Will Non-Christians go to Hell?

[Nick+]

Please I'm drinking with a loaded gun right next to me

Don't give me that loaded gun crap
!!!!
I just gulped the last bit of Armagnac in agony, now at 7 mins to midnigjht I shall try and behavz myself by gong to sleep.......

(excuse the spelling mistakes, I haqve a french keyboqrd)

 

[dougnukem]

Please I'm drinking with a loaded gun right next to me

I'd been on CNN if I was doing that as a military guy.

 

[Nick+]

amazing people talking about loaded guns (yet alone about guns)
ermm, just not used to that sort of culture..........

 

[GFR]

Don't give me that loaded gun crap
!!!!
I just gulped the last bit of Armagnac in agony, now at 7 mins to midnigjht I shall try and behave myself by gong to sleep.......

(excuse the spelling mistakes, I have a french keyboard)

My 18 1/4 inch biceps are more power full than any gun....thus my comment

 

[Nick+]

My 18 1/4 inch biceps are more power full than any gun....thus my comment

You lucky bastard!

 

[NeilPearson]

You say this as if I didnt know it. All people shall be judged at the end of days, Christian or not. The Christians, (bear with me here, I dont mean this in any arrogant way at all, though it may sound it) will be found blameless, because they accepted the gift Christ offers. The non-Christian, however, will be found to have sinned, (as have all, save for Jesus), and will experience the second death. This second death can be interpreted in two ways, either their entire spiritual existance will be wiped from the universe, or they will go back to hell, and spend eternity there.

Finally truth

they don't go back to hell. Hell is cast into the fire and destroyed. But still hell (as in Sheol or Hades) is just the state of being dead waiting for judgement. There is no knowledge or pain or wisdom or consciousness in hell. Good and bad alike are sent there (which is obvious from the people that went to hell when they died - including Jesus - and all the good people in the bible that talked about going to hell (Sheol) when they were to die

 

[Nick+]

No Foreman- if you have got guns like that-my respect!!

 

[bio-chem]

Wow. as ive read the last 4 pages of posts the only real problem with Christianity as I see it has become ultimately apparent. That problem being the division of Christianity. unfortuneately within Christianity multiple sects have arisen each saying that they have the correct interpretation of the bible. The truth is much of Christianity does not even understand their own doctrines and therefore speculation and personal opinions abound. The resulting confusion leads to conflicting doctrines. This confusion also leads to pure, simple, and easy to understand Christianity becomeing a stumbleing block to non-christians trying to understand the wonderful teachings of Jesus Christ. And we are then left with questions such as this "will non-christians go to hell?" and even worse those christians who have the audacity to unequvically answer yes in their pride and arrogance.

i must say i disagree with many of the things posted on this thread by christians relateing to the doctrines of death, hell, and the resurection. all simple doctrines corrupted and changed over time due to lack of proper leadership in christianities checkered past.

having said all this i am not precluding the fact the truth has been permanetly lost. The true doctrines of Jesus Christ are still out there, we must unfortuneatly now look harder to find them.

 

[Rocco32]

Personally, I believe that children, those still with innocence ((a very vague, loose term)), those who have never heard the Gospel, all go to Heaven.

Rocco, from everything I've read, there is no "second chance" to repent after life has been lived. I cant quote scripture, but, I just get that feeling. Because after you die, there is no waiting room. Its either straight to Hell, or Heaven. No time, or place to say, "WAIT, GOD, I changed my mind!"

Well actually we do go before God. And every tongue will profess Christ and every knee will bow to him. That's scripture. But your basing people going to hell on "how you feel". That's a pretty heavy thing buddy.

 

[Rocco32]

And this is why I believe all faiths are actually derived from the same entity. Everyone is putting there faith in the same sentient being, whether they realize it or not. This is how I relate the passages in the Bible about being accepted into heaven by hearing the word and allowing Christ anto your life to be true for all religions. If they are not "Christian", but still have a faith based religion; ie: Muslim, Jewish, even Hinduism, they will be granted salvation. The Bible is just one interpretation of how a group of people follow God's way.

EXACTLY!!! I believe it all goes back to the same God.

 

[gococksDJS]

You say this as if I didnt know it. All people shall be judged at the end of days, Christian or not. The Christians, (bear with me here, I dont mean this in any arrogant way at all, though it may sound it) will be found blameless, because they accepted the gift Christ offers. The non-Christian, however, will be found to have sinned, (as have all, save for Jesus), and will experience the second death. This second death can be interpreted in two ways, either their entire spiritual existance will be wiped from the universe, or they will go back to hell, and spend eternity there.

But why is Christianity the one religion that exacts it's penalties on all mandkind, believer or not? If what you speak of is true, it means that an Orthodox Jewish Rabbi who leads a good and simple life was sentenced to hell the day he chose to believe in Judaism, but a Christian priest who has molested hundreds of young children still has a chance to go to heaven. If he asks for forgiveness from the Christian God that is. Am I the only one that has a problem with this?

And why shall all people be judged? Are they judged by the Christian God or their god(if they have one)?

 

[gococksDJS]

Why can't heaven simply be the happiest moment our souls can fathom and hell, the most painful experience we can fathom? If there is some sort of eternal situation for our souls, why is it's fate decided by a god?

 

[Rocco32]

Not derived from, though they are similar. 3 is a very natural number, many things happen in threes.

No, they are actually derived from Pagan beliefs. That was the Church's way of trying to destroy Pagan rituals and such. Take them over for themselves and call it Christian as they killed the Pagans.

 

[Rocco32]

these religeous threads are futile, no one is going to change their belief.

No, but it's nice to hear other viewpoints.

 

[gococksDJS]

No, but it's nice to hear other viewpoints.

I find these kind of debates very interesting, just as long as people don't get personal or to fanatical.

 

[bio-chem]

But why is Christianity the one religion that exacts it's penalties on all mandkind, believer or not? If what you speak of is true, it means that an Orthodox Jewish Rabbi who leads a good and simple life was sentenced to hell the day he chose to believe in Judaism, but a Christian priest who has molested hundreds of young children still has a chance to go to heaven. If he asks for forgiveness from the Christian God that is. Am I the only one that has a problem with this?

And why shall all people be judged? Are they judged by the Christian God or their god(if they have one)?

All of us will be judged by God. And by that i mean Christ. Christ is the God of everyone, wheather we recognize it, or accept it or not he is still God.

and to say the Jewish Rabbi who lives a good life is going to hell is asinine. If he lived a good life and accepts truth wherever it is to be found then he would have accepted Christ had he been given the opportunity, his blessings in the afterlife will be the same as any who accept Christ. and the christian priest who molests children does not go to heave simply by asking for forgiveness. repentence is more than that. repentence requires a change of heart. not to mention that priest must do all he can to make restitution. if he does not repent properly than his punishment will be worse because he knew the truth and went against it.

 

[min0 lee]

I find these kind of debates very interesting, just as long as people don't get personal or to fanatical.

Fuck you, now I will jump out the window in the name of something.

 

[dougnukem]

Okay, my internet was, what did I miss? anything?

 

[gococksDJS]

All of us will be judged by God. And by that i mean Christ. Christ is the God of everyone, wheather we recognize it, or accept it or not he is still God.

How did you come to this conclusion?

 

[bio-chem]

How did you come to this conclusion?

after all i have written you still have to ask?

 

[gococksDJS]

after all i have written you still have to ask?

Yes, because you are saying that your Christ is the God of everyone, whether or not they believe in him. I am not a theologian so this is a serious question. Do all religions accept that Christ is God? If not, it brings up the old argument of why one religions belief system is more valid than anothher.

 

[The13ig13adWolf]

Fuck you, now I will jump out the window in the name of something.

 

[NeilPearson]

Wow. as ive read the last 4 pages of posts the only real problem with Christianity as I see it has become ultimately apparent. That problem being the division of Christianity. unfortuneately within Christianity multiple sects have arisen each saying that they have the correct interpretation of the bible. The truth is much of Christianity does not even understand their own doctrines and therefore speculation and personal opinions abound. The resulting confusion leads to conflicting doctrines. This confusion also leads to pure, simple, and easy to understand Christianity becomeing a stumbleing block to non-christians trying to understand the wonderful teachings of Jesus Christ. And we are then left with questions such as this "will non-christians go to hell?" and even worse those christians who have the audacity to unequvically answer yes in their pride and arrogance.

I couldn't agree more. Christianity is vague and centered more on tradition and what was taught to them than what it says in the bible. The bible is hundreds of pages but people can only come up with maybe 5-6 quotes that show that hell is a place of torment where people can think or feel. Also these 5-6 quotes can easily be explained how they were taken out of context (as I explained in previous posts) and nobody has stepped up to even challenge my explainations. Yet this idea is central to Christian belief.

Other Christian beliefs that are based on only a few quotes taken out of context include the trinity and Jesus being God. Again, this should be a pretty critical central idea in the bible but it isn't. For every passage that says something that supports the Trinity, I could show you one that doesn't support it - and explain how and why the one that supports it could be taken out of context. Son of God is not God.

Matt 24:36 "No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father."

If he were God wouldn't he know?

There are other incidents in the bible that show he wasn't God. He prayed to God on the cross and asked why God has forsaken him. This doesn't make sense if he was God... because he'd be praying to himself and because he'd already know the answer.

This is why I no longer consider myself a Christian. I learned too much about what the bible says.

 

[P-funk]

I can't believe how brainwashed some people are.

 

[bio-chem]

Yes, because you are saying that your Christ is the God of everyone, whether or not they believe in him. I am not a theologian so this is a serious question. Do all religions accept that Christ is God? If not, it brings up the old argument of why one religions belief system is more valid than anothher.

because one is true and one isnt. thats what makes it more valid. you can ask why, why, why all you want, but sometimes you need to take a few steps in darkness before you will see the light. you are looking at this from a purely intelictual standpoint. how are you to understand something spiritual if not by the spirit? if you are looking for me to prove God to you, then your wasting your time, or maybe i am. ive said it before i have no desire to prove God to you.

 

[Nick+]

Rocco as things stand (with regards to the invasion of Iraq etc), the 'West' has not even two feet to stand on-with regards to "morals"................

Shit ,I should be asleep, theres some bloody cock (err cockerel/rooster for you americans!!!!!!)started sounding off at 03:45am here.
I'd better go back to sleep..........

 

[bio-chem]

Rocco as things stand (with regards to the invasion of Iraq etc), the 'West' has not even two feet to stand on-with regards to "morals"................

Shit ,I should be asleep, theres some bloody cock (err cockerel/rooster for you americans!!!!!!)started sounding off at 03:45am here.
I'd better go back to sleep..........

wrong thread. your right you need to go back to bed.

 

[bio-chem]

I can't believe how brainwashed some people are.

i know. to convince yourself there is no God. its amazing people can do that.

 

[Nick+]

wrong thread. your right you need to go back to bed.

SHUT UP
Myhead is about to hit the pillow...

 

[P-funk]

i know. to convince yourself there is no God. its amazing people can do that.

no comment.