I am going to run a cycle from AT, it's one of their beginner bulk cycles consisting of Deca/Dbol, I have run Deca only cycles previously with good results and thought it time to step up to a stack. My goal is to be trimmed out be Memorial Day weekend so this is the plan, run the cycle for 6 weeks, that is what is suggested by AT, then either run my PCT or go straight into Tbol which I am hoping will shred me a little and give a dryer appearance, my question is this: Can I go straight into the Tbol or should I run my PCT first, then cycle into the TBol?
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Are you serious
GMO
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Stats please: Age/Weight/BF%/Training and AAS history.
I need this to help you at all.
If this is your first cycle, look here: http://www.ironmagazineforums.com/anabolic-zone/104658-first-cycle-pct.html
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You are in serious need of help. By the way you sound in your post you are no where near ready to be using AAS. You have to do research first. This shit isn't a game . It can seriously negatively impact your health if not done correctly. You have run Deca alone with good results in the past? By good results do you mean unable to have sex? Deca Dick ? You must of had fake Deca otherwise this would of been the case. Deca is more expensive to make than test so some shady companies substitute a low dose of test in place of Deca because it produces similiar results. Please for your own good do not start this cycle or any other cycle until you have studied and learned much more about AAS. You are almost clueless judging by your post. This is a good site to learn. Stay here and read everything you can and you will one day be able to run AAS safely.
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WTF!!! are you serious?!!
Anabolictemple.com. one of their beginner cycles is Deca/Dbol run for six weeks, just going by what the "experts" are telling me
id stay away from there bud.......some experts......plenty of info on here to get you on the right track
Diet, training experience?
Age weight?
Age weight?
Anyone want to guess his training experience, weight and age? I think he left the building with Elvis. I'm guessing he's 19, 165 and has been training "seriously" for three years.
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There is also a Deca/D-bol cycle outlined in Anabolics 2009. The d-bol is started at week 3 and ran through week 8. This acts as the androgen to hopefully take care of deca dick probs. That being said there are two issues with this IMO:
#1 Deca should be run at least 10+ weeks for best effect as it is a VERY long ester. 8 weeks is just not long enough.
#2 Test should always be run with Deca. The two compounds work so well together to build mass, and Test will keep your dick working. Also, 19-Nors can make PCT a bitch, if there is no Test in the cycle.
TGB1987
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This ^ . I don't think there is an issue with deca/dbol so much other that what GMO stated. But Deca only cycles are completely different. Either way Deca should be run with test for best results.
TGB1987
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I going with 20 yrs old training 2 yrs weight 175 that is my guess.
Good assumption, but no. Maybe I wasn't as forthcoming with my information as I could have been, I am 34 yrs. old, I strength train 3 days/wk split into upper and lower body with upper split into front and back. I have been lifting since age 13, I have years experience in training as well as a Bachelor's of Exercise and Sports Science from Texas State U. NOw, that being said, I have not had major exposure to AAS, just some of the sites I get onto and read, I have done research, but never bothered about PCT, here is why: whether the Deca I did back in college was Deca or not, I have no idea, what I do know is that I went from a scrauny 155-160, to a ripped 180 using what I thought was Deca only, along with creatine, that's it. I never ran any type of PCT, whether I got lucky or not, I have no idea, I just know what the results were. I was running collegiate track at the time and was subject to testing so I did my cycles off season. My stats are 34yrs of age, BF between 12-15%, training experience of a decade plus, training and nutrition are not the issue, AAS is.
So, I have been to the stickies, read up about PCT, what to take to combat gyno, water retention, yata, yata. What I want to know is if the Deca/Dbol cycle for 8 weeks is no good, can someone recommend one. I am looking to walk around at 190-195, current weight stays between 183-185 consistently, I know because I check every other day while at the gym. Now, if this sounds like the ranting of a 19 yr old, then the youth of today are more astute then I thought possible.
You need to do a lot of reading, but I'd suggest a mile Test only cycle in the range of 10-12 weeks. Adding a few pounds whilst staying lean should be no problem at all.
As far as your OP, that would have been 4-6 weeks of D-Bol/Deca and then running T-Bol right after? That's a train wreck, brotha. For numerous reasons.... You're liver is thanking you now for doing a little research before you kicked that thing off.
Good Luck
thank you very much, I appreciate the feedback sans flammage!
sorry, forgot to ask what type of test, i have read up on esters and such, so what is the recommendation, I prefer not to have anything heavy, I believe I read in one of the stickies that anything 250ml/mg and up is going to be a sore injection
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Sorry for making the assumption that you were a 20 yr old(it is fairly common for a young person to post a question like yours) but the cycle you started with was wrong in many ways and there actually are 20 yr olds on this forum that have more AAS knowledge then you might think. Anyway being that I understand that you are not some young punk who has very little training experience but more along the lines of a seasoned weight lifter with little to no AAS experience I want to help you. You have come to the right place to learn. I am new to this forum but have be a frequent to many others and this one in particular has become my favorite. So let's start with the reason you gained well off of your deca only cycle. IT was your first cycle and my guess is that you were no where near your natural max. prior to using AAS. This means you had plenty of room to grow and your body never experienced a surge in hormones before this explains why you gained 20lbs. Deca only is a terrible idea. Deca and Dbol is an old cycle combo that is really outdated now a days. For your next cycle I would run either TEST CYP or TEST ENANTHATE at 400-600mg with a kickstart of either TBOL at 20-40mg for weeks 1-4 if you are going for more of lean mass gains or DBOL at 25-50mg for wks 1-4 if you are just looking to gain sheer mass along with some water weight. You will probably gain more overall with the DBOL kickstart. You shouldn't have too much of an issue getting up to your weight goal. This is a simple cycle with little sides compared more complex cycles. Perhaps on your next cycle you could add some Deca or EQ with the same dose of test for great results. For cycle support I would get a liver support supp to take a week before the dbol - 2 weeks after you finish the dbol or Tbol. You will need a good AI. I recommend aromasin because it works well during cycle and is the best for PCT as well in my opinion. While on cycle take it at 12.5mg eod and even once every third day if you are not experiencing any estro sides. If you begin to get estro sides add in nolvadex or up the dose to 12.5 ed and if needed 25mg everyday Estro shouldn't be too bad on this cycle low dose of AI should work. Do you have a decent PCT setup?
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NO need for apologies, I understand that seasoned vets can get upset with guys that just jump on and start asking boneheaded questions, mine was boneheaded, but it illicited a response that got us to this point, I appreciate the advice as will continue to learn as much as I can about AAS and everything associated with them
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Most companies sell test at 250mg/ml or 200mg/ml with a few exceptions. I would stay under 250mg/ml for the reason you stated
No, i do not have a good PCT setup, which is one of the reasons, along with not knowing enough, that I haven't placed an order yet, I will take ceratinly read and re-read everything you and others have suggested and continue to do my "due diligence" and research before I get myself into something that I will regret, thanks again and you guys have an excellent weekend
with that being said, I choose AnabolicTemple because they claim to ship domestically and I don't have to worry about custom seizures, I was going to pay by cc, so that if my product didn't arrive I could have cleared it with my bank as a fraudulent transaction. If you guys can recommend a good website, I am certainly all ears
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I am going to PM you with some advice.
thank you sir
