I think it does matter.
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I think it does matter.
state your case then
^ I already did.
But...to state my case again:
Because you do NOT know where these plates are,
THEY NEVER EXISTED.
But...to state my case again:
Because you do NOT know where these plates are,
THEY NEVER EXISTED.
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That's a Medieval lack of Object Permanence, lol. Imagine where we would be if science applied the same philosophy...would then, electrons,bacteria, and DNA not exist?
so Joseph Smith came up with the Book of Mormon on his own?
I could place the actual gold plates physically in your lap right now and it would change nothing. Having them on display at temple square in Salt Lake City wouldn't prove anything, and it wouldn't convince anyone of Joseph Smith being a prophet or not. You obviously don't understand the nature of man if you are trying to make that claim.
That's a Medieval lack of Object Permanence, lol. Imagine where we would be if science applied the same philosophy...would then, electrons,bacteria, and DNA not exist?
i've been prevented from repping you like 4 times in this thread because i have to spread it around first
i've been prevented from repping you like 4 times in this thread because i have to spread it around first
No, problem....(assuming you mean positive reps, lol) I'm the middle guy in this one. If things get too bad...I do have an ace in the hole that could seriously distract this topic, lol. 
so Joseph Smith came up with the Book of Mormon on his own?
Joseph Smith was a fraud, Mate. He died in a shoot-out.
It would change EVERYTHING.
Then, I, we, and the rest of the world would have evidence, that these gold plates, existed.
In my opinion, it would.
Yes, it would.
Peace, to you.
Dang. That's it? Aw, snap...I didn't even get to play my ace.
Like I said, you don't understand human nature.
If you consider a mob breaking into a jail and murdering Joseph Smith and his brother a shootout then sure.
how exactly does dieing in a "shoot-out" make one a fraud? your reasoning lacks something 
Holding the gold plates doesn't prove Joseph Smith to be a Prophet and it doesn't prove the Book of Mormon to be the word of God. The only thing that can do that is actually reading and praying about the Book of Mormon.
If you want to believe that there were no Gold plates and Joseph came up with the Book of Mormon out of his own head that would be an even more astounding story. (wouldn't make him a prophet, but still an amazing story) I find divine intervention to be a much more probable explanation than an uneducated boy making this stuff up. But then again I've actually read the book. I know what it says.
It's pretty easy to see that human nature would be to call the plates a hoax or a fraud even if they were placed on display out in the open for all to see. All the physical evidence one needs is found in the presence of The Book of Mormon itself.
I'm surprised and even a little disappointed in you. I would expect something a little more than "where are the gold plates now?"
Dang. That's it? Aw, snap...I didn't even get to play my ace.
I'm so sorry to disappoint. you can play it now and we will pretend that it is still good
seriously though, that episode was funny.
If you want to believe that there were no Gold plates and Joseph came up with the Book of Mormon out of his own head that would be an even more astounding story. (wouldn't make him a prophet, but still an amazing story) I find divine intervention to be a much more probable explanation than an uneducated boy making this stuff up. But then again I've actually read the book. I know what it says.
You know they use the same argument for the quaran? It's unbelievable that such a voluminous literary masterpiece came from one man? Having ready the quaran ( much easier read then than the old and new testament ( more poetic in it rythem) I can see why those who believe in a god thought so. I have no doubt the book of mormons is impressive as well. Just as joseph was the son of migrant workers mohammed was supposidly illiterate, during a vicious, warring tribal society ( in the end he united them) and still able to produce such a scholarly work. I'm sure though both got some help, but that is my belief. Unless, both were just genius sauvants........I'm telling you, the mormons and muslims are very similar, the "time of prophets" did not end with Jesus, it persisted long afte for both religions. As an asian, I never saw Mormonism as a form of christianity, a typical person in China would probably not even guess it is considered a christian sect.
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CaptRichArund and bandaidwoman if born 2000 years ago.... well the world would be a better place.
I found the Quaran to be about on par with the old testament for ease of reading personally. Some of it I thought was rather interesting. some not so much. my concern with Islam is the same problem with much of Christianity. different sects without clear leadership allows men to twist the word of God for their own desires.
i've been prevented from repping you like 4 times in this thread because i have to spread it around first
then spread it around...
Like I said, you don't understand human nature.
If you consider a mob breaking into a jail and murdering Joseph Smith and his brother a shootout then sure.
I NEVER said Joseph Smith was a fraud because he died in a shoot-out.
I believe he's a fraud because:
1. He charged people money to find water on people's property using willow sticks that didn't work.
2. He practiced folk magic
3. The Salamander Letter - something Mormons don't talk about.
4. Saying god told him to "spread his seed" after his wife caught him in an affair - hence the polygamy of Mormonism.
5. Being duped by locals in upstate New York that made fake metal plates, buried tham, dug them back up, and called Smith, who "translated and interpreted" those fake plates.
6. Many more.......
^ My statement is correct and what I said about it, is correct.
Now, we're down to semantics. This is what happens what people cannot debate.
Again,
I believe Joseph Smith was a fraud. He died in a shoot-tou.
But he was a fraud, not because of dying in shoot-out.
I have provided a limited and incomplete list in my above post.
Now, we're down to semantics. This is what happens what people cannot debate.
Again,
I believe Joseph Smith was a fraud. He died in a shoot-tou.
But he was a fraud, not because of dying in shoot-out.
I have provided a limited and incomplete list in my above post.
well all of these are pretty asinine accusations, but i'm willing to talk about any of them if you bring up something of note.
#1,#2. really? did you get this from a 3rd grader
#3- I particularly like the Salamander letter reference. Mormons know all about it. We don't talk about it because talking about a forged, worthless document doesn't do anything, but I like how you keep bringing it up like it is some big deal. LOL. even Anti-Mormons don't bring up the Salamander letter anymore. this made note in the 80's. you are 20 years of Mormon bashing behind dude.
#4 at some point you are really going to have to do your own research on all of this if you want to come off as hard hitting. copy and paste shows you are just unprepared.
#5 LOL'd again, anyone who has actually cracked open the Book of Mormon and read half a page knows that this is absurd.
I've got to admit that this is really turning into an exercise of the ridiculous. You know if DOMS, Mino or LW had something against the Mormons this might actually turn into a real discussion. Those 3 actually research what they are attacking. you can throw Kelju in that list as well, maybe a few others. With you it's like explaining something to a small petulant child. I've got to try to remember to use small words and repeat myself often.
Let's move onto another topic, regarding Mormonism.
Race.
What is the Mormon doctrine black people?
bio-chem?
Race.
What is the Mormon doctrine black people?
bio-chem?
Yes, I totally agree with tou on that
^ OT, briefly, bandaid woman.
I'll have to make a visa run from Vietnam in late April and I want to go to Malaysia. Lots of beauty. I'd like to check out KL for a couple of day (I've been there before) and then head for some nice areas.
Any tips on some nice areas in Malaysia. I am told there are many.
I'll have to make a visa run from Vietnam in late April and I want to go to Malaysia. Lots of beauty. I'd like to check out KL for a couple of day (I've been there before) and then head for some nice areas.
Any tips on some nice areas in Malaysia. I am told there are many.
we've already covered that there are temples in Africa and we have black members. Ask a more specific question and you'll get a more specific answer.
ok, im ready.
your're going to have to be a bit more specific. God has said many things. by the way He is the God of everyone. Not just the Mormons. It would be pretty presumptive of us if he was only our God.
Please allow me to introduce myself
I'm a man of wealth and taste
I've been around for a long, long year
Stole many a man's soul and faith
And I was 'round when Jesus Christ
Had his moment of doubt and pain
Made damn sure that Pilate
Washed his hands and sealed his fate
Pleased to meet you
Hope you guess my name
I'm starting to think they were singing "smoo-smooth, smoo-smooth" instead of "woo woo" in the background, lol.
nicely donePlease allow me to introduce myself
I'm a man of wealth and taste
I've been around for a long, long year
Stole many a man's soul and faith
And I was 'round when Jesus Christ
Had his moment of doubt and pain
Made damn sure that Pilate
Washed his hands and sealed his fate
Pleased to meet you
Hope you guess my name
I'm starting to think they were singing "smoo-smooth, smoo-smooth" instead of "woo woo" in the background, lol.
love the lyrical reference
Please allow me to introduce myself
I'm a man of wealth and taste
I've been around for a long, long year
Stole many a man's soul and faith
And I was 'round when Jesus Christ
Had his moment of doubt and pain
Made damn sure that Pilate
Washed his hands and sealed his fate
Pleased to meet you
Hope you guess my name
I'm starting to think they were singing "smoo-smooth, smoo-smooth" instead of "woo woo" in the background, lol.
