Will Non-Christians go to Hell?

[bio-chem]

no comment.

its better that way

 

[P-funk]

its better that way

I know. that is why i don't debate religion. I don't want to offend anyone.

 

[Big Smoothy]

Apologies to the Original Poster for my childish comments.

The concept of "hell" however, is primarily Judeo-Christian.


If you want to study christian history, make sure you study it with a NON-Christian. Otherwise, a lot of things will be ommited.

Convenient, eh?

 

[bio-chem]

Apologies to the Original Poster for my childish comments.

The concept of "hell" however, is primarily Judeo-Christian.


If you want to study christian history, make sure you study it with a NON-Christian. Otherwise, a lot of things will be ommited.

Convenient, eh?

not all Christians convienently forget the past.

 

[gococksDJS]

i know. to convince yourself there is no God. its amazing people can do that.

I find it incredible that so many people convince themselves that organized religion is the absolute rule of everything, and that there is one religion that is right and the rest are wrong. What makes you think people have to convince themselves that there is no God? You make it sound as though God is rooted in everyone at birth, and at one time or another, all non-believers went through a personal struggle in order to make themselves stop believing. I have never stated that I don't believe in God, but why is it amazing that some people don't believe in something that there is no proof of?

Do you find the existence of Bigfoot, the Loch Ness monster and ghosts farfetched?

 

[Vieope]

So Jesus was born around Israel so he is jewish? Since we all know the H in Jesus H Christ means Hebrew. Then again, if you look into the face reconstruction made by scientists you can clearly see that Jesus is descendent of arabs, so he is a muslim. But Christ was born without a father, so he is a bastard, sorry for the word, so he was not baptized. Even if he was not a bastard, catholic chruch was not created until years later of his death.

In conclusion, Jesus is everything, even Viking but he is not catholic. So to answer your question yes, he is going to hell.

 

[Arnold]

i know. to convince yourself there is no God. its amazing people can do that.

it makes a hell of lot more sense (no pun intended) to believe there is no god than to believe there is... and it is a fact that religeon divides people and causes hate, death, wars, etc. religeon has killed more people than anything else in this world's history. I cannot think of one good thing that comes from being "religeous".

btw, I like to take the agnostic stance.

 

[bio-chem]

I find it incredible that so many people convince themselves that organized religion is the absolute rule of everything, and that there is one religion that is right and the rest are wrong. What makes you think people have to convince themselves that there is no God? You make it sound as though God is rooted in everyone at birth, and at one time or another, all non-believers went through a personal struggle in order to make themselves stop believing. I have never stated that I don't believe in God, but why is it amazing that some people don't believe in something that there is no proof of?

Do you find the existence of Bigfoot, the Loch Ness monster and ghosts farfetched?

i do believe that the belief in God is rooted in all men at birth. within us lies the desire to know why we are here, where we came from, and where we are going.

and organized religion. nothing makes more sense. using the assumprion that there is a God nothing is more logical that he would want us to know about him. If there is a God and he is our creator then he had a purpose in creating us. If he had a purpose in creating us then he has a plan for us. and if he has a plan for us then we must logically know of this plan so we may follow and benifit from it. are we to do this blindly? stumbling around in the dark and making up our own beliefs and doctrines about him? i think not. if there is a God and i believe there is, then he wants me to know about him, and he will set up his church that i may go there and learn of him, and his plan so that i may worship him as he desires.

it makes no sense to me that God will create us and then just leave us alone, without guidance. with no purpose.

 

[bio-chem]

So Jesus was born around Israel so he is jewish? Since we all know the H in Jesus H Christ means Hebrew. Then again, if you look into the face reconstruction made by scientists you can clearly see that Jesus is descendent of arabs, so he is a muslim. But Christ was born without a father, so he is a bastard, sorry for the word, so he was not baptized. Even if he was not a bastard, catholic chruch was not created until years later of his death.

In conclusion, Jesus is everything, even Viking but he is not catholic. So to answer your question yes, he is going to hell.

are you really this retarded? this proves my point of people making up doctrines as they see fit with no guidance. all the more reason God would set up his church, that those who had the desire and searched for it would find it and understand God's plan for us.

face reconstruction made by scientists. i loved that one, what else do you have.

 

[gococksDJS]

i do believe that the belief in God is rooted in all men at birth. within us lies the desire to know why we are here, where we came from, and where we are going.

and organized religion. nothing makes more sense. using the assumprion that there is a God nothing is more logical that he would want us to know about him. If there is a God and he is our creator then he had a purpose in creating us. If he had a purpose in creating us then he has a plan for us. and if he has a plan for us then we must logically know of this plan so we may follow and benifit from it. are we to do this blindly? stumbling around in the dark and making up our own beliefs and doctrines about him? i think not. if there is a God and i believe there is, then he wants me to know about him, and he will set up his church that i may go there and learn of him, and his plan so that i may worship him as he desires.

it makes no sense to me that God will create us and then just leave us alone, without guidance. with no purpose.

So are you telling me if you took a child and isolated him from all external religious influence from the day he was born, that he would form a belief in God similar to the one you believe in?We are not born with a belief in God. The question of why we exist, what we came from and why is not the same question as "why did God create us?", because one of these questions leaves room for many reasons as to why, but the other only leaves room for why God did. The drive to discover where man came from, what purpose we serve and why has led to some incredible discoveries in science, discoveries which discredit the theory of a divine creator, so does that mean their discoveries can not answer why we exist and where we came from simply because they have nothing to do with God? Einstein discovered General Relativity, and it has never been disproven, not even once. It also directly conflicts with what the Bible says about creation despite the fact that he started out by asking "why" And the answer to Einstein's "why" was not God, but a mathematical equation.

Why is it that we have to have an answer as to why we are here and what happens when we die? Why is seeing believing for so many things in our lives but believing is seeing when it comes to organized religion? I grew up in catholic schools, and it's teachings never fully satisfied me as to why. It seems to me that organized religion just fills in the answers to questions we can't comprehend. As I have become more educated, I have found the answers to what I used to attribute to a god in science, but not once have I found an answer to what I attribute to science in god.

 

[gococksDJS]

are you really this retarded? this proves my point of people making up doctrines as they see fit with no guidance. all the more reason God would set up his church, that those who had the desire and searched for it would find it and understand God's plan for us.

face reconstruction made by scientists. i loved that one, what else do you have.

What makes his viewpoints retarted? Can it be proven that the bible is nothing more than a book of doctrines that its writers made up as they saw fit? And how do you know that God's plan isn't merely something that a human wrote as they saw fit? If both of these questions can't be answered with definitive, concrete evidence that can be seen by believers and non-believers alike, then his statements are no more retarted than your own.

 

[Vieope]

are you really this retarded? this proves my point of people making up doctrines as they see fit with no guidance. all the more reason God would set up his church, that those who had the desire and searched for it would find it and understand God's plan for us.

face reconstruction made by scientists. i loved that one, what else do you have.

God damn it. How can you think that I was serious? Jesus Viking? H for Hebrew? Didnt that tip you off that I might be joking?
But do you want a good argument to refute this religion? Ok, are you ready? Here it comes.


It doesnt make sense.

 

[Tier]

What makes his viewpoints retarted? Can it be proven that the bible is nothing more than a book of doctrines that its writers made up as they saw fit? And how do you know that God's plan isn't merely something that a human wrote as they saw fit? If both of these questions can't be answered with definitive, concrete evidence that can be seen by believers and non-believers alike, then his statements are no more retarted than your own.

There are just people who can see sense and people like him. That's all there is to it. It's always been this way though, people revolting against ideas that conflict with the masses. Most of them are fed this shit since birth so I can't blame them too much, I just feel sorry for them.

 

[Rocco32]

it makes a hell of lot more sense (no pun intended) to believe there is no god than to believe there is... and it is a fact that religeon divides people and causes hate, death, wars, etc. religeon has killed more people than anything else in this world's history. I cannot think of one good thing that comes from being "religeous".

btw, I like to take the agnostic stance.

I think a lot of Christians are close minded, most definately. But this statement as most posted by you concerning religion and politics are just sad and uninformed Nothing like being extreme with your views, eh Robert?

 

[NeilPearson]

What makes his viewpoints retarted? Can it be proven that the bible is nothing more than a book of doctrines that its writers made up as they saw fit? And how do you know that God's plan isn't merely something that a human wrote as they saw fit? If both of these questions can't be answered with definitive, concrete evidence that can be seen by believers and non-believers alike, then his statements are no more retarted than your own.

Jesus was obviously Jewish. This is not really debatable. The bible says it many times as well as any other historical reference of his life (and there were more than just the bible)

And the part about him not being Catholic so he is going to hell is the stupidest thing I've read yet in this thread. First of all Catholic does not mean Christian. Catholic is just one form of Christianity (and probably the most warped and non-biblical). Second of all, Christ did go to hell (as I have already pointed out) when he died. He went there when he died and stayed there until the ressurection.

 

[god hand]

I find it incredible that so many people convince themselves that organized religion is the absolute rule of everything, and that there is one religion that is right and the rest are wrong. What makes you think people have to convince themselves that there is no God? You make it sound as though God is rooted in everyone at birth, and at one time or another, all non-believers went through a personal struggle in order to make themselves stop believing. I have never stated that I don't believe in God, but why is it amazing that some people don't believe in something that there is no proof of?

Do you find the existence of Bigfoot, the Loch Ness monster and ghosts farfetched?

Uh foreman?

 

[P-funk]

lol, this is why religion is the downfall of man. This is why virtually all wars come back to some religious beliefs. Everyone wants to believe that they are right or what they believe is the only way.

I don't understand why people that are overly christian feel that anyone who is not is damned in life. Give me a fucking break. You are just as bad as any of the assholes in the middle east who wage holy war on others.

 

[min0 lee]

lol, this is why religion is the downfall of man. This is why virtually all wars come back to some religious beliefs. Everyone wants to believe that they are right or what they believe is the only way.

I don't understand why people that are overly christian feel that anyone who is not is damned in life. Give me a fucking break. You are just as bad as any of the assholes in the middle east who wage holy war on others.

 

[The Monkey Man]

lol, this is why religion is the downfall of man. This is why virtually all wars come back to some religious beliefs. Everyone wants to believe that they are right or what they believe is the only way.

I don't understand why people that are overly christian feel that anyone who is not is damned in life. Give me a fucking break. You are just as bad as any of the assholes in the middle east who wage holy war on others.

- Thats a future SIG again...

 

[P-funk]

- Thats a future SIG again...

lol, you should have seen what i had typed at the end of it that erased....hahaha....really harsh.

 

[Pepper]

lol, this is why religion is the downfall of man. This is why virtually all wars come back to some religious beliefs. Everyone wants to believe that they are right or what they believe is the only way.

I don't understand why people that are overly christian feel that anyone who is not is damned in life. Give me a fucking break. You are just as bad as any of the assholes in the middle east who wage holy war on others.

It is what the Bible says. I don't understand how people can come up with a belief system that they just make up based on what they feel or think. That is what is absurd.

I also don't understand faulting people for believing their religion is right. What the hell do you expect? A religion is a belief system, but we are supposed to allow for other religions.

Furthermore, I don't understand why people go this far out of their way to blast Christianity. If you don't believe, WTF do you care if I think non-Christians are going to hell.

I guarantee my belief system makes much more sense than yours. Mine has a foundation. Mine is a way of life.

 

[P-funk]

It is what the Bible says. I don't understand how people can come up with a belief system that they just make up based on what they feel or think. That is what is absurd.

I also don't understand faulting people for believing their religion is right. What the hell do you expect? A religion is a belief system, but we are supposed to allow for other religions.

Furthermore, I don't understand why people go this far out of their way to blast Christianity. If you don't believe, WTF do you care if I think non-Christians are going to hell.

I guarantee my belief system makes much more sense than yours. Mine has a foundation. Mine is a way of life.

I am not trying to blast christianity at all. I am just blasting those that think that they are so above everyone because they believe in a certain religion. This is why people get in wars.

I grew up catholic and went to a catholic high school and everything. But I am not a religious man. that doesn't make me a bad man though or any less then anyone else.

I don't care if you think non-christians are going to hell or not. I could careless. I just think it is funny that people need a religion to tell them how to live their life. Like a bunch of sheep being led to the slaughter. Everyone plays follow the leader. You belief system has a great foundation...."follow me" he says "i know the way". I would rather think for myself.

 

[Pepper]

It doesn't make you "bad" but it doesn't make you "saved."

That is the point of this thread.

You really think war happens b/c of religion? They may be in the name of religion but they are because of man. Christ taught peace.

 

[P-funk]

It doesn't make you "bad" but it doesn't make you "saved."

That is the point of this thread.

You really think war happens b/c of religion? They may be in the name of religion but they are because of man. Christ taught peace.

Allah also taught peace. It is how people interpret their teachings and the elietest attitudes that come with them that create the problems.

 

[Pepper]

So we are supposed to believe Christ when he says He is the only way to Heaven and also believe non-believers will go to Heaven?

We are ellitest and closed minded if we don't? Come on. We are horribly irrational if we did that.

 

[P-funk]

So we are supposed to believe Christ when he says He is the only way to Heaven and also believe non-believers will go to Heaven?

We are ellitest and closed minded if we don't? Come on. We are horribly irrational if we did that.

But, why condem people just because they don't believe in the same thing? What happens to those that practice religion but something other then YOUR religion? What about muslims? Where do they go when they die? They believe in a religion but not the same as yours. And in theory, their religion is peaceful too. Do they go to hell also?

What if, when you die, there is no heaven? There is no god? How do you know?

I am just asking. These are things that always bugged me growing up in an Italian-Catholic family. I always felt that if you really believe in a God that is all good then why can't you believe that everyone who lives a good life will be open to heaven, no matter what they believed. God loves everyone.

I don't go to church anymore. I don't pray. I believe in something. I don't know what exactly. But I believe in something. Honestly, when you die I think that whatever you beleive happens to your "soul" will happen. If you believe in heaven and hell then there you go. If you believe in something else then there you go.

 

[god hand]

it makes a hell of lot more sense (no pun intended) to believe there is no god than to believe there is... and it is a fact that religeon divides people and causes hate, death, wars, etc. religeon has killed more people than anything else in this world's history. I cannot think of one good thing that comes from being "religeous".

btw, I like to take the agnostic stance.

Its funny how u people always make it sound like religion is all about love. You no there is a satan in the Christian religion dont you!

 

[god hand]

are you really this retarded? this proves my point of people making up doctrines as they see fit with no guidance. all the more reason God would set up his church, that those who had the desire and searched for it would find it and understand God's plan for us.

face reconstruction made by scientists. i loved that one, what else do you have.

Vieope is just a fuckin loser. Dont try to explain nothin to him.

 

[Rocco32]

So we are supposed to believe Christ when he says He is the only way to Heaven and also believe non-believers will go to Heaven?

We are ellitest and closed minded if we don't? Come on. We are horribly irrational if we did that.

Absolutely we are to believe that. What you've been saying Pepper and a few others is what I've come to hate or really dislike about the Christian attitude. You believe what you believe because it's what's been taught to you.

 

[Rocco32]

Vieope is just a fuckin loser. Dont try to explain nothin to him.

Lay off V dude.