Your Sexual Orientation

[Pepper]

Having read John H's post before, if you are anything short of "homosexuality is 100% OK and should be encouraged, if not mandated" he thinks you are anti-gay and a religious nut case.

 

[John H.]

Consider this....

So shoot me, the mental picture of one man kissing another repulses me.

Hi Spike,

Shoot you? Absolutely NEVER!

I completely understand what you are saying. What is fine for you IS for you. What I am trying to say and you are missing is that there is variation in Sexuality - variety - as with anything in life and what is fine for you may not be for another. One Man may want to be able to kiss another Man for example and he certainly should be able to - as long as each involved agree certainly - without the interference from others. Certainly you would not want someone telling you and forcing on you their dislike if they felt that if you were to kiss a Female they would find that something they did not "agree with" - see what I am saying?

I firmly believe in living and letting live - as long as each is of age and ability of consent and give that consent freely. Anything else is absolutely no one else's business - not you, I, the government, not religion. Sexuality is a very basic thing very important in life - necessary to really live life honestly. People need to BE who they honestly ARE as born.

Everyone has their likes and dislikes. That is fine. But to legislate those views on another in a subject that is multi-faceted - varied naturally - is completely wrong. Everyone has basic rights - their Sexuality being one of the most basic, to BE who they truly are as born.

Would you like to have someone else tell you that if they saw you kissing a Female that you must not do that because they found that "repulsive"?

What if someone walked up to you and TOLD you you could not Bodybuild because "they did not like it or agree with it"? - SAME THING. You are ENTITLED to build your body. It is an absolute right you have! See what I am saying?

Take Care, John H.

 

[John H.]

Don't put words in my mouth, I don't find you or anyone gay repulsive.. it is the act itself (2 men being intimate) I can't relate to..

Hi Spike,

That really is not my intention at all Spike.

I do understand what you are saying - for YOU it is not something YOU are interested in - that's fine. It is NOT my intention to FORCE you to accept or agree with anything. I am asking that people UNDERSTAND all the aspects of Sexuality - not necessarily "accepting them for themselves" - to honestly UNDERSTAND all aspects and allow people to do as they need to do for themselves without interference from others - as long as everyone involved is of age and ability of consent and give that consent freely.

Take Care, John H.

 

[John H.]

Seriously, John H., just because he finds two guys kissing disgusting does not mean he finds you or gays in general disgusting.

My dog licks his balls - an act that I find disgusting - but he still my dog and I love him. (and before you flame me, I am not comparing gays to dogs!)

Hi Pepper,

I did not really think that of Spike.

Flame you - NEVER! Why would I? I never have a problem with talking to Men - Man to Man.

As for your dog, I do understand that his licking his balls is necessary for him to be clean and healthy. He does not have "hands" to wash as Humans do. And I do not find a dog licking himself disgusting at all because I understand the necessity of that - there certainly could be more to it as well - that I am not aware of though (after all I am not a dog and only a dog would really know...)


Take Care, John H.

 

[John H.]

Not at all true

Having read John H's post before, if you are anything short of "homosexuality is 100% OK and should be encouraged, if not mandated" he thinks you are anti-gay and a religious nut case.

Hi Pepper,

That is not at all true actually. I am a BiSexual Man. All I have tried to do is have others DO their own research with respect to Sexuality with an open mind OBJECTIVELY - ALL aspects. That IS how anyone truly understands anything. That IS how people truly learn anything.

Take Care, John H.

 

[camarosuper6]

GODDD....this is too much. John H. I want to introduce you do another member on our board who posts similar odd and pecular posts. His name is Johnnny. You guys as a tag team could tear apart any regular bodybuilding board with your outrageously strange threads.

You voted for Bush didn't you?

WTF does that have to do with anything.

And Yes I did.

 

[Du]

GODDD....this is too much. John H. I want to introduce you do another member on our board who posts similar odd and pecular posts. His name is Johnnny. You guys as a tag team could tear apart any regular bodybuilding board with your outrageously strange threads.

I think introducing him to pmorphy would be a better idea. Maybe they can hang out.

 

[Rocky_Road]

For a bodybuilding forum, there sure are a lot of threads about sexuality......

 

[Du]

For a bodybuilding forum, there sure are a lot of threads about sexuality......

THANK YOU, JOHN H.

THANK YOU, PMORPHY.

 

[Du]

For a bodybuilding forum, there sure are a lot of threads about sexuality......

Theyre like those door-to-door bible thumpers, trying to convert people.

 

[min0 lee]

I think introducing him to pmorphy would be a better idea. Maybe they can hang out.

 

[John H.]

GODDD....this is too much. John H. I want to introduce you do another member on our board who posts similar odd and pecular posts. His name is Johnnny. You guys as a tag team could tear apart any regular bodybuilding board with your outrageously strange threads.



WTF does that have to do with anything.

And Yes I did.

Hi Camarosuper6,

Yes, this is a Bodybuilding Board. Yes, there is a section devoted to the subject of Sex. I believe it is devoted to the discussion of Sex and that is what I am doing on that Section - discussing. Perhaps my posts would be considered "odd" and "pecular" since a person does not often see posts that are aimed at getting to the truth of a subject objectively and completely and accurately. Sex is a very basic subject and the whole (its entirety and scope and variations) of that subject is not really understood by people truthfully (No, I do not think I know ALL about it in its entirety but I do my best to know and understand all aspects of it - even those I personally may not "accept" for myself because I understand there is variety in all things). This country has become a nation of many "followers" and few Human Beings that are truly INDIVIDUAL with the brain God gave them to utilize objectively.

Did I vote for George Bush? Absolutely NOT - not the first time, not the second time around. Not ever. As long as the religious right - the zealots - are in bed with the Republicans you will never see freedom in this country as was intended by Our Founding Fathers.

As for "tag teaming" - thanks but I can find those I am interested in - and they me - by myself.

Take Care, John H.

 

[cman]

Hi Spike,

I wondered that myself just like anyone else would wonder about anything actually and did a lot of "soul searching", asking questions, getting information about, etc. ... Certainly I have learned about the hatred and the bigotry that exists towards those who are BiSexual or Homosexual and where that actually comes from and why. Learning all a person can about anything really helps to understand honestly about anything - and accurately. I keep an open mind about all things and am very objective...

No, I am BiSexual. I kinda figured that out early on actually and am just as fine with that as someone who is Heterosexual because I understand variety and variation in all things in life and living including Sexuality and it is natural.

Take Care, John H.

Believe I said this once already but here goes again.

Andrew Dice clay say's it best!

Bisexual? You either suck D**k, or you don't suck D**k!

 

[John H.]

Believe I said this once already but here goes again.

Andrew Dice clay say's it best!

Bisexual? You either suck D**k, or you don't suck D**k!

Hi Cman,

If you will look at books on Biology and the Natural Sciences you will see there is Heterosexual, BiSexual and Homosexual. Also, I own a farm and work construction everyday and I can tell you there is variety in all things. Naturally so. Always has been and always will be - there is variety in all things in life and living - including Sex. If you want to truly know why you would have to ask Our Creator - as with anything in life that is good and sacred there is damn good reasons...

Do I? Yes I do. Those that I care about - and them me. Do others that I know do for me? Yes they do. Those that care about me and me them. When you truly care about another Human Being - regardless of their Gender - sex is an important aspect of that caring that is honest and sincere. As with Heterosexual Sex it is completely natural, right and good. No one "uses" me nor do I "use" them.

Take Care, John H.

 

[ponyboy]

John, then why is it that YOU ONLY POST IN THE SEX SECTION!? I think out of 600 posts probably 500 of them are here promoting the latest book or movie that supports you and your lifestyle. If you're trolling for bisexual partners, which we all can only conclude that you are, then go somewhere else.

Back to the farm John Boy, back to the farm.

I don't know why I'm even bothering - no matter how much you say it to a moron like this they won't leave. Best just to block all posts.

 

[John H.]

John, then why is it that YOU ONLY POST IN THE SEX SECTION!? I think out of 600 posts probably 500 of them are here promoting the latest book or movie that supports you and your lifestyle. If you're trolling for bisexual partners, which we all can only conclude that you are, then go somewhere else.

Back to the farm John Boy, back to the farm.

I don't know why I'm even bothering - no matter how much you say it to a moron like this they won't leave. Best just to block all posts.

Pony,

This might come as a shock but I, I - AM A MAN. A Mature Adult Male. I DO have - and HAVE EARNED - the right to speak about anything (I have served honorably in the Military in defense of this country). I WORK and I WORK HARD each and every day to EARN my way in this life for myself and my family...

I'd like to ask you - WHO do you think you are that you can come here and try to tell someone else what they can and can not do? WHO "gave you" that "right" - when did you become "Mr. Big"?

NO ONE forces you - or anyone else - to read anything that is posted. By anyone! Here's the thing: if you do not like what is posted DO NOT READ IT - NO ONE is making you read anything.

When you post, I never tell you that you should not, can not, don't, etc. post. So I have to ask you then: why would you think you can tell me or anyone else what to do or not? And that I or anyone else would actually listen to you?

I know "republicans" generally would like to have all others removed from the face of this earth BUT WE ARE HERE TO STAY. EVEN if you all end up with everything - which seems to be what you are after- ("The hell with everyone else on the face of this earth" "I want it ALL")...

You have some growing up to do. And, BECOME the MAN you would like others to "think" you are...

John H.

 

[DOMS]

Hi Spike,

The difference between you and me is that while you find me "repulsive" apparently because of your expressions and because of your misunderstanding and misinformation I do not find you the same. People ARE Heterosexual, BiSexual and Homosexual NATURALLY so. I truly understand people and variation and variety. It is a natural part of life and living. If a person is not interested in someone else that is perfectly fine but to take that disinterest to "a higher level" such as you apparently display is not being an adult and a Man in my book. If you are not interested, you are not interested - in a Man the difference lies in a Man understanding truthfully that there is variety in life and in living and if he is not interested he just moves on without making disparaging remarks or hateful comments.

Sometimes there are some who make these remarks because of THEIR questioning of themselves and not being honest with themselves or with others.

I like people - Human Beings - Male AND Female. But not "all".

Take Care, John H.

So let's get this straight, because you thought that Spike found your sexual orientation repulsive, you needed to launch is a diatribe to point out that his way is somehow wrong.

To recap:

- You like being gay: OK
- Spike thinking that two guys getting it on is repulsive: not OK




Lastly, don't try to take the copout that being gay is natural.
Technically, being retarded is natural too.

 

[ponyboy]

Pony,

This might come as a shock but I, I - AM A MAN. A Mature Adult Male. I DO have - and HAVE EARNED - the right to speak about anything (I have served honorably in the Military in defense of this country). I WORK and I WORK HARD each and every day to EARN my way in this life for myself and my family...

I'd like to ask you - WHO do you think you are that you can come here and try to tell someone else what they can and can not do? WHO "gave you" that "right" - when did you become "Mr. Big"?

NO ONE forces you - or anyone else - to read anything that is posted. By anyone! Here's the thing: if you do not like what is posted DO NOT READ IT - NO ONE is making you read anything.

When you post, I never tell you that you should not, can not, don't, etc. post. So I have to ask you then: why would you think you can tell me or anyone else what to do or not? And that I or anyone else would actually listen to you?

I know "republicans" generally would like to have all others removed from the face of this earth BUT WE ARE HERE TO STAY. EVEN if you all end up with everything - which seems to be what you are after- ("The hell with everyone else on the face of this earth" "I want it ALL")...

You have some growing up to do. And, BECOME the MAN you would like others to "think" you are...

John H.

My issue is not what you post, I could care less about that. My issue is that you are posting ONLY SEXUAL THREADS on a very obviously non sexual forum. You have received nothing but insults from many people here. If this was obviouslyIamagaymanrepressingmydesires.com I would not be troubled by it.

This forum is not the bisexual book of the month club. If you made posts in ANY OTHER SECTION and provided any sound input to anything then there would be no issue in my mind. The only time I see you post is here in this section. And it is always about things promoting YOUR LIFESTYLE. That is your choice, but to me it doesn't provide anything useful in the slightest. To me you're just as bad as a Jehovah's Witness - you feel that your beliefs are what is right and that's it. And who are "we" anyway? I'm not even an American.

As for who I am - I'm someone who is expressing his opinion, just like you are. I'm sure you have had enough negative feedback to realize that you are simply a troll in most people's minds. Including mine.

 

[John H.]

So let's get this straight, because you thought that Spike found your sexual orientation repulsive, you needed to launch is a diatribe to point out that his way is somehow wrong.

To recap:

- You like being gay: OK
- Spike thinking that two guys getting it on is repulsive: not OK




Lastly, don't try to take the copout that being gay is natural.
Technically, being retarded is natural too.

Cfs,

Spike feeling that my Sexual Orientation is "repulsive" IS from his "learning"... "Religion" has a lot to do with this misinformation and outright lying - NOT from FACTS as to its naturalness, rightness, etc.

As to Heterosexual, BiSexual and Homosexual - they ARE EACH VERY MUCH NATURAL. And just as right, good, and proper when each person cares about each other and is not just using them.

Re: Natural: see BIOLOGICAL EXUBERANCE, By Bruce Bagemihl (St. Martin's Press).

Re: Past information: see FORBIDDEN FRIENDSHIPS, by Michael Rocke (Oxford University Press)

Re: Sexuality in all forms: see: SEXUAL BEHAVIOR IN THE HUMAN MALE and SEXUAL BEHAVIOR IN THE HUMAN FEMALE, by Dr. Alfred Kinsey (and others) (Sauders Medical Publishing, 1948 and 1953 respectively, each reprinted in 1998 by Indiana University Press)

Re: "...the copout that being gay is natural" - it certainly IS NOT a "copout" it IS a FACT that has ALWAYS EXISTED and ALWAY WILL as with each of the Sexualities.

Re: "Technically being retarded is natural too" - not necessarily so as some are naturally (as born) but not all (and for a number of reasons not all being directly connected with the natural - it very well could be the result of the mother and how the child was cared for prior to birth or even after or not) - and - being retarded has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with the subject of a person's Sexuality AS BORN.

John H.

 

[John H.]

My issue is not what you post, I could care less about that. My issue is that you are posting ONLY SEXUAL THREADS on a very obviously non sexual forum. You have received nothing but insults from many people here. If this was obviouslyIamagaymanrepressingmydesires.com I would not be troubled by it.

This forum is not the bisexual book of the month club. If you made posts in ANY OTHER SECTION and provided any sound input to anything then there would be no issue in my mind. The only time I see you post is here in this section. And it is always about things promoting YOUR LIFESTYLE. That is your choice, but to me it doesn't provide anything useful in the slightest. To me you're just as bad as a Jehovah's Witness - you feel that your beliefs are what is right and that's it. And who are "we" anyway? I'm not even an American.

As for who I am - I'm someone who is expressing his opinion, just like you are. I'm sure you have had enough negative feedback to realize that you are simply a troll in most people's minds. Including mine.

Pony,

I think you are confused. YES, this is IRONMAGAZINE.COM - a Bodybuilding Forum. But IF you LOOK CLOSER you WILL SEE that you have posted and are reading items in the "Sexual Health" section - a place for the discussion of Sexual matters. This section IS PROVIDED for those who want to discuss Sex. So it follows that those things discussed here WILL BE on the subject of Sex. Other sections are provided for other topics and I have posted some on them as well. And will. On the subject of THAT Section.

As for me posting "ONLY SEXUAL THREADS" I have posted in other areas as well and when I get the time I will be doing more of that. I am presently on this section but I do not limit my discussion to only this section.

The "insults" - people get them all the time no matter what they say or not. Even over the simplest of statements. It comes from people who are ignorant - and in some cases even stupid (BY THEIR CHOICE). BEING a better person requires each person to TRY to DO that and learning from ALL sources ALL information ALL the time with an OPEN MIND and OBJECTIVELY, one of the ways a person BECOMES A BETTER PERSON. And in the end that is how this country "becomes better". Or the world for that matter. "Insults" are for those that are immature and childish. And maybe even "scared" of truth. Or find the truth somehow "earth shattering to their sensibilities"...

Your use of the word "moron" says a LOT about you. Thus my reply to your original statement. I try to make what I say CONSTRUCTIVE, NOT DESTRUCTIVE. And ADD to the BETTERMENT FOR THE BETTERMENT OF ALL. A person's Sexual Orientation IS AS BORN, something that IS VERY NATURAL. The J. W.'s you mention do not agree with this at all - but then they see "visions" all the time too like most "religious" people but as to FACTS they "see little to none" because it is "not convenient to them and their 'beliefs'" (the Mormons "saw visions" too and they believed in multiple partners) ... I DEAL IN FACTS, honest, accurate, complete, thorough, etc. as nearly as is possible for a Human Being to do. Do I make errors, sure, just as does any other Human Being but I sure try my damnest to keep those to a minimum and will acknowledge them when I see them or they are pointed out to me... AND I will correct those mistakes... But you will never see me continue to make the same mistake and put out information that is not true based on accurate fact.

If you want to talk or communicate like a MAN who IS MATURE and WILLING TO LEARN ACCURATELY AND HONESTLY, fine. If you are wanting to "stay in your shell" that is entirely up to you. YOU make your own bed and will sleep in it for the rest of your life. It IS entirely your choice.

As for "American" or not, that does not necessarily make anyone "right" or "wrong".

A "troll" - not at all. But I imagine that if you want to "think" that nothing I say will change your "mind" because that "is your mindset". Like I said before, I am a CONstructive person NOT DEstructive. Which are you? YOUR future hangs in the answer YOU give ...

John H.

 

[Pepper]

Your insistance that we accept and respect the homosexual lifestyle infringes on my rights. I have the right to find homosexuality wrong and repulsive.

Furthermore, what lying are you refering to? The Bible clearly states that homosexuality is wrong. Period. YOu need to accept that. I don't say that in a judgemental way, b/c I have plenty of sin in my life.

Christians believe homosexuality is wrong b/c the Bible says so and they have EVERY RIGHT to believe that and you are going to have to come to grips with that. Not everyone is going to accept your lifestyle and they shouldn't be forced to.

 

[ponyboy]

I don't think anyone should waste their breath anymore. Talking to this guy is like talking to a brick wall. And a really stupid brick wall at that. Therefore I'm not going to anymore. People like this troll live off of having pointless discussions with people about opinions - not facts. Don't feed the troll. Lesson learned.

 

[John H.]

I am VERY MUCH AGAINST hatred, bigotry, etc.

Your insistance that we accept and respect the homosexual lifestyle infringes on my rights. I have the right to find homosexuality wrong and repulsive.

Furthermore, what lying are you refering to? The Bible clearly states that homosexuality is wrong. Period. YOu need to accept that. I don't say that in a judgemental way, b/c I have plenty of sin in my life.

Christians believe homosexuality is wrong b/c the Bible says so and they have EVERY RIGHT to believe that and you are going to have to come to grips with that. Not everyone is going to accept your lifestyle and they shouldn't be forced to.

Hi Pepper,

I could "care less" whether you or anyone else "accept and respect the homosexual lifestyle...". I deal in facts not fantasy. But IT IS NATURAL as is Heterosexual and BiSexual. That IS a FACT. PERIOD. I deal in facts that are accurate. Not "visions"...

The Bible you refer to DOES NOT say ONE WORD about "Homosexuality" UNLESS you are referring to a "translation" that is current (being published today) because the Bible IS being RE-written to "fit" the current aggenda and is using the word "Homosexual" which was NEVER in the original. The word itself was not in use or even "coined" until about 1889 A. D....

God AND Christ THEMSELVES NEVER SAID ONE WORD ABOUT Homosexuality or BiSexuality being wrong. IF they were (those aspects of Sexuality) They WOULD HAVE SAID SO THEMSELVES and MANY TIMES. Christ was on this earth, for example, for 32 years we are told and had PLENTY opportunity to say something on this subject AND HE HIMSELF NEVER DID - NOT ONE TIME! God and Christ DO NOT EVER need someone else to SPEAK FOR THEM - THEY CAN SAY THEMSELVES WHAT THEY WANT TO SAY. They NEVER need someone else to speak for Them. Given the desires of some Human Beings to control others for their own personal gain God and Christ WOULD NEVER WANT Human Beings to SPEAK FOR THEM.

The "Bible" - REMEMBER it IS the word of MAN and WAS WRITTEN BY MEN - OVER 250 YEARS AFTER the death of Christ. I do not know about you, but I can have a hard time remembering - like most people - what happened the DAY BEFORE let alone 250 YEARS AFTER something occurred... And when you consider WHERE the "Bible" was "written" (the Middle East) a HOT-BED of anger, hatred, unrest, killing, murder, bigotry, unhappiness, unrest, fighting, etc. over who's "religion" is the "right" "religion" and who's "god" is the "true" "god" - or not - and they have BEEN DOING THIS FOR THEIR ENTIRE EXISTANCE, and when you consider the climate of the area, hot, dry, desert, sand blowing everywhere, unemployment, overpopulation, barreness, etc. and you throw "religion" and "seeing visions" into the equation.... AND you MUST consider that there ARE THOUSANDS of "religions" throughout the world EACH with "their own beliefs" - so who's IS "right" and who's is "wrong" TRUTHFULLY and ACCURATELY? The American Indians probably were closer to any truthfulness. And look what "christians" did to them!

And you bring up a good point about "forcing" because it IS the "forcing" of "christian" views that is happening here upon others based on "their beliefs", "beliefs" which are not accurate, honest, complete... When someone tells me that the "Bible" says (and in this instance IT CERTAINLY DOES NOT) and/or Christ "said" and He CERTAINLY NEVER DID NOT ONE TIME, and God "said" and He NEVER HIMSELF EVER SAID ONE WORD it leaves that "religion" wide open to honest questioning.

You or anyone else is entirely free to "believe" whatever you want. If you want to "believe" that you will have 21 virgins in your heaven after you commit suicide for the benefit of your "beliefs" that is entirely up to you... I on the other hand base my "beliefs" on FACTS that are honest, sincere, complete as possible, accurate, etc. and with an open mind and objectively ALL the time from ALL souces.

One thing more. God/Christ WOULD WANT someone to honestly and accurately and thoroughly QUESTION Them and Their existance - that IS how you - or anyone - TRULY FINE Them.

Take Care, John H.

 

[John H.]

I don't think anyone should waste their breath anymore. Talking to this guy is like talking to a brick wall. And a really stupid brick wall at that. Therefore I'm not going to anymore. People like this troll live off of having pointless discussions with people about opinions - not facts. Don't feed the troll. Lesson learned.

Pony,

YOU atttacked ME with your use of the word "moron". I made statements of FACT in a DISCUSSION in the "Sexual Health" section of This Board. LIKE A MAN. And because YOU did not agree with what I had to say YOU said I was a "moron" and a "troll" because of what I had to say IN A DISCUSSION.

Like I said to you before, you NEED to DO some growing up. You apparently have a long way to go. And, NOT slamming you as you have chosen to do to me, I RECOMMEND that FOR YOUR BENEFIT. BECOME the MAN you want others to think you are. Then I will believe you have truly learned your "lesson".

John H.

 

[crazy_enough]

So shoot me, the mental picture of one man kissing another repulses me.

Who's asking that you think about that?? U choose to visualize...Thats the problem here, when people think about homosexuality, bisexuality, all they think about is SEX...Isnt there a bit more to it than that, in any type of relationship?

What upsets me is that no one is gonna complain that Im a dyke(Im sure u dont have a problem with that mental picture!!) but when two guys admit to homosexual(bi) thoughts or actions, automotically its disgusting...Go figure!

I embrasse anyone who has the courage to be themselves...THAT takes guts, confidence and self love.KUDOS!

 

[crazy_enough]

Bisexual? You either suck D**k, or you don't suck D**k!

Sure, but if you eat pussy too, URE BI!

 

[trvlr70]

John H.,

Oh my God! I just joined IM and I'm already tired of your posts. I think it is great that you are proud of your bisexuality. However, why is it the ONLY thing you ever want to deal with? Don't you have any other personality traits that define you other than your sexuality? Your sexuality is important but not necessarily the only thing that comprises a person. This site is a common ground for people who workout or bodybuild. I could care less about a person's sexual orientation in regards to working out. You appear to be the one that makes it an issue. I look forward to a time when someone's sexual orientation will be about as significant as your hair color.

And Jesus, let's not drag the Bible into this ridiculousness.

 

[crazy_enough]

I look forward to a time when someone's sexual orientation will be about as significant as your hair color.

My goodness thats beautiful!!!!

Except I chage hair color very often!lol

 

[trvlr70]

My goodness thats beautiful!!!!

Except I chage hair color very often!lol

Crazy,

LOL...you're hysterical. I like you!

 

[ponyboy]

John H.,

Oh my God! I just joined IM and I'm already tired of your posts. I think it is great that you are proud of your bisexuality. However, why is it the ONLY thing you ever want to deal with? Don't you have any other personality traits that define you other than your sexuality? Your sexuality is important but not necessarily the only thing that comprises a person. This site is a common ground for people who workout or bodybuild. I could care less about a person's sexual orientation in regards to working out. You appear to be the one that makes it an issue. I look forward to a time when someone's sexual orientation will be about as significant as your hair color.

And Jesus, let's not drag the Bible into this ridiculousness.

Funny, this was my original point. However, this troll doesn't seem to know or talk about anything else.