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How much time is too much time at the gym

juggernaut said:
He's right; it worked for Arnold, because he's Arnold. That's a shitload of volume. I will usually respond to a total of 8-12 sets total for group, and that's with differing rep schemes throughout the year. If I'm gaining, I go even lower, ala blue collar training or 531. My mission is build a shitload of muscle, but do it intelligently. At 243lbs with 10% fat, I'm not doing too bad a job.
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At 243 and 10% I'd say you have your training dialed in as well as your diet and rest schedule. Much respect to you!!
 
When I train people, I limit them to an hour unless they are athletes with specific needs.

I usually get can in and out of the gym in around 45 minutes.
 
Thresh said:
Wonder if that's my problem, I love working out harder and harder, longer and longer. After doing around 600 reps on arm day, an hour later I'll be asking my friend if he wants to play tennis or go rock climbing. If he didn't say no all the time I'd never sit still and rest.
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It takes you 600 reps? Oh, you meant in the gym...never mind. :jerkit:
 
Thresh said:
I'm currently doing arnold's 6 day duel split, arms where the a.m. Workout.

Biceps:

Barbell curls 6 x 6-10
Seated dumbbell curls 6 x 6-10
Dumbbell concentration curls 6 x 6-10

Triceps:

Close-grip bench presses 6 x 6-10
Pushdowns 6 x 6-10
French press (barbell) 6 x 6-10
One-arm triceps extensions (dumbbell) 6 x 6-10

This workout great for the first 2 weeks, bit then I had to add more shit...

Superset 10 sets with zero rest, with Tricep cable pushdown with rope and cable hammer curled with rope, your on one exercise, partner on the other, do 10 reps then switch. When all is said and done you get 200 continuous reps out of that. Do this twice you got 400 right there.

Next arm day we will do heavier weight with half the reps.
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Um yes...Arnold was a Freak AND geared up. Keep that in mind.
 
ok so heres a question..... we are finding that MOST people are around 1 hour in gym on average
but how many times a week? do you cardio on off days?
 
Anabolic5150 said:
Thresh, as much as I respect Arnold, that workout will overtrain you so quick. Do you have a job? A life? Arnold didn't do shit but train, eat and hang out at the beach, Joe Weider paid the bills. On my best days I would last maybe two weeks on that program, it's not a good layout at all.
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Yes I have a job, I work between 60-80 hours a week. Yes I have a life cause I never need more than 4 hours of sleep a day to be perfectly fine. I pay all my own bills :)

You do realize if you don't socialize you can do this workout in two 1.5 hour sessions. I currently do not do the abs for an hour, but it would be rather easy to do that at night before bed.

Maybe I'm crazy but overtraining is a myth I'm sorry. As long as you give muscles time to heal, you can train them all day. People in the Olympics train 4-8 hours a day, the same freaking muscles.

Sorry I also don't think Arnold wad done genetically special person as well. I believe when he picked up his first set of weights he was 6" 150lbs? What the he'll is special about that? The human body will adapt to anything you put it through. Thought that was evident enough when I used to rock climb 8hrs a day (as a job) and still weight lifted after.

O well. I'm up 20lbs in just over a month, went from 13" biceps to over 16" from over training. I have never done an illegal steroid (yet), just super dmz, one bottle. If I stop growing, I'll do what anyone else would do, change up routine....
 
I recently changed my routine a bit and I can get every bodypart besides legs done in 45 mins. Legs take about an hour to an hour and 15 for me. I go 5 days a week but on my rest days I still get to the gym for abs and calves. 15 minutes cardio daily after workout, 45 min jog/walk intervals twice weekly in the A.M.
 
Thresh said:
Yes I have a job, I work between 60-80 hours a week. Yes I have a life cause I never need more than 4 hours of sleep a day to be perfectly fine. I pay all my own bills :)

You do realize if you don't socialize you can do this workout in two 1.5 hour sessions. I currently do not do the abs for an hour, but it would be rather easy to do that at night before bed.

Maybe I'm crazy but overtraining is a myth I'm sorry. As long as you give muscles time to heal, you can train them all day. People in the Olympics train 4-8 hours a day, the same freaking muscles.

Sorry I also don't think Arnold wad done genetically special person as well. I believe when he picked up his first set of weights he was 6" 150lbs? What the he'll is special about that? The human body will adapt to anything you put it through. Thought that was evident enough when I used to rock climb 8hrs a day (as a job) and still weight lifted after.

O well. I'm up 20lbs in just over a month, went from 13" biceps to over 16" from over training. I have never done an illegal steroid (yet), just super dmz, one bottle. If I stop growing, I'll do what anyone else would do, change up routine....
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Well, I wish you the best in your training endeavors.
 
Thresh said:
Maybe I'm crazy but over training is a myth I'm sorry. As long as you give muscles time to heal, you can train them all day. People in the Olympics train 4-8 hours a day, the same freaking muscles.
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All that other stuff is fine and I won't argue with it, and if this training is working for you then that's great and I won't say anything about that either, but over-training isn't a myth. Ya Olympic athletes train for 8 hours a day but it's endurance training, like swimming or running. It's not heavy weight lifting the whole time. Being 20 definitely helps you recover faster than someone older but training arms 3 or 4 hours a week will catch up with you. And I don't mean when your 30. I think a few months of that and the average guy would start seeing negative results. It's ok to bring up a weak point and hit it hard for a month or two but it's hard to continue like that.

Also, just curious you said you gained 20 pounds but 3 inches to your arms. Are you training your whole body? Cause I have gained about 50 pounds and only gained about 2.75 inches to my arms.
 
I lifted about 7 years ago and Im getting back into it. My arms have basically returned to where they were previously, maybe slightly smaller, I thought I had measured 16.25" back in the day.

Yeah I train the entire body. I take it easy on my legs cause of a knee injury i had awhile back, dont want it to come back as well. Here is the link to the routine.

Bodybuilding.com - What Is The Best Professional Bodybuilder Workout?


On the other note, muscles are nothing but fibers that do mechanical motions, they only grow in response to stress. They take 48 hours to heal. Overtraining generally refers to the nervous system. Your nervous system gets hit when all the little chemicals that help neurons fire get depleted (from my super simplistic point of view).

Now the symptoms for overtraining...lack of motivation, drive, feel like shit. All sound like symptoms of depression to me, a nerve thing. All the over training in the world I gaurentee you that your body mechanically still works after a 2 hour workout. A large portion of the population can get depression. I on the underhand am a feel the burn junky, it's my crack. I don't get my crack then I get a little depressed :)

And yeah it will be hard as shit to continue! But I'll try ;) and what the hell is wrong with 30? (I'm 27 and counting the days till I'm 30....cause it sucks lol)
 
Oh I thought you said you were 20 lol. I hear ya, muscle memory definitely helps. Wow that is a lot of volume. I don't think I have done as many reps the whole time I've been working out as one week of that routine haha. I think I did 19 reps in todays workout minus grip work which was timed holds and not reps anyways.
 
Thresh, you've been eating a lot, taking a PH and training like a maniac for a month. I'm glad you're seeing results. I'll wait to see how you feel in another three months on this.
 
Built said:
Thresh, you've been eating a lot, taking a PH and training like a maniac for a month. I'm glad you're seeing results. I'll wait to see how you feel in another three months on this.
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I ran out of the ph before I started the routine. I did just order more though, got results with the ironmag products so I might as well try them again.

I should have done a log.
 
Built said:
It's how I ruin lives.
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It made me a better trainer!
Now I just need tape on my glasses, a pen proctector for my short sleeved collared shirt and the sleeves torn off.

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millertime said:
when i was young i work at a powerhouse gym and all the guys that work there said not to spend more than 90 minutes cus after that it starts to harm muscle grow. with that being said i noticed that most of the guys that are serious about it stay a least 2 hours myself included. with about an hour or so with wieght training and 30-45 minutes with cardio.i think this is a myth 2 hours doesnt seem bad as long as your diet is good. what do you guys think?
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thats what i like to accomplish when i hit the gym, 2 hours max
 
juggernaut said:
27 and whining...fucking generation full of bitches...jk :)

Why did you stop training?
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Life, school, shit facility where I lived didn't help motivate me. Got back into it after a friend ask me to go, we stuck with it, then of course my addiction kicked back in for lifting weights.
 
In my personal experience you listen to your body. If you are NOT gaining but everything else including diet, sleep, supplementation is dialed in; then you are probably over training and should lower your volume.

I have hit plateaus before and lowering my volume helped push me past my plateaus. If you are still gaining, you can play around with it and increase your volume if you wish.
But once you stop gaining, you probably need to look at reducing the volume.

At this time, I personally only train 3 times per week for an average of 1 hour 15 to 1 hour 30. That's excluding cardio.
I do no chatting in the gym. I am all business when I am there. I lift each set to 90 - 95% intensity except warm up sets.
I am usually drained by the end of my work out. This is what is working FOR ME at this time.

LISTEN TO YOUR BODY !!!!!!!!!!!!
 
I wish more of you guys were at my gym. At 4pm my gym goes full retard with guys basically hanging out there for three hours. Same group, all chatting and taking ten minutes rest between sets.

One guy came in tonight and I actually heard him say he was working bis and abs today so it wouldn't be a long workout, and then he started walking around catching up with whatever he didn't talk to everyone about yesterday. I'm working with clients the whole time. At 6:30pm (he came in at 4) he's still doing sets of abs. I've never seen any of these guys on cardio at all.
 
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