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Zimmerman Rescues Man From The Truck Crash
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derp. i knew that. i suck at multi tasking. he could have had her call 911 while he called his dad.
i wonder if getting called a cracker actually stings anyone. it makes me laugh. i first heard it in vegas in the late 70's.
LW it's stuff like this that shows you aren't really looking at all the evidence, certainly not objectively. He did have his phone on him. He was talking to the heavy set black girl who testified at the trial she was on the phone with Martin when it all went down. The defense got her to admit during the cross examination that she had no idea who started the altercation.
why bleep out testimony. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-fwBaAPlP6c
so what is your take on a juror saying she feels he got away with murder?
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I actually find it funny because to me its more derogatory towards blacks, if you know history and where the term came from, Cracker was what slaves called their masters because they would crack a whip on them to get them working. so insult away its hilarious
or this
ORLANDO, Fla. ? Four of the jurors at the George Zimmerman trial are distancing themselves from statements that another juror made in a televised interview.
The four jurors issued a statement late Tuesday that the opinions expressed by Juror B37 to CNN?s Anderson Cooper on Monday night are not representative of their views.
They say Juror B37 was only speaking for herself.
... the jurors were initially divided on Zimmerman's guilt, with three jurors believing he was guilty of either manslaughter or second-degree murder, but that the jury agreed to acquit the 29-year-oldZimmerman after more closely reviewing the law.
ORLANDO, Fla. ? Four of the jurors at the George Zimmerman trial are distancing themselves from statements that another juror made in a televised interview.
The four jurors issued a statement late Tuesday that the opinions expressed by Juror B37 to CNN?s Anderson Cooper on Monday night are not representative of their views.
They say Juror B37 was only speaking for herself.
... the jurors were initially divided on Zimmerman's guilt, with three jurors believing he was guilty of either manslaughter or second-degree murder, but that the jury agreed to acquit the 29-year-oldZimmerman after more closely reviewing the law.
there was actually a black ball team called
Atlanta Black Crackers - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
i actually spoke of the phone n he should have called 911. sorry just have a migraine at just about the pain so bad i'm going to vomit stage... makes it hard to keep track of my own life let alone this thread.
It sounds like they wanted to convict him but got tripped up by that thing called the law.
i'd totally punk out on jury duty and get my ass out of doing it. respect to them for doing it and having so much reverence for the law. makes it all the more powerful when women with that much morality say they think he got away with murder.
I've not read the jurors account yet, I don't know. Seems fishy a juror would vote innocent, then come on tv right afterwards and say the person got away with murder.
Sorry LW. Hope these don't happen too often and you are feeling better
I will enlarge no more on the evidence, but submit it to you, gentlemen?Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passions, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence: nor is the law less stable than the fact. If an assault was made to endanger their lives, the law is clear, they had right kill in their own defence. John Adams in defending the troops who fired at the Boston Massacre
the fact is sometimes the jury has their hands tied due to the charges or the way a law is written. the fact is 5 of the jurors do not believe he is innocent and one plainly states he got away with murder. the lone juror that spoke out to explain why they voted not guilty makes it clear she wishes they could have got him on something. that is not a jury that thinks he is innocent.
i guess like the ugly business with the elections. lets see what happens and how well that stings your ring. 
That is precisely the point. The facts and law are independent of our wishes. It's a testament to the judicial system that a group of people ruled according to the law and not their emotion. Jurors are not supposed to be a mini mob.
yes. i agree. the jurors believe it was a crime with lack of proof. so do i.
The jury all said he was innocent of the charges. the jury thinks he is innocent. so far 2 jurors have spoken out that i know of, and each one has said things slightly different. So it's pretty hard to say it's a fact what these jurrors believe as they are speaking for each other. "He is innocent of manslaughter, and second degeree murder, but he got away with murder"???????? what the fuck does that even mean? what a bunch of horse shit
Juries never find defendants innocent. They cannot. Not only is it not their job, it is not within their power. They can only find them "not guilty."
A verdict of "not guilty" can mean a verdict of "not proven." Even if you are very sure the defendant is guilty, but the state has not proven it "beyond a reasonable doubt," then it is your sworn duty to return a verdict of "not guilty."
Innocent v. Not Guilty Article | Duvall Law Office, P.C. | Eugene Oregon | Criminal Defense
It's pretty obvious this juror as many others of us believe, the Prosecution went in with the wrong charges, but from what I've read Florida's statutes under those laws were the best, worst thing they could maybe get him on. I personally feel at best he should be charge with reckless endangerment of a minor, but I don't think Florida even has a law for that. I do hope this sets a precedent and laws are passed to keep civilians from trying to be law enforcement. Unless a person sees an actual crime, they should only observe and report suspicious activity just like most security guards are told to do. And on the opposite side of this coin, anyone who hears a cry for help or see's someone in trouble and can help should be held accountable for not trying something. I think that maybe the person George claims he saw open their door when he was fighting and then close it probably has more info, but feels guilty for closing the door and minding their own business and not coming forward with any new evidence.
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Serino said that while he found no evidence that Martin was doing anything criminal before the deadly confrontation, the foul language Zimmerman used when he reported Martin to the dispatcher just before the fatal confrontation showed "ill-will and spite."
Serino is the lead investigator who also said he thinks zimmerman exaggerated the severity of the attack...
malice = ill will. look it up.
not real sure about charging anyone for not helping. in a perfect world maybe but things cross your mind like who will raise my kids. the person who opened the door did say he was calling 911 i believe and yelled to them to stop it.
I know I think that came out because I can't understand some of the things I've heard in this case. One witness says she looked out of her window and saw two people flailing arms, instead of seeing what's going on she goes to turn off her stove. Others testify they heard something, but why wouldn't they see what was going on? Not one person was concerned that someone might be in danger, need medical help, were they all going to grab their cell phones so they'd have a video to post up on youtube? How often do we see that, someone standing on the sidelines recording something instead of helping out. "Hey look a guy in a wheelchair with his wheel stuck in the tracks and a train is coming, better get my camera out this will be epic on YT!"
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i'd call 911 but stay clear of the danger unless it was one of my kids screaming. there's only me here for them and that's my number one concern. stuff that happens like the guy getting beheaded on the greyhound in Canada RIGHT before we went to Montreal by bus makes me consider what ifs. I'd shield my kids with my body if something like that were happening and I couldn't get them away from the danger. fucked up times for sure. i think i'd charge someone with a gun if i was close enough because that seems safer than letting them stand there and fire off multiple shots or shoot you in the back as you try to flee.
Oh yeah, Serino definitely wasn't on Zimmerman's side.
IT director who raised questions about Zimmerman case is fired - CNN.com
An employee of the Florida State Attorney's Office who testified that prosecutors withheld evidence from George Zimmerman's defense team has been fired.
