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Can somebody help me reach 180lbs!
- Thread starter dsc123
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I know. I'm shocked at how much more comfortable it is for me. Some mornings I wonder how I'm going to make it but then I somehow always do. I didn't eat until 6:20 PM last Saturday.
So odd.
So odd.
It does go against conventional thinking, but to eat because you're hungry, not because you scheduled to changes a lot...better food choices, more enjoyment, and there's research showing it works. Cant beat that.
Yes, it's a very good idea. Stick to compounds and you'll grow. As for putting weight on, Built is spot on with the cheapy olive oil advice. extra calories in this particular form will certainly help as well as help with test production.
Any of you hard-gainers do cardio? If so, how much?
I see this as the ultimate form of dietary control.
BUT...i can only see this working for those with small amounts of LBM. For instance, im 220. How else can one get in 250-350 grams of protein with only 2-3 meals?
Its a perfect design for those looking to maintain a relatively small amount of LBM who have rediculously busy lifestyles.
How would this approach work for someone my size or larger? And then we get into the whole question of how many grams of protein can we properly digest at once.
I see this as the ultimate form of dietary control.
BUT...i can only see this working for those with small amounts of LBM. For instance, im 220. How else can one get in 250-350 grams of protein with only 2-3 meals?
Its a perfect design for those looking to maintain a relatively small amount of LBM who have rediculously busy lifestyles.
How would this approach work for someone my size or larger? And then we get into the whole question of how many grams of protein can we properly digest at once.
Take a moment to read this. It explains it all. The Leangains Guide | Intermittent fasting diet for fat loss, muscle gain and health
why small meals?
I imagine because it makes it easier to get in the extra calories. It's hard to overstuff yourself. Small meals make it a lot easier to overeat. (Which is why I don't do it btw - I have a hard enough time not overeating as it is! I'm ALWAYS hungry LOL!)
- is there any benefit of fasting or is it just saying that if you dont get to eat 6 meals a day you can fast then eat 3-4 larger meals later on and eat the same amount of calories.
But the body can only absorb a certain amount of protein in one sitting
And then we get into the whole question of how many grams of protein can we properly digest at once.
Please stop perpetuating this concept that protein absorption is limited to a few dozen grams per sitting. Even a moment of googling would provide copious amounts of data that conclusively answers this question. Mr. F., there is no debate or uncertainty at all on this topic.
Here's a brief writeup from Martin Berkhan found at Intermittent fasting diet for fat loss, muscle gain and health. It's myth #5.
Myth: Maintain a steady supply of amino acids by eating protein every 2-3 hours. The body can only absorb 30 grams of protein in one sitting.
Truth
Whenever you hear something really crazy you need to ask yourself if it makes sense from an evolutionary perspective. It's a great way to quickly determine if something may be valid or if it's more likely a steaming pile of horseshit. This myth is a great example of the latter. Do you think we would be here today if our bodies could only make use of 30 grams of protein per meal?
The simple truth is that more protein just takes a longer time to digest and be utilized. For some concrete numbers, digestion of a standard meal is still incomplete after five hours. Amino acids are still being released into your bloodstream and absorbed into muscles. You are still "anabolic." This is a fairly standard "Average Joe"-meal: 600 kcal, 75 g carbs, 37 g protein and 17 g fat. Best of all? This was after eating pizza, a refined food that should be quickly absorbed relatively speaking.
Think about this for a second. How long do you think a big steak, with double the protein intake of the above example, and a big pile of veggies would last you? More than 10 hours, that's for sure. Meal composition plays an important role in absorption speed, especially when it comes to amino acids. Type of protein, fiber, carbohydrates and prior meals eaten all affect how long you'll have amino acids released and being taken up by tissues after meals.
Origin
I think this "30 grams of protein"-nonsense started to circulate after a classic study from 1997 by Boirie and colleagues. "Slow and fast dietary proteins differently modulate postprandial protein accretion" was the first study to quantify the absorption rate of whey and casein protein and gave birth to the concept of fast and slow protein. After that, whey protein came to be known for it's ability to rapidly elevate amino acids in the blood stream and casein for it's ability to create a sustained release of amino acids. Whey was anabolic and casein anti-catabolic.
Given that 30 grams of whey protein was absorbed within 3-4 hours, I guess some people believed that meant 30 grams of protein can only be used in one sitting. Or that you had to eat every 3-4 hours to stay "anabolic." Unfortunately, people missed a few facts that made these findings irrelevant to real-world scenarios. First of all, this study looked at the absorption rate of whey protein in the fasted state. On it's own, and with no meals eaten beforehand, 30 grams of whey protein is absorbed within a mere 3-4 hours. With meals eaten earlier in the day, or if you'd consume a whey shake after a meal, absorption would be much slower.
Second of all, whey protein is the fastest protein of all and digests at 10 g/hour. Casein is much slower; in Boirie's study, the casein protein was still being absorbed when they stopped the experiment 7 hours later. Most whole food proteins are absorbed at a rate of 3-6 grams an hour. Add other macronutrients to that and they'll take longer."
I remember Lou Ferrigno stating, "I can ondly dake dirty grams of pwroteeen at a time. Dat's awwll da body can protcess."
Kind of figured it out from there that it was nonsensical.
Kind of figured it out from there that it was nonsensical.
MrRockstar
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mass xxx shakes from gnc 2-3 a day on top of what you already eat, and pasta and hamburgers as snacks. alot of mornings I'd cook a box of pasta, put it in a freezer bag and take it to work, eat it throughout the day. I went from 155-180 in 2 months doin this.
But be careful I'm in the diet and nutriton section looking for clean eating tips because I want to trade the keg I got back in for the 6 pack I had.
But be careful I'm in the diet and nutriton section looking for clean eating tips because I want to trade the keg I got back in for the 6 pack I had.
and how much of this was fat genius?
MrRockstar
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I dont have time for gay arguments with key board clint eastwoods but it is funny that you think I give two shits that you took the time out of your day to neg rep me and write me a nasty little message. lol.
dude said he was stuck and wanted to get to 180. Anytime you wana gain alot of weight in a short amount of time some of it will be fat. To be perfectly honest with you, yea I gained some fat, mostly in my stomach and I mentioned this above ( thats normaly where people store most of their fat). But I also gained a large amount of muscle in my chest shoulders legs and arms and now I'm cutting so with a good cutting diet I'll lose some fat (and yes some of that size and strength) but I'll keep alot of the new muscle. Thats how bulking and cutting cycles work. Especially for hardgainers.
He didnt ask "whats the cleanest way to get to 180 so that I'll look like a fucking ken doll when I reach my goal." he said I'm on a plateau and I want to break it.
Thats Funny shit right there. Not making light of being deaf but you pretty much nailed it.
I negged you because you're incredibly stupid. Who in the fuck just wants to get to a number and be fat? And I find it hard to believe you gain any discernable muscle in a matter of 2 or 3 months with the use of a maltodextrin based weight gainer. Granted if you did gain any weight you put on about 2-3 lbs of muscle if you're lucky and 17 lbs of fat.
That's a great tradeoff dumbass.
Your pal,
Clint
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That's a great tradeoff dumbass.
Your pal,
Clint
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Dsc how do you train? Can you post your routine? Aside from any flaws in your diet it might also be that your training structure needs to be reworked. Not looking for numbers but sets, reps and exercise selection.
MrRockstar
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Thats really funny considering my bench went up from 185 to 235 in those two months, not lying. no bullshit. I can take pics of the scale and pics of me pressing the weight if you want. I just did what this guy is trying to do and I was having the same problems he is having with the plateau. bulking, dirty as mine may be works.
The cutting cycle is for cleaning up your physique. Mine didnt get that much fat anyway.
Lets just entertain your attempts to bash how I gained my weight. (and it does look good, I went home on leave and even my friends mom was on my dick) the more weight you have the more you can push. So either way ya look at it, my way has a pay off. But as I said above bulking is where you eat till you're full and eat some more, get your calories, espeeeeecially if you're stuck at one weight.
So maybe this guy does wana look like ken during his bulking phase, if so then by all meens maybe your way will work. But I know for a fact beyond a doubt my way will have him at 190 before he knows it if he sticks to it. Because My goal was 180 in 3 months from 155 and it only took 2.
The cutting cycle is for cleaning up your physique. Mine didnt get that much fat anyway.
Lets just entertain your attempts to bash how I gained my weight. (and it does look good, I went home on leave and even my friends mom was on my dick) the more weight you have the more you can push. So either way ya look at it, my way has a pay off. But as I said above bulking is where you eat till you're full and eat some more, get your calories, espeeeeecially if you're stuck at one weight.
So maybe this guy does wana look like ken during his bulking phase, if so then by all meens maybe your way will work. But I know for a fact beyond a doubt my way will have him at 190 before he knows it if he sticks to it. Because My goal was 180 in 3 months from 155 and it only took 2.
25 lbs in two months, for a young undeveloped male... sure. Totally possible that a great deal of the gains were muscle. Some was glycogen, some was bloat, some was poo and some was fat, but a good solid 15+ lbs of it could easily have been muscle.
Note that those types of gains will not persist beyond this initial burst, but in the beginning, certainly.
I'll rep you some, rockstar. Evens out the damage. Juggs, you know I love you but go grab your wife or something; settle down.
Note that those types of gains will not persist beyond this initial burst, but in the beginning, certainly.
I'll rep you some, rockstar. Evens out the damage. Juggs, you know I love you but go grab your wife or something; settle down.
I did...and it did the trick!
Merkaba is correct. But make intelligent choices with food. Built's got the right idea with olive oil shots. It's an easy way to hammer in some extra calories in the right form.
Ok, got it. It isnt bad; I'd change a few things but overall not bad. Since your goal is to add mass, why not try a program proven to put mass on? Like a 20 rep squat variation? Adding in 1 gallon of milk is also a great move since it is a good source of macronutrients.
Glad you're open to suggestions. I've given this to my clients who've wanted to put mass on. Gaz did a writeup on this on his site. I grew like a weed with this when I was a newb many years ago.
For squats and deads, pick a weight you can do just 10 reps with. go to 20, but take deep breath in between reps.
Session 1:
20 rep squats 1x20
Dumbbell Pullover; 1x12
5 minute rest;
Romanian Deadlifts; 2 warms, 1 work set of 5-10 reps
Weighted Pullups; 2 warms, 1 work set of 5-10 reps
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Session 2:
20 rep standard deadlift 1x20
Dumbbell Pullover; 1x12
5 minute rest;
Barbell Push Press; 2 warms, 1 work set of 5-10 reps
Hang Cleans;2 warms, 1 work set of 5-10 reps
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Session 3:
20 rep squats 1x20
Dumbbell Pullover; 1x12
5 minute rest;
Incline Bench Press; 2 warms, 1 work set of 5-10 reps
Barbell Rows; 2 warms, 1 work set of 5-10 reps
4 days left, simply rest or add in 20 minute cardio sessions (3 at the most) for better calorie partitioning.
