Attention Zonaguy.

[Blooming Lotus]

I don't really do P.M.'s but regarding this one from you

[quote p.m.] 'essential' supplements?

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I've read that taking these following supplements are essential while on this type of diet; 6 to 8 meals a day (trying to loose body fat%).

1. Glutamine (10-15 grams)
2. Multivitamin (1-2 a day)
3. Vitamin C (3 grams a day)
4. chromium
5. Flax seed oil or sufflower oil

Would you agree?
[end ]

I want to say no. I'm not real big on potential mineral toxicity myself and several sources say that chromium is best addressed via intake of meats and cheeses and grains and so on anyway.
For my own carb metabolism I usually just try to make sure if I'm doing one to get a vitamin B hit in sometime soonish or so thereafter...and maybe if I'm in a serious mood about it do a few good shots of lemon juice to clean up the extra radicals it pollutes my system with...co-incidently aiding the lipid metabolism ( re- blood fats) that chromium as a B.B. supplement is supposed to do.

I am a huuge fan of vitamin c and my general rule with thaat is 1 glass with a multi vit on rising pre-coffee ( about tanin and iron absorption inhibition and c for iron uptake = extra oxygen retantion to and through cells through the day) and then extra through day on top of that again if smoking heavily or eating anything with iron...and maybe during a heavy cardio sesh sometimes for the potassium boost or I feel like my spleen needs it or I just want the extra potassium for whatever reason.

Flax seed oil I dO'nt do because good fat or bad, it still makes you're butt jiggle and I look after my skin and bowels with extra fruits most of time and only reeally do a fat occassionally or in a burst to make sure I get a period or to cycle in a cell communication friction change. Change is as good as a holiday apparently. For cell communication without it I do seaweed or kelp products and take care of my natural mineral salt intake .


Glutamine yay for and a multi vitamin I think every adult should have regardless.

i still don't know what you're eating and doing exactly, but I wiill tell you that since high carbs supress your bodies natural L-glutamine and L-argine production for growth repair hormone production for muscle density retention and whatever else it does besides help build you your muscles ( and why they're so popular as steroids) that glutamine as supplement amino nOt yet in it's basic form still leaving room for some protective metabolic processes to go on is not a bad idea.


Does the body naturally produce L-arginine ? - Google Search

glutamine as a steroid - Google Search

Hope that helps.

 

[Witchblade]

I disagree.

1. fish-oil
2. multi-vitamin

That's it. The rest isn't necessary, it's optional (whey, creatine, glutamine).

 

[Gazhole]

Yeah. Creatine is totally optional, and Whey is more of a convieniance than a necessity.

When i didnt take Multi-Vits while training i was getting colds too often, and when i didnt take Fish Oils my joints were absolute agony after a few weeks heavy lifting.

 

[Nigeepoo]

What's sufflower oil? If it's either sunflower or safflower oils, these have about 70 times more omega-6 than omega-3 (very bad) which is the complete opposite of flaxseed oil which has about 4 times more omega-3 than omega-6 (very good).

Fats don't make people fat. Too many calories do! Essential Fatty Acids are called that for a reason, just like Essential Amino Acids. The Western diet contains way too much omega-6 compared to omega-3 which is why flaxseed oil and/or fish oils are so important. A high o-6 to o-3 ratio in the diet is associated with many diseases e.g. Heart disease, stroke, type 2 diabetes, cancer, mental problems and it aggravates inflammatory conditions like psoriasis, lupus, IBS, asthma, eczema, RA.

 

[vortrit]

I disagree.

1. fish-oil
2. multi-vitamin

That's it. The rest isn't necessary, it's optional (whey, creatine, glutamine).

Ditto. Although I would hate to have to go without whey, but I could if I had to.

 

[StanUk]

Yeah. Creatine is totally optional, and Whey is more of a convieniance than a necessity.

When i didnt take Multi-Vits while training i was getting colds too often, and when i didnt take Fish Oils my joints were absolute agony after a few weeks heavy lifting.

I used to think this with the whey, but apparently 'Trouble' proved me wrong here: http://www.ironmagazineforums.com/diet-nutrition/72895-help-me-help-my-son.html

Good answer from Stan, but I want to correct a misconception.

Whey (complete, a blend of concentrate and isolate) is an ideal protein source that is highly enriched in the precursors that function as critical free radical scavengers that form form normal energy burning processes (called respiration).

These precursors present in milk and eggs, but at much lower concentrations. Whey is also enriched in important growth and immune regulating factors.

To that whey shake, add a little EVO (olive oil) and also either rice or oat bran, not wheat bran. This bran is also a source of important fiber, and its components will help in the longer-term healing of your sons injury and strengthen connective tissue and maintain joint health - all vital for athletic performance.

 

[Blooming Lotus]

Of course we could all go without it if we had to, but there is no way in hell I personally could get enough sulfur or eat enough protein without it!....and since I have this liver thing going on and meant to stay away from high carb intake.. if I don't do it I die!.. sooner and later.. if that's possible .
.. nor for that matter to be honest and more relevant to everyone else could I fit in enough training hrs having to take extra time or comprimise workouts if I had to digest a whole lot of other stuff from more whole and or less efficient sources.
The extra potassium in the protein powder ( Aussie Bodies 130 mgs / serve) that Ii use doesn't hurt to max out intensity with and help regulate my fluids and heart rate neither. .. which with low blood pressure is quite handy.

In fact I will go as far as to say that I am screwed without my wheyprotein!.. :/.... so much so that there are countries I wont live in too long or concede to take an elite condition 'by' in if they don't sell it or I can readily find it!!..like China or India for example . God bless whey protein powder!..and even America for it if you like.
I probably wouldn't eat at all if I didn't have to but imo overtraining alll and entirely comes down to a combination of adequate rest and adequate nutrition and fluids. .. hence why some ppl can "die" after an hr or 2 a day and others can go fulltime all day every day and live really long healthy lives ...and why I believe I've myself trained so intensely and easily with more to burn ( )for so many hrs a day and seen and trained with others at world class do likewise ( and have done for years with no signs of letting up so much picking up) and also witnessed the other side of the coin of ppl who regularly struggle to do so little.

I don't believe most ppl eat ideally at all. .train or not..and I personally don't waant to not train most of my days for most of the rest of my life at this stage ( and with intensity like I enjoy doing that) If I can possibley put together a good long term plan to cater for it. Screw whole sources alone!. to be blunt.

I also agree that a Branch Chain Amino Acid Profile can be satisified through milk and egg ( white) combos. ..as occassionally as you might want to consider other means,..It makes up the bulk of my diet otherwise.. ( give or take produce and co) but it's not enough for some of us.. and on viscous resoration( the lining of organs that protects them and helps them function ) when the milk is nO fat that's being drank and everything else is no and low fat.. the whey certainly goes a long way for myy overall health and performance aand ability to maintain a low bf and so on anyway.

As for oil, I stand by my statement. There's plenty of good and alternative advice here for you though so I'm sure you'll do what you like.

Clearly this post isnt going to make me exactly popular around here, as likely is the trend of my cpl of posts tonight, but they're entirely honest and what the heck, there you go anyway.

Blooming tianshi Lotus.

 

[Blooming Lotus]

What's sufflower oil? If it's either sunflower or safflower oils, these have about 70 times more omega-6 than omega-3 (very bad) which is the complete opposite of flaxseed oil which has about 4 times more omega-3 than omega-6 (very good).

Fats don't make people fat. Too many calories do! Essential Fatty Acids are called that for a reason, just like Essential Amino Acids. The Western diet contains way too much omega-6 compared to omega-3 which is why flaxseed oil and/or fish oils are so important. A high o-6 to o-3 ratio in the diet is associated with many diseases e.g. Heart disease, stroke, type 2 diabetes, cancer, mental problems and it aggravates inflammatory conditions like psoriasis, lupus, IBS, asthma, eczema, RA.

Just quickly while we're here I want to address this. Firstly though I want to say that the 'ner' comment was immature and I didn't reeally appreciate that nor think your information was overly accurate . We don't have to agree and you're perfectly entitled be as immature as you wish.
Moving on.
Regarding the comment above and the issue of joints firstly, .. If you 've been reading and understanding what I've been saying I have information to suggest is an ideal way to eat, through catabolising proteins in a certain and particular fashion, a person will as a result have their bodies produce a chemistry identical to msm. If I have time and opportuinty I will try to find you some links regarding it.
With regard to fat inbalance being causal to alot of those you mentioned, I believe that if you looked more closelly you might find that they are caused or initiated by hyperglycodemia and or cell communication issues.. off which can come from an unbalance of protein fat orr carbohydrate intake comparitive to elimination and use and so forth.

As far as mental illness goes, I have already explained that kelp has been clinically proven to be a natural remedy to nuero -communication breakdownsand several other thinhgs that I feel really pertinent to this type of crowd. I really would liketo come back and talk to you more abouut this and I will attempt to do that.

Blooming tianshi Lotus.

 

[zonaguy03]

Thanks everyone for the responses (started with Blooming). I am sticking with whey morning and after workout, a multivitamin after an afternoon meal, and 1 fish oil capsule each of my 3 meals in the day. Appreciate all your guyz help. Good looking out.

 

[Nigeepoo]

Just quickly while we're here I want to address this. Firstly though I want to say that the 'ner' comment was immature and I didn't reeally appreciate that nor think your information was overly accurate . We don't have to agree and you're perfectly entitled be as immature as you wish.

The "ner" comment was in another thread. I thought that you were having a laugh with your post so I pulled your leg a bit in return. Thank you, I shall continue to be playful with some of my replies.

Moving on.
With regard to fat inbalance being causal to alot of those you mentioned, I believe that if you looked more closelly you might find that they are caused or initiated by hyperglycodemia and or cell communication issues.. off which can come from an unbalance of protein fat orr carbohydrate intake comparitive to elimination and use and so forth.

Omega-6 to omega-3 ratio being too high and hypoglycaemia are two completely different things. Some medical problems are caused by rebound hypoglycaemia. These can be addressed by avoiding getting rebound hypoglycaemia. I was talking about omega-6 to omega-3 ratio, an imbalance of which causes long-term health problems. Supplementing with either sunflower or safflower oil worsens an already high omega-6 to omega-3 ratio. This is not good.

As far as mental illness goes, I have already explained that kelp has been clinically proven to be a natural remedy to nuero -communication breakdownsand several other thinhgs that I feel really pertinent to this type of crowd. I really would liketo come back and talk to you more abouut this and I will attempt to do that.

Blooming tianshi Lotus.

If a mental problem is caused by a lack of omega-3 in the diet, how is kelp going to help? See http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/picrender.fcgi?artid=533861&blobtype=pdf and Fish Oils

 

[Blooming Lotus]

I didn't saay hyperglycemia, I said hypergylcodemia... it refers to a bubbling of staganating unused dietary sugar which precipitates a whole host of really nasty reactions in our bodies.... and over existing conditions serves to exaccabate and intitate whole other systemary breakdowns.
Because everything we eat breaks down into one form or other of syrup as it metabolises and catabolises,.. a constant stimuli like that does things to activate certain dna and receptors to promote a cancer spreading environment... bearing in mind those genes are already there and waiting for an environment to thrive in...of which toxicity provides it and of which a staganating culmulation of constant non-elimination of any of fat / protein or carb or semi - metabolised derivitives of those can do for us... why some ppl get cancer from smoking and others don't. way to suffocate one's way to breed some nastys.

I waas being playful in that post from the other thread you responded to but to personalise an attack with a condescending snipe, I feel to be immature and generally uncalled for. If that's how you play then that's how you play, no harm done.

I'm fairly sure that I've already explained this on another thread somewhere and to be honest, I don't think I'm overly prepared to go into deep lecture mode here about it, however,.. ..
The reeason for fats in our diet, and essential fats at that, is for cell communication / to cool our cells down ad to act as lubricant. I don't really want to get into long winded complicated nuero -science with you, but it's the oils in the cells and between or around them that provide something for the nuero-signals to pass through and be assimilated by. When there are really low fats in a person's diet, that person becomes at risk of comprimising not only that process in their brains but also throughout their entire bodies.
To cater for the lack of fat to utilise to pass that message throughout the bodies fluids and from cell to cell and nerve cells and through nerve systems, a more abrasive cell friction or neurotransmitter can be employed through use of mineral salts and kelp as , to the best of my knowledge atm, the best source of that. .. which is likely because of the other goodies contained therein .. like melatonin and potassium for example.,,also reeally a wonder substance in terms of hyperthyroidism and most particularly Imo relevant for B.B.'s and elite athletes lacking in fats for extended periods running risks of all sorts of health comprimises for it's coolant and lubricant value and putting themselves at risk of stagnation of really vital processes that kelp also caters to.

I think there are lots of factors to mental illness, but one thing they all seem to have in common is that neccessary for healthful function is a. good stable consistent condutor fluids B. good stable cells and consistent cell integrity to pass and receive signals and c. a good constant inter-conductor fluid nuerotransmitter ph ( ?)for the neurosignal to pass from the fluid into and out of the cell through. There are loads of ways to mess up that process or have your body not have that present. .. and hence why 1 in every 100 Amercians are supposedly schitzophrenic and why 1 in every 3 people are supposedly meantally ill in one shape or other. just not eating enough carbs and running into glycogen deficit can cause flatness and chronic depression.. as can not being able to go to the toilet or irritable bowels or untened niggley pains endured over extended periods, various nutritional decifts or toxicities and so on and so forth.
I think it somewhat also comes down to creating an alkaline enviroment ..
It also seems to have something to do with heavy metal pollution , higholy responsible for mental illness and kelp's benift as a heavy metal detox agent. Sulfur also has a role in lifting some of these nasty chemical poisons that interfere with nuerotransmitters and cause mental disturbance and imbalances throughout the body and various sympathetic systems.. in the same way using chewing gum might help you to remove chewing gum that's already stuck somewhere.. (if that makes any sense.), leaving then only to flush with water and pee or poop it's elimination.


I'm not sure I neccessarily agree with all of this as an absolute, but it iis a really good place to start understanding the role of nutrition in mental illness.


Alternative Mental Health



Marine Plants To Boost Immunity and Detoxify

Acadian Sea Kelp provides iodine to the body for correct functioning of the thyroid gland, which influences overall health, metabolism, skin and coat. Kelp also contributes to good pigmentation. Kelp contains some protein, is rich in iodine, calcium, sulfur, magnesium, iron, copper, phosphorus, sodium and potassium as well as vitamins A, B, E and D. Kelp also contains something called mannitol, a gentle purgative and bile stimulant, small amounts of lecithin, a phosphorus compound thought to be of great importance in the knitting of broken bones, especially in the older dog, and some carotin, a precursor to vitamin A production.



how does kelp treat schizophrenia? - Google Search


I'm not neccessarily recommend that ppl don't take efa's , particularly occassionally women trying to stay fertile and children
It's quite a shit long complicated thing to get into, so I reeally hope that helps you out. Here's one more :-
iodine deficiency causing mental illness - Google Search


P.s. Zonaguy you are welcome.

 

[zonaguy03]

I didn't saay hyperglycemia, I said hypergylcodemia... it refers to a bubbling of staganating unused dietary sugar which precipitates a whole host of really nasty reactions in our bodies.... and over existing conditions serves to exaccabate and intitate whole other systemary breakdowns.
Because everything we eat breaks down into one form or other of syrup as it metabolises and catabolises,.. a constant stimuli like that does things to activate certain dna and receptors to promote a cancer spreading environment... bearing in mind those genes are already there and waiting for an environment to thrive in...of which toxicity provides it and of which a staganating culmulation of constant non-elimination of any of fat / protein or carb or semi - metabolised derivitives of those can do for us... why some ppl get cancer from smoking and others don't. way to suffocate one's way to breed some nastys.

I waas being playful in that post from the other thread you responded to but to personalise an attack with a condescending snipe, I feel to be immature and generally uncalled for. If that's how you play then that's how you play, no harm done.

I'm fairly sure that I've already explained this on another thread somewhere and to be honest, I don't think I'm overly prepared to go into deep lecture mode here about it, however,.. ..
The reeason for fats in our diet, and essential fats at that, is for cell communication / to cool our cells down ad to act as lubricant. I don't really want to get into long winded complicated nuero -science with you, but it's the oils in the cells and between or around them that provide something for the nuero-signals to pass through and be assimilated by. When there are really low fats in a person's diet, that person becomes at risk of comprimising not only that process in their brains but also throughout their entire bodies.
To cater for the lack of fat to utilise to pass that message throughout the bodies fluids and from cell to cell and nerve cells and through nerve systems, a more abrasive cell friction or neurotransmitter can be employed through use of mineral salts and kelp as , to the best of my knowledge atm, the best source of that. .. which is likely because of the other goodies contained therein .. like melatonin and potassium for example.,,also reeally a wonder substance in terms of hyperthyroidism and most particularly Imo relevant for B.B.'s and elite athletes lacking in fats for extended periods running risks of all sorts of health comprimises for it's coolant and lubricant value and putting themselves at risk of stagnation of really vital processes that kelp also caters to.

I think there are lots of factors to mental illness, but one thing they all seem to have in common is that neccessary for healthful function is a. good stable consistent condutor fluids B. good stable cells and consistent cell integrity to pass and receive signals and c. a good constant inter-conductor fluid nuerotransmitter ph ( ?)for the neurosignal to pass from the fluid into and out of the cell through. There are loads of ways to mess up that process or have your body not have that present. .. and hence why 1 in every 100 Amercians are supposedly schitzophrenic and why 1 in every 3 people are supposedly meantally ill in one shape or other. just not eating enough carbs and running into glycogen deficit can cause flatness and chronic depression.. as can not being able to go to the toilet or irritable bowels or untened niggley pains endured over extended periods, various nutritional decifts or toxicities and so on and so forth.
I think it somewhat also comes down to creating an alkaline enviroment ..
It also seems to have something to do with heavy metal pollution , higholy responsible for mental illness and kelp's benift as a heavy metal detox agent. Sulfur also has a role in lifting some of these nasty chemical poisons that interfere with nuerotransmitters and cause mental disturbance and imbalances throughout the body and various sympathetic systems.. in the same way using chewing gum might help you to remove chewing gum that's already stuck somewhere.. (if that makes any sense.), leaving then only to flush with water and pee or poop it's elimination.


I'm not sure I neccessarily agree with all of this as an absolute, but it iis a really good place to start understanding the role of nutrition in mental illness.


Alternative Mental Health



Marine Plants To Boost Immunity and Detoxify

Acadian Sea Kelp provides iodine to the body for correct functioning of the thyroid gland, which influences overall health, metabolism, skin and coat. Kelp also contributes to good pigmentation. Kelp contains some protein, is rich in iodine, calcium, sulfur, magnesium, iron, copper, phosphorus, sodium and potassium as well as vitamins A, B, E and D. Kelp also contains something called mannitol, a gentle purgative and bile stimulant, small amounts of lecithin, a phosphorus compound thought to be of great importance in the knitting of broken bones, especially in the older dog, and some carotin, a precursor to vitamin A production.



how does kelp treat schizophrenia? - Google Search


I'm not neccessarily recommend that ppl don't take efa's , particularly occassionally women trying to stay fertile and children
It's quite a shit long complicated thing to get into, so I reeally hope that helps you out. Here's one more :-
iodine deficiency causing mental illness - Google Search


P.s. Zonaguy you are welcome.

HaHa, you should have warned me before you wrote all this! Now i'm more confused than I was when I first entered this forum 2 weeks ago! Can I ask you of one huge favor. Please, just come down to my level for just a second. These are the basic principles I use with my diet. Please do not go into great detail on each, just say good or bad and if bad specify why, and what you would change it with.

1. Wake up in the morning- 2nd most sugar intake of the day (which isnt too much). I have a banana, no fat/low sugar yogurt with dried oats, and a piece of dark 12 grain bread, and a whey protein shake with milk

2. When the work out up comes up (i make sure I eat at least 2 hours before because in insulin?), for my post-work out meal I consume the most fats (mostly coming from peanut butter), proteins, and carbs

3. After that meal, throughout the day I eat mainly vegetables with a source or two of protein with each meal.

4. I eat 6 meals a day.

 

[Blooming Lotus]

lordy. and I thought I was already due to stop posting here as it was!.. not that anyone 'd ask too much or I'd get sucked into the forum request trap, but here .

1. I don't know what your training schedule is.

2. I don't know what your training schedule is + imho peanut bad. everything you can from iit you can get from much more efficient sources..without the other rubbish in it.

3. no opinion without knowing what vetgetables what proteins or what you did or are about to do that needs to be fueled by it. I am nOt a mind reader!.

4. good. do 8.
Ideally take nourishment each 2 waking hrs.

the end.

 

[zonaguy03]

lordy. and I thought I was already due to stop posting here as it was!.. not that anyone 'd ask too much or I'd get sucked into the forum request trap, but here .

1. I don't know what your training schedule is.

2. I don't know what your training schedule is + imho peanut bad. everything you can from iit you can get from much more efficient sources..without the other rubbish in it.

3. no opinion without knowing what vetgetables what proteins or what you did or about to do that needs to be fueled by it. I am nOt a mind reader!.

4. good. do 8.
Ideally take nourishment each 2 waking hrs.

the end.

Schedule:

1. Eat a breakfast meal
2. Two hours later or so, weight training for 45 minutes- intense no rests beween reps

3. Post workout: have whey protein shake and other sugar/carbs= i need i deas on better things to consume.

4. Rest of the day, have salads with: spinach leaves, carrots, cucumbers, tomatoes, no dressing.

My protein sources with these meals: boneless/skinless chicken breast, milk, or whey protein shake (skim milk).

 

[Blooming Lotus]

Sorry Zonaguy but I'm just coming out of a bad long and painful experience and head fuck of a time consuming b.s. experience of being reeally badly harrassed on another board for 4 yrs. I think you'll have to ask someone else.

Blooming tianshi Lotus.

p.s. you might want to add what your lifting x how many and considering you 've been going on about all this other stuff you were doing or wanting to do, anything else you might be doing aswell so ppl can advise you properly and without beating around the bush for weeks to be able to do that. Ppl get paaid to do this for ppl. If you get an answer, consider yourself lucky. A client is big commitment. Next you'll be asking me to do the workout for you. I wont do that with you.
Amen.

Post me a weeks food and training blog and onn this thread and I'll think about it.

 

[zonaguy03]

Sorry Zonaguy but I'm just coming out of a bad long and painful experience and head fuck of a time consuming b.s. experience of being reeally badly harrassed on another board for 4 yrs. I think you'll have to ask someone else.

Blooming tianshi Lotus.

p.s. you might want to add what your lifting x how many and considering you 've been going on about all this other stuff you were doing or wanting to do, anything else you might be doing aswell so ppl can advise you properly and without beating around the bush for weeks to be able to do that. Ppl get paaid to do this for ppl. If you get an answer, consider yourself lucky. A client is big commitment. Next you'll be asking me to do the workout for you. I wont do that with you.
Amen.

Post me a weeks food and training blog and onn this thread and I'll think about it.

dang, you seem like you're a pretty important person. no private messages, have pay you like a boss for an answer, I mean where would i be without people like you? I'll tell ya, id be 500 lbs heavier, eating italian beefs and in and out burgers all my life. nah im just playin. all fun and games. i cheated tonight with that italian beef...must be depressed or something?

 

[Blooming Lotus]

I don't do private messages because it half creeps me out that. It's like.. calling me at hm or something and trying to pal up when i'm reeally wondering whotf you are and why you're bugging me.
If you indulge this p.m. ing fantago certain ppl tend to misconstrue the nature of one's impasse and want to call for real and come visit and hang out and have in depth private conversations about shit in your life and your head and Idn want to do that. Maybe ever again! lol . but really.
If you want to ask a question and explain what it is you want and do it publicly, it could be entirely likely someone might even answer.
Cant eat creatine because youre on meds but you do beef? @). I think you're full of shit . If I'm wrong I just am and I'll be happy to burn in hell for a while because of it. If you're lonely and depressed and just hard up for company I highly suggest getting yourself a life or getting busy working twds putting one togther.



Blooming Lotus
p.s. if you are dyying because of that beef consumption I apologise...and lol...really quietly.

 

[zonaguy03]

I don't do private messages because it half creeps me out that. It's like.. calling me at hm or something and trying to pal up when i'm reeally wondering whotf you are and why you're bugging me.
If you indulge this p.m. ing fantago certain ppl tend to misconstrue the nature of one's impasse and want to call for real and come visit and hang out and have in depth private conversations about shit in your life and your head and Idn want to do that. Maybe ever again! lol . but really.
If you want to ask a question and explain what it is you want and do it publicly, it could be entirely likely someone might even answer.
Cant eat creatine because youre on meds but you do beef? @). I think you're full of shit . If I'm wrong I just am and I'll be happy to burn in hell for a while because of it. If you're lonely and depressed and just hard up for company I highly suggest getting yourself a life or getting busy working twds putting one togther.



Blooming Lotus
p.s. if you are dyying because of that beef consumption I apologise...and lol...really quietly.

get blasted again by a predator

 

[Nigeepoo]

I didn't saay hyperglycemia, I said hypergylcodemia... it refers to a bubbling of staganating unused dietary sugar which precipitates a whole host of really nasty reactions in our bodies.... and over existing conditions serves to exaccabate and intitate whole other systemary breakdowns.

Sorry, but hypoglycodemia sounds like a made-up pseudo-science word to me. It's not on Wikipedia in either US or UK spelling.

Because everything we eat breaks down into one form or other of syrup as it metabolises and catabolises,.. a constant stimuli like that does things to activate certain dna and receptors to promote a cancer spreading environment... bearing in mind those genes are already there and waiting for an environment to thrive in...of which toxicity provides it and of which a staganating culmulation of constant non-elimination of any of fat / protein or carb or semi - metabolised derivitives of those can do for us... why some ppl get cancer from smoking and others don't. way to suffocate one's way to breed some nastys.

I agree that all dietary carbs (apart from fibre) end up as blood glucose. What point are you trying to make? I was talking about omega-3 & omega-6 EFAs, not blood glucose.

I waas being playful in that post from the other thread you responded to but to personalise an attack with a condescending snipe, I feel to be immature and generally uncalled for. If that's how you play then that's how you play, no harm done.

Attack? WTF are you talking about? I've already explained that I thought that your cut & paste from equal.com was a joke so I paraphrased you in a leg-pulling manner. Have you had a sense of humour bypass? Can we drop this already and move on? It's getting tiresome.

I'm fairly sure that I've already explained this on another thread somewhere and to be honest, I don't think I'm overly prepared to go into deep lecture mode here about it, however,.. ..
The reeason for fats in our diet, and essential fats at that, is for cell communication / to cool our cells down ad to act as lubricant. I don't really want to get into long winded complicated nuero -science with you, but it's the oils in the cells and between or around them that provide something for the nuero-signals to pass through and be assimilated by. When there are really low fats in a person's diet, that person becomes at risk of comprimising not only that process in their brains but also throughout their entire bodies.
To cater for the lack of fat to utilise to pass that message throughout the bodies fluids and from cell to cell and nerve cells and through nerve systems, a more abrasive cell friction or neurotransmitter can be employed through use of mineral salts and kelp as , to the best of my knowledge atm, the best source of that. .. which is likely because of the other goodies contained therein .. like melatonin and potassium for example.,,also reeally a wonder substance in terms of hyperthyroidism and most particularly Imo relevant for B.B.'s and elite athletes lacking in fats for extended periods running risks of all sorts of health comprimises for it's coolant and lubricant value and putting themselves at risk of stagnation of really vital processes that kelp also caters to.

Sorry, but that sounds like pseudo-scientific clap-trap. Cooling cells down? Lubricating cells? Are you familiar with the omega-6 & omega-3 metabolic pathways? Are you aware that both pathways use the same enzymes, therefore an excess of omega-6 inhibits the omega-3 pathway? Are you familiar with the series one, two and three prostaglandins produced by these two pathways and the health problems resulting from an imbalance in the production of these prostaglandins?

I think there are lots of factors to mental illness, but one thing they all seem to have in common is that neccessary for healthful function is a. good stable consistent condutor fluids B. good stable cells and consistent cell integrity to pass and receive signals and c. a good constant inter-conductor fluid nuerotransmitter ph ( ?)for the neurosignal to pass from the fluid into and out of the cell through. There are loads of ways to mess up that process or have your body not have that present. .. and hence why 1 in every 100 Amercians are supposedly schitzophrenic and why 1 in every 3 people are supposedly meantally ill in one shape or other. just not eating enough carbs and running into glycogen deficit can cause flatness and chronic depression.. as can not being able to go to the toilet or irritable bowels or untened niggley pains endured over extended periods, various nutritional decifts or toxicities and so on and so forth.
I think it somewhat also comes down to creating an alkaline enviroment ..
It also seems to have something to do with heavy metal pollution , higholy responsible for mental illness and kelp's benift as a heavy metal detox agent. Sulfur also has a role in lifting some of these nasty chemical poisons that interfere with nuerotransmitters and cause mental disturbance and imbalances throughout the body and various sympathetic systems.. in the same way using chewing gum might help you to remove chewing gum that's already stuck somewhere.. (if that makes any sense.), leaving then only to flush with water and pee or poop it's elimination.

That may well be, but it's irrelevant to the subject of omega-6 to omega-3 balance. You have gone well off-topic.

I'm not sure I neccessarily agree with all of this as an absolute, but it iis a really good place to start understanding the role of nutrition in mental illness.
Alternative Mental Health
Marine Plants To Boost Immunity and Detoxify
Acadian Sea Kelp provides iodine to the body for correct functioning of the thyroid gland, which influences overall health, metabolism, skin and coat. Kelp also contributes to good pigmentation. Kelp contains some protein, is rich in iodine, calcium, sulfur, magnesium, iron, copper, phosphorus, sodium and potassium as well as vitamins A, B, E and D. Kelp also contains something called mannitol, a gentle purgative and bile stimulant, small amounts of lecithin, a phosphorus compound thought to be of great importance in the knitting of broken bones, especially in the older dog, and some carotin, a precursor to vitamin A production.
how does kelp treat schizophrenia? - Google Search
I'm not neccessarily recommend that ppl don't take efa's , particularly occassionally women trying to stay fertile and children. It's quite a shit long complicated thing to get into, so I reeally hope that helps you out. Here's one more :-
iodine deficiency causing mental illness - Google Search
P.s. Zonaguy you are welcome.

Sure, iodine deficiency can cause mental problems. But what's that got to do with correcting a high omega-6 to omega-3 ratio by taking flaxseed or fish oils?

 

[zonaguy03]

so omega 3= fish oil= the goods?

 

[Nigeepoo]

so omega 3= fish oil= the goods?

If you eat meats, eggs, milk & cheese from grain-fed animals (virtually all supermarket produce) and/or eat a lot of nuts & seeds (except flaxseeds) and/or the oils from those nuts & seeds, then omega-3 = the goods. That's flaxseed oil (about 20g/day) or fish oils (about 2g of EPA+DHA/day). Divide 2,000mg by the EPA+DHA content/capsule to get the number of fish oil capsules/day.

 

[Blooming Lotus]

Hypergylcodemia is not a psuedo anything. I discovered the term in the last few weeks while I was trying to find why in my hepatic fulminance i keep nearly ( literally and every few days or so)dyying from metabolic intolerance , fats and most complex carbs kept registering in my body as a nuecrosis. .. or dangerous pathonogen sending me into painful death fits.

I guess i must have the spelling wrong ... despite would you believe even sifting through my recent paper work over it.( shrug.)

If you have to do oils and fats, omega 3's and maybe even flaxeed are the goods. I personally plan to get mine from moshed yams in sushi seaweed sheets because I think it's a better source. Butt .. the reality is that alot of extremists just dont dooo fats for really extended periods... hence certain ppl running into things like hyperadrenalism and hyperthyriodism and overtraining and infertility and so on and worse forth. ..but if you don't get it and us then you don't. If you have nothing to say that 'll help us , then it makes nooo difference to us whaat you say.

i don't do clap trap and I don't extrapolate. I read and study alot though so sometimes I loose track of terms for overload and giving a feeling like I 'd have to give long snot about it... as prima donna as that might be.
i don't want or need to tread on toes of ppl here with 'cred' anyway because I see where they are or have messed themselves up health or math wise or whatever so I guess I'll just keep it to myself and on professional circuits. God. If that's your picture in the avi shot, then it would likely insult my intelligence to even take you seriously about very much.
sorry .

And I didn't say dietary carbs produce glucose, I said everything we eat does.
What is a calory and how do we milk energy from it?? What is energy from food? ..

Forget it.@)...and yes. when I hear stupid shit i get humor bypassedness . old .tired. better spending my energy on me and preserving my youth and charmingly attractive geneage.. whatever.

Blooming tianshi Lotus.

 

[Nigeepoo]

Hypergylcodemia is not a psuedo anything. I discovered the term in the last few weeks while I was trying to find why in my hepatic fulminance i keep nearly ( literally and every few days or so)dyying from metabolic intolerance, fats and most complex carbs kept registering in my body as a nuecrosis. .. or dangerous pathonogen sending me into painful death fits.

You don't sound too well. Are you sure that you have correctly diagnosed your problem?

God. If that's your picture in the avi shot, then it would likely insult my intelligence to even take you seriously about very much. sorry.

Ooh, an insult! I love a bit of banter. Do you have the courage of your convictions to put up a recent picture of you in your avi? Mine was taken on 3rd March 2007. I'm 52 years old, so I'm not doing too bad for an old-un am I? I'm in much better health than you are, so who should be taking whom seriously? EDIT: Oh, and by the way, did you know that the "ad-hominem" attack (personal insult) is an extremely poor debating tactic and is usually used by the person losing the debate as a last resort. Just so's you know.

And I didn't say dietary carbs produce glucose, I said everything we eat does.
What is a calory and how do we milk energy from it?? What is energy from food? ..

Let's be a little quantitative about this. 100% of starch ends up as blood glucose. 50% of sucrose ends up as glucose, the other 50% ending up as fructose. About 53% of proteins can end up as glucose (if not used for muscle growth). About 5% of fats ends up as glucose (derived from the glycerol backbone). Are you familiar with fatty acid oxidation?

Forget it.@)...and yes. when I hear stupid shit i get humor bypassedness . old .tired. better spending my energy on me and preserving my youth and charmingly attractive geneage.. whatever.
Blooming tianshi Lotus.

Yeah, whatever! Show us your photo. Self praise is no recommendation!

 

[Witchblade]

Just a note about the 'nigeepoo doesn't look buff so he shouldn't be giving advice' thingy. Nigeepoo clearly knows his shit, so I' for one am taking advice from him.

Just a note. Now please go on fidgeting, this is good learning material tbh.

 

[Blooming Lotus]

You don't sound too well. Are you sure that you have correctly diagnosed your problem?
Ooh, an insult! I love a bit of banter. Do you have the courage of your convictions to put up a recent picture of you in your avi? Mine was taken on 3rd March 2007. I'm 52 years old, so I'm not doing too bad for an old-un am I? I'm in much better health than you are, so who should be taking whom seriously? EDIT: Oh, and by the way, did you know that the "ad-hominem" attack (personal insult) is an extremely poor debating tactic and is usually used by the person losing the debate as a last resort. Just so's you know.
Let's be a little quantitative about this. 100% of starch ends up as blood glucose. 50% of sucrose ends up as glucose, the other 50% ending up as fructose. About 53% of proteins can end up as glucose (if not used for muscle growth). About 5% of fats ends up as glucose (derived from the glycerol backbone). Are you familiar with fatty acid oxidation?
Yeah, whatever! Show us your photo. Self praise is no recommendation!

I have no issue with how you look. I am much younger though so I'm hoping to at your age have planned and be living a life where I've done better in terms of health and fitness. Excuse me for being honest... I feel that about the majority of older ppl I encounter on many levels.
AS far as personal attack and poor debating goes, that is exactly what I meant in regard to the "ner' comment... and yes I saw the 'last resort' swipe in it.
The rest I'm not even going to address atm for it's ashatted ignorance considering what myself and my daughter and friends and family have been through and how I've had to change mine and my daughters life about it and what it means to my work options and daily routine structure and so forth and no you can't have a photo.
If I can be bothered and stumble back across my notes about it I'll come back to it.
oh and Self-praise ( or rather acknowledgement) is a neccessary evil... helps me take care of myself...yep.. all in the NLP..

 

[tucker01]

Hmmm looks to me like someone got there ass handed to them, and couldn't back up there statements.

Tuck that tail between your legs and walk away.

 

[Plateau_Max]

Hey look everyone... we built this city on rock and roll. Nigeepoo is just another example of someone who does their research before posting. I wish everyone would follow suit.

 

[Blooming Lotus]

gluconeogenesis formation of sugar from protein or fat when insufficient carbohydrate is available [end quote]

Glossary of Terms and Acronyms - Resources - Hepatitis C: Nutrition Care - Canadian Guidelines for Health Care Workers - Health Canada - Hepatitis C

When you understand low carb and low fat dieats and the idea of refeeding and carb loading or fat loading to replenish glucal stores and how that initiates such things as necrosis ( localised tissue death from pathogenic influence of loading fats and sugars on a system with functional difficulties) and hyperlymphodemia from our bodies not adequately executing certain metabolic processes anymore from one cause or other..liike potentially longterm steroid use or something more congenital, you might get a better understanding of where how and why there would be sought or found an alternative cell communication method that ppl like ourselves could employ in lieu...liike using certain salts ..

dietary carbohydrates and fats as causes of hepatic fulminant - Google Search

dietary salts for use in cell communication - Google Search

Salt Intake is Vital

Interesting Facts About Water and Salt

Salt is a vital substance for the survival of all living creatures, particularly humans. Water and salt regulate the water content of the body. Water itself regulates the water content of the interior of the cell by working its way into all of the cells it reaches. It has to get there to cleanse and extract the toxic wastes of cell metabolisms. Salt forces some water to stay outside the cells. It balances the amount of water that stays outside the cells. There are two oceans of water in the body; one ocean is held inside the cells of the body, and the other ocean is held outside the cells..........


Salt has many other functions than just regulating the water content of the body. Here are some of the more vital functions of salt in the body:

1. Salt is most effective in stabilizing irregular heartbeats and, contrary to the misconception that it causes high blood pressure, it is actually essential for the regulation of blood pressure - in conjunction with water. Naturally the proportions are critical.

2. Salt is vital to the extraction of excess acidity from the cells in the body, particularly the brain cells.

3. Salt is vital for balancing the sugar levels in the blood; a needed element in diabetics.

4. Salt is vital for the generation of hydroelectric energy in cells in the body. It is used for local power generation at the sites of energy need by the cells.

5. Salt is vital to the nerve cells' communication and information processing all the time that the brain cells work, from the moment of conception to death.

6. Salt is vital for absorption of food particles through the intestinal tract.

7. Salt is vital for the clearance of the lungs of mucus plugs and sticky phlegm, particularly in asthma and cystic fibrosis.

8. Salt is vital for clearing up catarrh and congestion of the sinuses.

9. Salt is a strong natural antihistamine.

10. Salt is essential for the prevention of muscle cramps.

11. Salt is vital to prevent excess saliva production to the point that it flows out of the mouth during sleep. Needing to constantly mop up excess saliva indicates salt shortage.

12. Salt is absolutely vital to making the structure of bones firm. Osteoporosis, in a major way, is a result of salt and water shortage in the body.

13. Salt is vital for sleep regulation. It is a natural hypnotic.

14. Salt is a vitally needed element in the treatment of diabetics.

15. Salt on the tongue will stop persistent dry coughs.

16. Salt is vital for the prevention of gout and gouty arthritis.

17. Salt is vital for maintaining sexuality and libido.

18. Salt is vital for preventing varicose veins and spider veins on the legs and thighs.

19. Salt is vital to the communication and information processing nerve cells the entire time that the brain cells work - from the moment of conception to death.

20. Salt is vital for reducing a double chin. When the body is short of salt, it means the body really is short of water. The salivary glands sense the salt shortage and are obliged to produce more saliva to lubricate the act of chewing and swallowing and also to supply the stomach with water that it needs for breaking down foods. Circulation to the salivary glands increases and the blood vessels become "leaky" in order to supply the glands with water to manufacture saliva. The "leakiness" spills beyond the area of the glands themselves, causing increased bulk under the skin of the chin, the cheeks and into the neck.

21. Sea salt contains about 80 mineral elements that the body needs. Some of these elements are needed in trace amounts. Unrefined sea salt is a better choice of salt than other types of salt on the market. Ordinary table salt that is bought in the super markets has been stripped of its companion elements and contains additive elements such as aluminum silicate to keep it powdery and porous. Aluminum is a very toxic element in our nervous system. It is implicated as one of the primary causes of Alzheimer's disease. Back to Salt Intake is Vital or Back to Home

22. Twenty-seven percent of the body's salt is in the bones. Osteoporosis results when the body needs more salt and takes it from the body. Bones are twenty-two percent water. Is it not obvious what happens to the bones when we're deficient in salt or water or both.


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dietary salts for use in cell communication - Google Search

The Liver from the Prescription for Nutritional Healing

Health On the Net (HON): Hepatitis B Virus Overview's Appendixes and Glossary

Weight about four pounds, the liver is the largest gland of the body and the only organ that will regenerate itself when part of it damaged. Up to 25 percent of the liver can be removed, and within a short period of time, it will grow back to its original shape and size.
The liver has many functions, perhaps the most important of which is its secretion of bile. This fluid is stored in the gallbladder for release when needed for digestion. Bile is necessary for the digestion of fats; it breaks fat down into small globules. Bile also assists in the absorption of fat soluble vitamins A, D, F, and K, and helps to assimilate calcium. In addition, bile converts beta-carotene to vitamin A. It promotes intestinal peristalsis as well, which helps prevent constipation.
After food has been absorbed into the bloodstream through the intestinal wall, it is transported by way of the hepatic portal system to the liver. In the liver nutrients such as iron and vitamins A, B12 and D are extracted from the bloodstream and stored for future use. These stored substances are utilised for everyday activities and in times of physical stress. In addition, the liver plays an important role in fat metabolism, in the synthesis of fatty acids from amino acids and sugars, in the production of lipoproteins, cholesterol, and phowpholipids, and in the oxidation of fat to produce energy. Finally, excess food in converted to fat in the liver, which is then transported to the fatty tissues of the body for storage.
The liver also acts as a detoxifier. Protein metabolism and bacterial fermentation of food in the intestines produces the by-product ammonia, which is detoxified by the liver. The liver regulates protein metabolism. In addition to detoxifying ammonia, the liver also combines toxic substances including metabolic waste, insecticide residues, drugs, alcohol, and chemicals with other substances the are less toxic. These substances are then excreted from the kidneys. Thus in order to have proper liver function, you must also have proper kidney function. Physicians have found that when either the liver of kidney appears to be malfunctioning, treating both organs produces the best health results.
In addition to its many other functions, the liver is responsible for regulating blood sugar levels by converting thyroxine, a thyroid hormone, into its more active form. Inadequate conversion by the liver may lead to hypothyroidism. The liver creates GTF(Glucose tolerance Factor) from chromium and glutathione. GTF is required for insulin to regulate blood sugar levels properly.
Excess sugar will be stored in the body as glycogen, and then converted back to sugars when needed for energy. The liver also breaks down hormones like adrenaline, aldosterone, and estrogen, and insulin after they have performed their needed functions.
Glossary

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and one more

CELL SALTS - [Alternative Medicine]

CELL SALTS
What is it?
The cells of our body are mostly made up of water. They also contain small amounts of organic and inorganic material. Properly nourished cells provide us with the building blocks of health. Cell salt therapy attempts to restore the proper balance of the inorganic salts in the cells by providing 12 essential salts that occur in human cells. Cell salts are also known as Schuessler cell salts, for the name of the doctor who first used them.

In 1872, Dr. Wilhelm Schuessler, a homeopathic physician, started prescribing these 12 essential salts to his patients. He believed illness was often related to a lack of one or more of these salts and supplementing the salts to the patient would lead to healing.

Dr. Schuessler thought that giving the mineral salts in large amounts could destroy the function of healthy cells; therefore, he chose to dilute the salts to a (diluted) homeopathic potency. The cell salt powder or pellets would be taken under the tongue and enter the blood stream through the small capillaries in the mouth.

Each of the twelve cell salts are thought to be helpful for many conditions, but the following information covers the main uses of these remedies.

Calc Fluor is used for bones, teeth, blood vessels, and connective tissue. It can be used in treating hemorrhoids, fibroids, varicose veins, swollen glands, and weak ligaments and tendons.
Calc Phos is also used for bone tissues, restoring strength after illness, and for muscle cramps and spasms. It can also be used in osteoporosis, broken bones, poor development of bones or teeth, hiatal hernias, uterine prolapse, and chronic infections.
Calc Sulph is used for wound healing, building new tissues, and to help the liver detoxify the blood. It is also used in superficial burns, acne, ulcers, boils, abscesses, mucus membrane inflammation, bronchitis, sinusitis, and pinkeye.
Ferr Phos helps the blood carry oxygen, strengthen the blood vessels, and fight infections. It is used in low-grade fevers, bruises, trauma, excessive nosebleeds, and anemia (especially during pregnancy), bleeding ulcers, irregular menses, toothaches, and inflamed gums.
Kali Mur is contained in muscles, nerve, brain, and blood cells. It is used with to treat closed eustachian tubes, laryngitis, pleurisy, dry eczema, diarrhea, vaginal discharge, dry coughs, and can help thin mucus.
Kali Phos regulates and regenerates the nervous system. It is used in fatigue, stress, exhaustion, vertigo, spasms, numbness, depression, nervous headaches, skin eruptions, stress-induced high blood pressure, numbness, and anxiety.
Kali Sulph carries oxygen to the cells. It is also used with chronic ear infections, skin problems, joint or nerve pain, and chronic thick mucus.
Mag Phos is found in the blood, bones, teeth, spine, nerves, and brain. It is used with muscle spasms and cramps, sudden loss of energy, back pain, pre-menstrual cramps, irritability, teething pain, and heart arrythmias.
Nat Mur helps with the proper distribution of water in the body and corrects excessive dryness or moisture anywhere in the body. It is used with wet eczema, dry mouth, tinnitus, cataracts, diarrhea, blisters, fever, hayfever, and swelling.
Nat Phos regulates the acid-base balance and the assimilation of fats. It can help with heartburn, arthritis, poor digestion, acid stomachaches, gall and kidney stones, excess perspiration, morning sickness, and fibromyalgia.
Nat Sulph removes excess water from the cells and the connective tissue and improves liver function. It is used in diabetes, enuresis, poor appetite, jaundice, swelling, influenza, and poor digestion.
Silica is found in connective tissues, bones, hair, teeth, nails, and nerve cells. It is used to improve kidney function, exhaustion, adrenal weakness, poor absorption of nutrients, and patients who are easily chilled.
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and one more just because we're having so much fun and you asked.

Research Autism Glossary

All I'm reeally saying is that for many many reasons, lifters and athletes running on extremely low fat intake for extended periods , eating kelp and some thing like yam is a reeally good idea and would likely see ppl eek out both their health aand their abilty to maintain low bf and good cell communication without suffering detriment of other wise not doing it,.. in my very humble but not concerned opinion. That is all.
Apology for all the links.

Blooming Lotus.

 

[zonaguy03]

 

[tucker01]

Whatchou talk'n bout willis?