I would use different language, but the basis of what you are saying I agree with
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I would use different language, but the basis of what you are saying I agree with
^ Thanks for the response, bio.
I am not here to "bash" Mormonism, but ask questions. I know a guy who converted, and he firmly believe Jesus Christ came to present day American tried to convert the Native Americans.
I am not here to "bash" Mormonism, but ask questions. I know a guy who converted, and he firmly believe Jesus Christ came to present day American tried to convert the Native Americans.
and why would it be so difficult to believe that Christ would take the time to visit other people once his mortal mission was complete amongst the Jews? I figure Christians would readily accept this fact
and why would it be so difficult to believe that Christ would take the time to visit other people once his mortal mission was complete amongst the Jews? I figure Christians would readily accept this fact
My question is this....Why would Christ have visited only those who were here (meaning America) ? Are there any other writings or accounts of his doing the same in other parts of the world?
My fathers family is quaker and we would talk about this all the time at our meetings ( they dont have sermons, we all sit around and argue in a friendly manner).
You know many, but not all, Quakers, view the doctrine of Jesus' and the virgin birth as nonessential and not accepted as fact.
They, like the sufi muslims, view all religions and beliefs as correct and sometimes of equal value. They regard Jesus as a "guiding light" in which to conduct yourself, but we can argue that of Buddah, heck Ghandi etc etc. Many of the quakers felt Jesus revieled himself to other cultures under different disguises when he became a "personal" God. This is different from the "distant" gods of past polytheism.
After all, a short, hairy middle eastern Jewish guy just wasn't going to win over the xenophobic Chinese thousands of years ago.....but buddah........
If you like talking about all this stuff, go to a quaker meeting. It's never dull, and there is no preaching, we debate affirmative action, nuclear proliferation, antisemitism,feminists etc. The great thing is , many other religions sit in ( muslims, buddists, hindis) since they are accepted by us. They don't prosthetize, but they can educate you on their religion.
Now you see why these guys were thrown out of europe
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While we don't have those accounts I believe they exist.
While I was in the Philippines they told me of an oral tradition that they have where a man came down out of the sky and taught them. they point to this as where they learned to make the banaue rice terraces. I'm not so presumptive to tell people this was Christ, but many places have such traditions. we've all heard the story of Quetzalcoatl for instance.
John 10:16 says:
And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.
Christ never traveled more than 50 miles from his birth place while in mortality. His ministry traveled to only the Jews. Is it so hard for Christians to believe that Christ needed to teach all people?
Mark 16:16 says:
He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.
Billions of people who have lived have never even heard the name of Christ to believe let alone been baptized. I can't imagine a just God damning these people. Especially at the time of Christ when those who could have heard his name were in such a small geographical location as Judea. It somehow makes sense to me that Christ would want to visit all people so that they may be his children.
and why would it be so difficult to believe that Christ would take the time to visit other people once his mortal mission was complete amongst the Jews? I figure Christians would readily accept this fact
When was this first written about?
When was this first recorded as a historical fact?
How many years, later?
Waiting for your response.
There are stories that Jesus went to India and learned a little about Buddhism, maybe those are the "Indians" he visited....
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and why would it be so difficult to believe that Christ would take the time to visit other people once his mortal mission was complete amongst the Jews? I figure Christians would readily accept this fact
Lol, ask the Native Americans how they feel about that.
my first girlfriend after i got back from the Philippines was Navajo. she didn't seem to mind so much
I have no intention of proving the book of mormon to you. go somewhere else for that. read it and learn for yourself, or don't, I really could care less. there is your response.
Well, i think the question would be..How many Native Americans (or their descendants) are Mormon?
bio-chem,
Thanks for the response. Fair enough.
Without re-hashing too much, my point is:
Joseph Smith was not talking with god, IMO.
The current President of the Mormon church becomes President from the political wrangling among the "Council of Elders."
The Presidents of the Mormon church claim they "talk with god."
I don't believe this.
But time to move onward.
Thanks for the response. Fair enough.
Without re-hashing too much, my point is:
Joseph Smith was not talking with god, IMO.
The current President of the Mormon church becomes President from the political wrangling among the "Council of Elders."
The Presidents of the Mormon church claim they "talk with god."
I don't believe this.
But time to move onward.
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Very few. The Native Americans are human, and they are just as perverted as anybody else.
They were were weak, and they were taken over. So is the nature of of humanity.
considering there are 13 million and change LDS members and 6.8 billion people in the world you are not alone. congratulations you are now one of the sheeple you detest.
listen people don't get your panties in a bunch, i only said it to help prove my point that i could really care less what BS's beliefs are about my religion. to those of you who have respectfully asked questions and shared thoughts pro or con thank you i appreciate it.
This is the fastest growing population with the LDS. The tradition of a Bearded White God visiting and teaching is an common theme within the oral tradition (history) of most of the ancient cultures.
Here is a decent article on the issue: White and Bearded God
As usual DOMS, you don't contribute to a thread because you don't have the knowledge.
You make short statements and generalizations offering little insight.
Carry on.
Yes, I can be a part of the sheeple at times. I try to mentally deconstruct information that I come across. I try to be aware.
I am not trying to be too harsh on this religion or others.
I have asked several Mormons what happened to the Gold Plates that Joseph Smith found.
Where are they?
The Angel Moroni who originally gave them to Joseph Smith collected them from Joseph. But if you've asked several Mormons this question then you already know that. what are you really getting at?
You state that Moroni collected them from Joseph. But where are the plates, now?
Nobody knows, but many witnesses swore until their dying day that they saw or handled them. Some swear that an angel attended their session with Joseph and the plates. Their signed statements are in the intro of the BOM. What is your agenda, Big Smoothy? Nobody expects you to believe what Mormons believe. You ask questions without seeking the truth. You are like the pharrassies asking questions with the sole purpose of trying to trap someone in their words.
Thank you. "Nobody knows."
I AM, seeking the truth.
I am only asking, because I want an answer.
That's like asking where the remains of the stone tablets on which the Ten Commandments were written are.
......Moses and Joseph prolly share a safety deposit box somewhere. Their stuff is packed away with the Holy Grail.
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^ Thank you, Da Mayor.
The answer is "He doesn't know."
Nobody does.
The answer is "He doesn't know."
Nobody does.
Well, just because Bio-chem is well versed in his choice of religion....ya can't expect the man to be the consummate historian on the subject.
Faith=Believing in the unseen.
^ Almost every Mormon I've talked with (except bio-chem) has given the following standard answer.
"We don't know. It's a test of faith."
However, one Mormon told me the plates were in "Heaven."
"We don't know. It's a test of faith."
However, one Mormon told me the plates were in "Heaven."
according to my hindu friends all these folks are just avatars anyway of the supreme being ( jesus, mohamed, buddah, joseph smith, the Bahai twin prophets, the philipino descent that instructed them on how to make their life sustaining bread, the old testament prophets,the twelve headed snake blah blah blah
The Angel Moroni collected them from Joseph. What he did with them doesn't matter. I'm not privy to the comings and goings of Angels. Where their physical presence is currently doesn't matter.
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Well, all religions are based on faith. However, I must say that those who live by the concept of Faith alone, without seeking knowledge or attempting to understand the origin or instruction of one's creator might not be too logical. You have to go beyond, "because the Bible tells me so", and make an attempt to understand "why" and "how" the Bible tells you so. This would apply to other religions as well, of course.
As far as the "the plates are in Heaven" response...that may be what Mormons are taught...I really don't know. Either way, the general and perhaps groundless statements by one member of any particular belief system cannot be held against the whole.
