Weight Loss Plateau

[Premo55]

Well Jill, if you look and feel like you're losing fat, then I don't see what you're worried about. You may be miraculously gaining LBM.

Peace.

 

[SPIKE1257]

^ Man, I just wrote a long-ass post about this the other day. Okay. Muscle is seen as useless to the body, right? Obviously your body wishes to get rid of muscle preferentially as opposed to fat, which is required for survival. As such you risk extreme catabolism when you do cardio frist thing in the morning when your body is hungry for nutrients. The punishment that HIIT inflicts on your CNS in general isnt' much fun first thing in the morning either.

That being said, if that's you in your avatar that is a ridiculous stomach.

Peace.

OPINIONS VARY.... :

 

[JLB001]

Jill...eat the bagel with PB. But only buy one bagel not a whole package, that way you won't want to eat the whole bag.

Premo....cardio on an empty tummy really varies by person. Myself I do cardio on an empty tummy and never lost LBM. Myself, I believe if you are eatting quality foods as protein sources it shouldn't matter much. After doing cardio this way for two years of contest prep., I have lost very little muscle from am cardio.

 

[Paynne]

Trust in the Jodis. I bet if you did a refeed you'd lose a pound next week. You're damn sexy already so what could it hurt?

 

[carbchick]

Jill I know how you feel - after the cheat, the deluge. but you need to try to get your head around a bigger calorie day and to learn how to do it safely and to trust yourself. Easy to say, SOOOO tough to do, I KNOW and you know I know. Plan a higher cal day, tell yourself it is for your own good, work out the macros, eat them, and then go back to baseline. Bagel if you wish, Clean foods if easier to handle. Arm yourself with the knowledge and awareness before you do it. Cut out the emotional aspect by regarding it as 'inputs' and 'results' - a scientific experiment.
good luck girl and keep us posted

 

[JLB001]

I ate 3/4 of a LARGE thin crust cheese pizza from Pizza Hut. (only 2 slices left)

And...no, I do not feel guilty!

 

[Jill]

3/4 of a pizza? WOW, I thought 4 pieces of a medium sized one was lots! You really do have an apetite girl!

I know i know Carbchick. Next week I think I may have a higher carb day. Mentally is deff the hardest, especially since its been sort of a life long problem, me and ed.

 

[JLB001]

It was thin thin crust...easy to do. LOL

 

[Jodi]

LMAO - I wonder which Jodi(e) could eat more in 1 sitting

I have healthy appetite too Jodie

 

[JLB001]

I think we could give each a run for the money. LOL

Hell a large thin crust pizza is only a small deep dish pan all rolled out thin.

 

[Premo55]

I can out-eat anyone on this board. I think.

Peace.

 

[JLB001]

Craig does a large pan pizza on his own.

 

[Premo55]

I think I could manage that. I just don't know if my stomach would for the next day or so, though.

Peace.

 

[Jenny]

Jill, don't worry, it's only been a week Plus, you cheated on Sat, the water weight could still mess with you Don't get obsessed about the scale again missy And try to mentally prepare yourself for refeeding and separating that from bingeing before doing it

 

[DrChiro]

I ordred a large papa johns pizza about 5 months ago and they informed me they were having a special: 2 larges for the price of one...so I said...bring it on!

i ate them both in about 3 hours time while at work....it was not a good day after that...i could barely move....but pizza is so damn good!

 

[JLB001]

 

[jaim91]

I ate 3/4 of a LARGE thin crust cheese pizza from Pizza Hut. (only 2 slices left)

And...no, I do not feel guilty!

I do that about once a week, but the pizza is from Domino's. I find that if whenever you're hungry for carbs, you find something in your fridge or cabinet that has protein in it, and satiates you until your next meal. I eat about triple my weight in protein once a week...

 

[jaim91]

I can out-eat anyone on this board. I think.

Peace.

BRING IT ON!

 

[Jill]

Craig, your appetitie is crazzzzzzzzyyyyyyy!!!! You remind me of my bf Steve. If the two of you got together, you could do some serious 'food' damage. Me and Jodie would of course join ya!

 

[P-funk]

I can out-eat anyone on this board. I think.

Peace.

you are on

Please do not do cardio first thing in the morning. One of the worst things you can do. Just my opinion, of course. Just cheat, Jill, go a week on maintenance and take time off the gym.

That depends on a lot of things. Do a search in the training forum on this topic and use my name or Johhny's name. I posted a number of referenced articles and studies that would disagree with your statment big time.

Competition dieting is not healthy. Any of us dieting for a competition are putting our health and bodies as risk. We skim just above starvation mode to push our bodies to lose those last few pounds. Some, myself included, are often run down and force ourselves to get through each day. I tend to feel ill more often when my cals are low as well so the body is constantly fighting. Its very un-healthy and should not be intended as any everyday diet IMO.

I agree

 

[Jill]

Thanks P-Funk. I will do a search. I really only do empty stomach cardio 1X a week-the rest of the week I do my cardio after weights, always.

 

[Akateros]

That depends on a lot of things. Do a search in the training forum on this topic and use my name or Johhny's name. I posted a number of referenced articles and studies that would disagree with your statment big time.

That was worth the search.

 

[Jill]

Im doing cardio 5-6X a week. 45-60 mins after weights. Once a week am on an empty. Should I reduce my cardio??

 

[LAM]

Im doing cardio 5-6X a week. 45-60 mins after weights. Once a week am on an empty. Should I reduce my cardio??

Why are you not doing HIIT cardio ?

 

[Determination]

You know...I started thinking of cardio and how people say it can destroy your hard earned muscle and all of that

but isn't that simply a bunch of crap?

The only way that can happen is if you're not eating enough. Both cardio and eating frequent meals boost metabolism. Doing both along with weight training only work towards that in synergistic fashion. If your metabolism slows down along with your fatloss and you start experiencing LBM loss

Then your caloric deficit is just too low...we tend to not conpensate for the calories cardio burns thinking doing that would cancel each out...but in reality they work to boost our metabolism even further. This applies on a calorie deficit or surplus. The tendency ends up being dropping our calories too low (which seems to have happened in this case, and in mine as well) with the thought of speeding up fat loss

but it only works to slow it down...and our metabolism...and our muscle gains which may even turn into muscle loss

People go and blame it on cardio when in reality they're just not eating enough.

Saying cardio can destroy your hard earned muscle seems to be no more relevant than saying weight lifting can lead to overtraining.

 

[aztecwolf]

I can out-eat anyone on this board. I think.

Peace.

i'd take you up on that challenge premo, i have a little kobiyashi in me, i would seriously enter eating contest if i didn't have to gorge on hot dogs and the like

 

[aztecwolf]

You know...I started thinking of cardio and how people say it can destroy your hard earned muscle and all of that

but isn't that simply a bunch of crap?

The only way that can happen is if you're not eating enough. Both cardio and eating frequent meals boost metabolism. Doing both along with weight training only work towards that in synergistic fashion. If your metabolism slows down along with your fatloss and you start experiencing LBM loss

Then your caloric deficit is just too low...we tend to not conpensate for the calories cardio burns thinking doing that would cancel each out...but in reality they work to boost our metabolism even further. This applies on a calorie deficit or surplus. The tendency ends up being dropping our calories too low (which seems to have happened in this case, and in mine as well) with the thought of speeding up fat loss

but it only works to slow it down...and our metabolism...and our muscle gains which may even turn into muscle loss

People go and blame it on cardio when in reality they're just not eating enough.

Saying cardio can destroy your hard earned muscle seems to be no more relevant than saying weight lifting can lead to overtraining.

i was actually just thinking about that a couple of hours ago, i mean say i eat 2,500 cals and expend 2,000 cals of energy, i will have a surplus of 500 cals, now say i eat 3,500 cals and expend 3,000 cals of energy(xtra cardio)
I eat like this for one week and theoretically i should gain 1 lb. So in the first week where i ate only 2,500 cals i would gain more muscle/burn less muscle and therefore gain less fat compared to the week i ate 3,500 cals i would gain less muscle and even possibly burn muscle/ therefore gain more fat?
I just don't see how that makes any sense.

 

[jaim91]

Only if you do too much cardio, and start depleting your muscle stores rather than your glycogen and fat stores will you destroy your hard earned muscle.

 

[Determination]

Ronnie Coleman on cardio:

Should you do cardio only precontest, or is it important to do cardio off-season to control bodyfat levels?

RC: I do 45 minutes of moderately intense cardio activity four days a week, even when I'm not training for a contest, alternating between the stair-stepper, treadmill and bike. A lot of people think cardio makes you shrink, but cardio can actually gain muscle. Think about it: The more cardio you do, the more you'll want to eat, the more nutrients your body will have at its disposal for growth. Cardio will only make you shrink if you don't eat enough food or if you eat foods with poor nutritional value. Doing cardio certainly burns calories, but if you're eating enough of the right foods, the losses will be nearly all bodyfat, leaving you leaner and meaner all year round.

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Of course one can take this to the extreme and do too much...per se, you eat every 3 hours and you do 1.5 hours of cardio between each meal. That's just idiotic and I don't see how one could blame cardio for muscle loss.

 

[madden player]

What do you do when your weight hasnt dropped in a while, and your cals are already low?? Cut em even more??? OR, is it normal to hit a weight loss plateau for a while, and to just get past it, and then the weight will drop after that?

Your body is probally in what is called a "metabolic slowdown" state. Cutting your calories more would mean that your metabolism will eventually slow down again in response and you will hit another weight loss plateau.

You should stay at your maintanence calorie intake level and focus on building a little more lean mass. Just a couple ounces of muscle is enough to fire up the metabolism enough to burn that fat that hasn't been dropping off.

You DON'T want to drop your calories anymore if they are already low.