the creatine itself, just the dehydration it caused. Knowing my drinking habits at the time, she strongly told me not to touch creatine in combination with the alcohol. Sensible advice.
I then asked her about steroids and their 'safety'. Now she's a Polish lady and very serious and a bit cynical. She looks at me and just said to me "once you start mucking around with your hormones***.........", the sentence was left unfinished, the look in her eyes said it all. She was basically telling me never to try it..........
(*** more or less what she said, this was a while ago)
I've know a Polish oneologue(wine maker) married to an Australian . She is also a chemist/biologist, extremely talented. I was asking her one day firstly about creatine. She said there was no danger in the creatine itself, just the dehydration it caused. Knowing my drinking habits at the time, she strongly told me not to touch creatine in combination with the alcohol. Sensible advice.
I then asked her about steroids and their 'safety'. Now she's a Polish lady and very serious and a bit cynical. She looks at me and just said to me "once you start mucking around with your hormones***.........", the sentence was left unfinished, the look in her eyes said it all. She was basically telling me never to try it..........
(*** more or less what she said, this was a while ago)
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Thanks for your opinion Robert. I appreciate it.
i think his strength is more impressive than his size. chris, any idea how much he weighs?
Maybe we should all get together and discuss this over a cup of tea?
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I believe he competed at 196-198 lbs. He now weighs in the 220s and plans to get to 240 or so. He doesn't add much fat in the off-season.fUnc17 said:
hey robert, i looked on wannabebig forums and chase talks about his steriod cycles, so yes he is on the juice, yes he does look good, but no i dont think its the smartest choice to take steriods at a young age of 18 or 19.
just my opinion and i dont have a lot of knowledge about steriods but im pretty sure its not good for a teen. anyway he does look good.
just my opinion and i dont have a lot of knowledge about steriods but im pretty sure its not good for a teen. anyway he does look good.
I'm far to old to be jealous of the kid. But in my mind no doubt! he has used some illegal supplements. When, and if he gets to my age, he will wish he had chosen a different road. He will end up a broken old man. I have a son 41 now, who did roids to build mass his genetics couldn't. He now tries to discourage everyone he talks to, about using illegal supplements. 
foreman,
you know you can go discuss with him personally his steroid use over at that forum?
you know you can go discuss with him personally his steroid use over at that forum?
ForemanRules said:
I think you should go there start a thread and yell at him, then post the link here so we can read it!
The loser's here!
I was just scouring the internet when I came across this and I would like to chime in.
First and foremost I would like to thank ForemanRules for the degradation of my character! It's just wonderful to have a person like yourself judging me and deeming me a loser knowing little about me other than my 'alleged' steroid abuse. You are what's wrong with people today.
Whoever said bodybuilding was the career I'm pursuing? Could this not just be a hobby I've taken to an extreme while pursuing other things in life? I've never said I had any intention of going pro or making money from this sport. I have a separate life all from bodybuilding that I keep my own (Which in the near future includes marriage). By no means do I expect to 'hit it big' with bodybuilding. I do this strictly for myself because it is fun.
On to the AAS. While I have good genetics they aren't good enough to look how I do without steroids. The vascularity, muscle hardness, density, ect. just can't be achieved by me at this time without drugs. YES, I began using steroids too young, but what I did not do was get into this game without some serious knowledge. I have routine blood work run and take all the necessary precautions I can. You can call me stupid, but not ignorant.
Thanks to everyone with nice things to say, I appreciate the motivation.
Finally, just to show that a little hard work may have been involved in the creation of my physique (80 pounds gained naturally) , I will attach a 4 year old picture.
I was just scouring the internet when I came across this and I would like to chime in.
First and foremost I would like to thank ForemanRules for the degradation of my character! It's just wonderful to have a person like yourself judging me and deeming me a loser knowing little about me other than my 'alleged' steroid abuse. You are what's wrong with people today.
Whoever said bodybuilding was the career I'm pursuing? Could this not just be a hobby I've taken to an extreme while pursuing other things in life? I've never said I had any intention of going pro or making money from this sport. I have a separate life all from bodybuilding that I keep my own (Which in the near future includes marriage). By no means do I expect to 'hit it big' with bodybuilding. I do this strictly for myself because it is fun.
On to the AAS. While I have good genetics they aren't good enough to look how I do without steroids. The vascularity, muscle hardness, density, ect. just can't be achieved by me at this time without drugs. YES, I began using steroids too young, but what I did not do was get into this game without some serious knowledge. I have routine blood work run and take all the necessary precautions I can. You can call me stupid, but not ignorant.
Thanks to everyone with nice things to say, I appreciate the motivation.
Finally, just to show that a little hard work may have been involved in the creation of my physique (80 pounds gained naturally) , I will attach a 4 year old picture.
http://www.ironmagazineforums.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=16231
He has been a member here for a while
He has been a member here for a while
Riverdragon said:
HA!!
Foreman, I don't see why you have to be an asshole on every occasion.
You think you are right on every subject, and most of your posts are annoying and ignorant.
I am glad Robert put you in your place.
You think you are right on every subject, and most of your posts are annoying and ignorant.
I am glad Robert put you in your place.
I'm glad you admit that and hope you verbally encourage other kids not to use steroids in their teens, unfortunately your actions have a greater influence on kids. They see that you used Steroids to help you gain that 80Lbs in 4 years and they think its ok for them to do it also.BCC said:
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im with the ppl who said "juice or not, he still has a nice physique". 
On a side note: I did a cycle of 350mg test 250mg deca right before i turned 19.... I regret it now, but nothing would have convinced me not to do it. I had my mind set on it i guess i just had to get it outta my system haha. I wonder if i would have grown taller if i didnt do it even tho im already taller than both my parents (im just shy of 5'8"). Man i hate being short. Oh well. How much do males grow on average after the age of 19 anyway...?
Edit: When someone who has potentially not stopped growing juices like i did, do the growth plates fuse imediately regardless of any other circumstances? or does the amount of juice taken/length of cycle/genetics and things come into play too?
On a side note: I did a cycle of 350mg test 250mg deca right before i turned 19.... I regret it now, but nothing would have convinced me not to do it. I had my mind set on it i guess i just had to get it outta my system haha. I wonder if i would have grown taller if i didnt do it even tho im already taller than both my parents (im just shy of 5'8"). Man i hate being short. Oh well. How much do males grow on average after the age of 19 anyway...?
Edit: When someone who has potentially not stopped growing juices like i did, do the growth plates fuse imediately regardless of any other circumstances? or does the amount of juice taken/length of cycle/genetics and things come into play too?
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I would imagine that it depends on many other factors; a tiny amount probably wouldn't make them fuse together immediately, meaning that it would take a significant amount most likely.
I just think that when someone juices, they didn't really 'earn' their physique nearly as much as those who do it naturally.
I just think that when someone juices, they didn't really 'earn' their physique nearly as much as those who do it naturally.
thanks IainDaniel
I think his achievements are great.
Drugs or no drugs he still must have worked his ass off in the gym and in the kitchen.
If it wasn't for this natural contest coming up next year sometime i would be injecting myself silly by now.
The good thing about this is it is allowing me to train naturally and get a better base before i start as I have to wait.
Get my diet and training sorted not forgetting research.
I think his achievements are great.
Drugs or no drugs he still must have worked his ass off in the gym and in the kitchen.
If it wasn't for this natural contest coming up next year sometime i would be injecting myself silly by now.
The good thing about this is it is allowing me to train naturally and get a better base before i start as I have to wait.
Get my diet and training sorted not forgetting research.
stu, coleman stayed natural to around 230-240 with about 5% bf, he had the genetics to get him their naturally. WHEN HE MET brian dobson in the late 80's or so, HE STARTED TO USE THEM. thats when he started packing on even more mass. im not sure where i read this at but i have seen the article pertaining to colemans use of steriods.
He did? Where? This I have to see.myCATpowerlifts said:
I love a good gossip.
ForemanRules said:
I should post some of the PMs I've sent teenagers enquiring about steroids. Hell! Not even teenagers, but adults!
I will be the first to admit that ANY person would be better off not taking steroids, and not just for your typical 'media hysteria' reasons.
As a side note, I gained the 80 pounds before I ever touched a steroid. I've gained less weight with steroids than I ever did naturally, but obviously it's improved my look ten-fold.
Natural or not I've always been 'ahead of the game' thanks to genetics. If someone can't look great naturally, steroids will never solve their problem. Sure one may improve greatly, but that's all relative.
