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Al Gore Wins the Nobel Peace Prize!
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how did you in any way address my post? i think the legitimacy of going into iraq is a gray area that doesnt do much good now, because we are already there and we need to discuss and find an answer about what to do about it.
who is talking about a pre-emptive nuclear strike against iran? are you kidding me? no one has ever said anything remotely close to that. have any of bushes actions led anyone here to believe he has a pre-emptive nuclear strike against iran on the agenda? how about any of the presidential nominees? have any of them come out in favor of of it?
i have read your posts and some have been mildly intelligent, but this is nowhere close to an aguement that in any way adds to or sheds light on the debate or issues at hand. where is something so asinine as this even coming from. and by the way, i want iran afraid of the US coming in and flattening it. they need to understand that there are repricusions for certain actions and that we are capable and willing to do this if the situation demands it.
now, how about in your next response you post something that relates to the topic of discussion without going arguing against ideas no body is proposing
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We should discuss it in excruciating detail. And we should do it in prose.
Actually, I'm with Iain on this one. We discussed it at length and you never admitted to the truth that you're so anti-Bush, and so pro hippy, that you can't see the reality of it.
But really, I'm not in the mood.
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I always tell my clients that buy PV for their home is like going to Sam's/Costco to buy toilet paper, you may be paying a lot up front but when that day comes when you need it you will have that bulk stash that others may be paying twice the price for now... Solar electric panels will continue working for more than 25 years, all it is is thin sliced layers of rock sandwiched behind tempered glass...It's probably one of the best investments for a homeowner especially in places where the electric rates are .20 cents per kWh or even .35cents like some of the islands here...
A lot of the installers have started leasing programs so that you don't have that huge shock to your wallet, and if you maximize the tax credits by buying the system piece by piece you can get the gov. to pay for nearly half of the whole thing...
Are solar panel efficient enough yet that you could cover your houses' roof with them and supply at least 50% of your power needs?
It's nice see Decker back.
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Me think so too. Me glad Decker here make words. Decker friend.
no. from here on out it will be know throughout IM that on this issue you are wrong. let a proclamation go forth thoughout IM that decker is wrong in that "poor little iraq was doing nothing wrong and everything in their power to comply with weapons inspectors" is completly and utterly false. so let it be written so let it be done. so saith ramses. or maybe just a sticky.
I don???t think the legitimacy is a gray area at all and considering we???ve killed almost 80,000 Iraq citizens, destroyed their county???s infrastructure, installed a puppet government and generally steamrolled the country, I???d say that your assertion that ???bitching about going in there in the first place doesnt seem to help anything.??? On the contrary, that is the true starting point in addressing what to do with Iran.
Bush refuses to rule out nuclear strike on Iran
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2006/04/19/wiran19.xml
Considering that our armed forces are currently at the breaking point, how would you handle attacking Iran for not complying with WMD inspections and support of insurgents in Iraq (both unsupported contentions, but that didn???t stop the US from attacking Iraq, why should it matter with Iran)?
But we can play your game. Nukes are off the table. The US forces are already at the breaking point serving on two separate fronts. Iran has over 70 million people and is nowhere near the pushover Iraq was. What do we do?
You claimed that to my knowlege none of the canditates on either side wants a war with iran. i just find it unhealthy to publicly say war with iran is not an option. That???s the same BS spoken before the Iraq fiasco. History is repeating itself and your buying the same nonsense. If the Bush Adm doesn???t want war with Iraq, why is it parking destroyers off the coast of Iran, why is it designating Iran???s military elite as terrorists, and why is it manufacturing evidence that Iran is arming the insurgents in Iraq?
All of the republican candidates, except for Ron Paul, are agreeing with this Bullshit, yet a simple palliative statement of ???no one wants war with Iran??? turns you into a true believer.
Maybe this will help you sort out your own misgivings about the WMD/Aiding Terrorists rationale used in the Iraq war and now being trotted out again for Iran.
Wrongo Mary Lou--Iraq was complying w/ the Team Blix. Especially as inspections wore on.
That is historical fact.
You screwed up. You believed Bush and you let fear get the better of you. Oh Yeah, Iraq was the WMD/Al Qaeda meteor on a collision course with the US.
On its face that is preposterous.
But you wanted to believe.
so do you really believe this stuff you type or do you just get off typeing? bush refuses to rule out nuclear strike with iran. good. doesnt mean its going to happen. we have left that option on the table with every country in the world for 60 years and yet havent used them so i think ill say that im not too worried that bush hasnt taken it off the table. why take your best player off the field? just having him there opens up other possibilities.
so bitching about iraq is a starting point in dealing with iran? no need to go into detail with how wrong that it.
and with iran i believe the answer at the moment is to sit and wait. we have occupying armies on both of irans borders. also europe seems to be ratcheting up the pressure on iran without us doing anything. hell even France is talking about taking care of the problems with iran. iran like you said isnt dumb enough to attack. so we sit on both borders and let them sweat it out. just my opinion from several thousand miles away. ill let policy be handled by the joint chiefs. those guys i feel can handle it.
WMD in iran and supporting terrorism in iraq are unsupported? they admit to uranium enrichment. thats not contested. enriched uranium can be used as fuel for nuclear weapons. not contested. ive spoken to soldiers returned from iraq that say iran is supporting the insurgency over there. i wont contest that. not from several thousand miles away.
your points this day are without merrit. they are horrible in their inaccuracies and obviously coming from someone blinded from their own self image. debating with you this day has been painful in its exercise. remember how this started out as about al gore and the nobel peace prize. does al have any way of bringing peace to the middle east? he might actually deserve a medal for that
Amen.
Al Gore is a tool. Global Warming is Bullshit: biggest moneymaking pile of garbage.
But, by all means: congrats Al! You've convinced the world you still matter.
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I have a nephew that gets stationed in Iraq for 6 months every year and a half. He work in the military intelligence. He said that it's no secret that Iran is supporting the insurgents. As an example, he pointed out the new model IEDs that the insurgents have started using.
Doms just posted proof that weapons inspectors had been kicked out of iraq prior to us invading. or maybe it was you who posted proof and Doms pointed it out. it had nothing to do with fear and a desire to believe for me.
personally i consider sadam an evil individual and a good thing he is out of power regardless of the reasons for going in. hey much of the reasons for going in turned out to be false. everyone saw the same information and everyone agreed it was needed. it turned out to be wrong. we cant change that now. our information gatherers need to do a better job i agree. i dont consider evidence having been manufactured however and the point still stands we are there now and pointing fingers still doesnt solve the problem.
but you keep doing your thing and complaining we shouldnt be there in the first place and the rest of the world will still move on in this convoluted mess looking for an answer while you complain about something you cant change
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I don't think he's a tool. I'd say that he misinformed and a hypocrite.
Hell yes. "Credits" my ass.
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I think you're being too harsh. After all, they'd only been stalled by Iraq for 10 years or so. I'm sure they were about to get to the truth of it.
I think you're being too harsh. After all, they'd only been stalled by Iraq for 10 years or so. I'm sure they were about to get to the truth of it.
im sorry. please dont ban me.
Oh right, so Al Gore can use 20x more power than the average American because he purchases 'green power' and 'offsets' his carbon footprint. So only the wealthy have can have access to electricity? Nice.
Let's hear some more about that Green Power Gore uses, ok, Mr. "Again, you don't know but you sure shoot your mouth off like you do?"
From USA Today:
You're clueless and blinded because you're a lib like Gore. You love to act informed, but you're not, sorry to break it to you. You're being played for a fool by Al Gore. Send him some money to off-set your evil carbon output while you're at it, oh enlightened one.
No I don't know how ex-Vice Presidents usually fly, but I'd expect someone who's warning us we're doomed if we don't do something in 10 years to take drastic steps himself, including the oh-so-degrading switch from private jets to first class commercial. After all, the world is at stake, remember.
Yes, I'm attacking the "messenger" since this thread is about the "messenger" getting an award, not his message, genius.
You can start another thread about that if you so desire.
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Oh right, so Al Gore can use 20x more power than the average American because he purchases 'green power' and 'offsets' his carbon footprint. So only the wealthy have can have access to electricity? Nice.
Let's hear some more about that Green Power Gore uses, ok, Mr. "Again, you don't know but you sure shoot your mouth off like you do?"
From USA Today:
You're clueless and blinded because you're a lib like Gore. You love to act informed, but you're not, sorry to break it to you. You're being played for a fool by Al Gore. Send him some money to off-set your evil carbon output while you're at it, oh enlightened one.
No I don't know how ex-Vice Presidents usually fly, but I'd expect someone who's warning us we're doomed if we don't do something in 10 years to take drastic steps himself, including the oh-so-degrading downgrade from private jets to first class commercial. After all, the world is at stake, remember.
Yes, I'm attacking the "messenger" since this thread is about the "messenger" getting an award, not his message, genius.
You can start another thread about that if you so desire.
i hate it when real facts get in the way of rhetoric. Oh wait no i dont never mind
i promise to play nice from now on
Shazam!
He's no rocket scientist but I think Al Gore is a better person at heart than the vast majority of politicians that we put in office. Too bad being sincere and well intentioned doesn't count for as much as your willingness to be a puppet for Texas oilmen does.
People in the coal, oil, and natural gas business provide us with power for our factories and homes, fuel for cars, trucks, and planes. Our standard of living would PLUMMET without those evil "oilmen." Al Gore made a movie.
Perspective.
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"The road to hell is paved with good intentions."
I'm sure that he's sincere when he says that we should change to stop global warming while he lives in a mansion and flies around in private jets.
I just realized, not surprisingly, Decker has gotten into Iraq War and George Bush. What a case of BDS.
Here's a little tidbit about our friend, Sadaam Hussein, from Bill Clinton:
CNN - Clinton: Iraq has abused its last chance - December 16, 1998
Some nuggets:
Saddam (Hussein) must not be allowed to threaten his neighbors or the world with nuclear arms, poison gas or biological weapons," Clinton said.
Their mission is to attack Iraq's nuclear, chemical and biological weapons programs and its military capacity to threaten its neighbors," said Clinton.
Iraqi officials also destroyed records and moved everything, even the furniture, out of suspected sites before inspectors were allowed in
Instead of inspectors disarming Saddam, Saddam has disarmed the inspectors," Clinton said.
If we turn our backs on his defiance, the credibility of U.S. power as a check against Saddam will be destroyed," the president explained
Here's a little tidbit about our friend, Sadaam Hussein, from Bill Clinton:
CNN - Clinton: Iraq has abused its last chance - December 16, 1998
Some nuggets:
Saddam (Hussein) must not be allowed to threaten his neighbors or the world with nuclear arms, poison gas or biological weapons," Clinton said.
Their mission is to attack Iraq's nuclear, chemical and biological weapons programs and its military capacity to threaten its neighbors," said Clinton.
Iraqi officials also destroyed records and moved everything, even the furniture, out of suspected sites before inspectors were allowed in
Instead of inspectors disarming Saddam, Saddam has disarmed the inspectors," Clinton said.
If we turn our backs on his defiance, the credibility of U.S. power as a check against Saddam will be destroyed," the president explained
stop it with the facts already. do want him to cry? wait....never mind again, go ahead
70 thousand? Is that the number fox news is publishing these days? Wow I thought they called all the deaths insurgent deaths. A more acurate figure is closer to 1 million. Reaganite Greenspan even admitted the war is about oil and that the civilian death toll is around 1.2 million. He's one to argue with though...
So we are fighting the righteous fight... why didn't we bring democracy to sudan or more currently burma? They got oil or a strategic location for military bases? No.
