Putting together my first cycle with Tprop

[ooa4oo]

Hey fellas,

Pretty standard cycle just wanted some feedback from you vets before I start to make sure I'm on the right track.

I have 4g of prop.
Not sure the best way to dose it and what length, but so far I have my plan as follows:

prop wk 1-9 125mg EOD

hcg wk 3-9 250iu E4D

exemestane 12.5mg EOD from start through PCT

tamox 5 days after last pin 20/20/10/10

I also have some finasteride and will start 2 wks prior to cycle at 1mg ED and continue through PCT

Thanks for the guidance so far.
Comments and suggestions please..

 

[FUZO]

well by the looks of it this must be your first cycle and this shouldnt be run as a first cycle or even a cycle.How old are you how much do you weigh. This is a horrible idea to run prop only for 9 weeks then want to take exemestane 12.5mg which is not needed or finasteride which is not needed . Where did you learn to do onlky 9 weeks of prop only. You do know your not going to gain much weight with prop only for only 9 weeks eod. Please read more and educate yourself more on aas

 

[chucky1]

well by the looks of it this must be your first cycle and this shouldnt be run as a first cycle or even a cycle.How old are you how much do you weigh. This is a horrible idea to run prop only for 9 weeks then want to take exemestane 12.5mg which is not needed or finasteride which is not needed . Where did you learn to do onlky 9 weeks of prop only. You do know your not going to gain much weight with prop only for only 9 weeks eod. Please read more and educate yourself more on aas

He will be just fine running prop for 9 weeks at 125mg eod and yes he needs Aromasin 12.5mg eod this is fine dude test prop is a short ester and will kick in fast 9 weeks is plenty of time bro, you might be confusing long and short esters like test c or e which he'd be better to run a 12 weeker don't jump the gun around here thats a good first cycle. Maybe at 100mg Eod would be better for a first but 125 will be fine. Please don't tell newbs they dont need an AI, that bad advice dude. and yes he needs to post stats, this you are right about.
The only reason they say not to run prop first cycle is all the pinning thats it.

 

[ooa4oo]

Yes this is my first cycle.
30 yrs old 5'6 155lbs 10%

Can you please elaborate fuzo? You've got me a bit confused.

From what I've gathered:

Test only cycles are ideal for first timers.
Only thing I'm doing different is using a short ester instead of enth or cyp, which I do not mind the more frequent pinning.

Also the typical length I'm reading across the boards is 8-10 weeks before response drops without upping dosage.

I am conscious about my hair hence the finasteride.

Also an AI is not necessary but always welcome.

Can someone else please chime in, because I have been doing my homework and FUZO's post is somewhat conflicting.

 

[FUZO]

thats absurd to say the only reason not to do a prop only cycle is because of pinning,and I do know my esters and a prop only cycle is a waste and only 9 weeks and him being a newbie. And imo this newbie doesnt need Aromasin for prop for only 9 weeks

 

[FUZO]

If your going to run a cycle a long ester is they way to do it not a short ester and only 9 weeks. Cyp or enth for 12 weeks to get the most benefit out of AAS for a first time cycle wou will gain 20lbs if you train and eat right. If you run prop for 9 weeks your not going to gain nearly as much and prop isnt the ideal test to run for a first time. Like I said cyp-or enth. And another thing if anyone is woried about there hair or losing there hair dont do AAS period

 

[ooa4oo]

Thanks so far for the feedback guys.

I already have my items though, but could you elaborate on why cyp or enth would be better over prop FUZO, because from what I've read most prefer prop if not for the pinning.

Also chucky you suggested 100mg eod over 125.. would it be better to do 100 eod and spread it over a longer period vs the current 9 weeks?

 

[FUZO]

people prefer prop with other aas not alone. Long acting esters such as cyp-enth you will gain quality muscle over a long period of time and thats the goal to gain muscle over a period of time and to keep your gains.Imo I would never do a prop only cycle. But just like the other post I read if its already in your mind then why bother helping you if people arent going to listen on how to do AAS the proper way. This isnt a game to me ive done this over 15 years and still I have more to learn,.. I tell everyone to educate them selves and ask and ask and ask questions on several boards not just one. Get a whole swarm of ideas and some are right and somne are wrong. But I'm right. Also if pinning is a problem or losing your hair get out of this game. I dont mean you but who ever posts will I lose my hair shit like that. Of course your going to lose your hair 95% of men will

 

[ooa4oo]

I see.

When I looked up the different esters, the lengths only affected time to kick in and clear the system, water retention, and some stated severity of other sides.. all which were in favor of prop.

The bottom line was that test is test regardless of which ester, so the gains will all be similar.

Again this is conflicting with your statements. :|

 

[caaraa]

If your going to run a cycle a long ester is they way to do it not a short ester and only 9 weeks.

 

[Vibrant]

Actually op, the cycle you outlined is not a bad cycle. Test p 125mg eod for nine weeks will give you some nice gains. Aromasin should be taken 12.5mg eod or ed while on cycle. Pct should be clomid 100/100/75/50 and aromasin 25/25/12.5/12.5. test p can be a little painful but if you dont mind the frequent pinning and the pip, I dont see why you can't use test p.

 

[Vibrant]

Fuzo, you still have not given a single valid reason for not using prop yet you say you're right.

 

[chucky1]

Actually op, the cycle you outlined is not a bad cycle. Test p 125mg eod for nine weeks will give you some nice gains. Aromasin should be taken 12.5mg eod or ed while on cycle. Pct should be clomid 100/100/75/50 and aromasin 25/25/12.5/12.5. test p can be a little painful but if you dont mind the frequent pinning and the pip, I dont see why you can't use test p.

just like what i said!

Fuzo, you still have not given a single valid reason for not using prop yet you say you're right.

^x2

 

[chucky1]

test is test brother, hit the gas bro....

 

[FUZO]

A 9 week cycle is shit first of all. Why do 9 weeks and only prop give me a break do some educating a prop only cycle is a waste.The only reason to take only prop is for HRT or to cruise while coming of a long cycle to have some rest or to use it along with other AAS thats it but not by itself.If you newbies think 9 weeks with prop is a solid cycle your wrong. also I dont know what kind of prop you take that is painful but prop made the right way is not painful at all its painless.I'm a 100% right that no newbie or even advanced bodybuilder should do 9 weeks of prop.Man you guys got it all wrong. But hey if you think taking prop is a good idea then you do it but dont tell newbies its a good idea your wrong dead wrong.Dont give out such foolish knowledge.

 

[pieguy]

Fuzo, you still have not given a single valid reason for not using prop yet you say you're right.

Seriously . WTF is the difference of a test prop run vs a test c run for a first timer? Virtually nothing. Only complaint about test prop like Vibrant said is injection pain, pip and the fact that you're a human pin cushion.

You'll make nice consistent gains on 125mg eod. However, if it were me, i'd be using insulin pins and going 75mg ed or 100mg ed considering how much I hate using big needles. You can also just buy 3ml syringes and 27gauge needles too.

Um, why a 9 week cycle? Easy recovery, short ester kicks in early so you have a good 7-8 weeks of solid mass gain, myostatin kicks in around week 8 and without a finisher, slows you down. I like how you haven't posted a single bit of scientific reason behind your explanations FUZO other than "you're all noobs and I'm right." I've even researched on this board and others and they all say test prop as a first cycle is perfectly fine for a beginner.

 

[FUZO]

Wll I dont need any scientific explanation seriously thats what you will say I need scientific stats. How about 15 years of training and using gear and I know that using prop alone is a waste like I stated above.No one should ever use prop alone thats absurd as other wise like I stated.95% of aas users is to get as big as you can and if you think using prop for a first cycle is ideal your dead wrong. And I will back my statements. To many young guns around here think they know what there doing and giving out bad advice.Keep kidding yourself that a prop only cycle is good. Its to bad people think your ay and give out bad advice to newbies.I'm done with this . You can use prop only all you want but i'll damn make sure if newbs want to know how to cycle I will educate them the right way

 

[jtterrible]

but you haven't given any explanation.. scientific or not.. just "it's bad cuz I say it's bad and you need to research more cuz I'm right".. I get you have experience, but you aren't even backing your argument with broscience..

 

[Vibrant]

A 9 week cycle is shit first of all. Why do 9 weeks and only prop give me a break do some educating a prop only cycle is a waste.The only reason to take only prop is for HRT or to cruise while coming of a long cycle to have some rest or to use it along with other AAS thats it but not by itself.If you newbies think 9 weeks with prop is a solid cycle your wrong. also I dont know what kind of prop you take that is painful but prop made the right way is not painful at all its painless.I'm a 100% right that no newbie or even advanced bodybuilder should do 9 weeks of prop.Man you guys got it all wrong. But hey if you think taking prop is a good idea then you do it but dont tell newbies its a good idea your wrong dead wrong.Dont give out such foolish knowledge.

what the fuck are you smoking? You have not backed any of your statements with anything that's even close to being credible. I dont give a damn if you've been in the game 15 or 30 years, it doesn't mean anything. It could just mean that for 15 years, you've been doing the dumbest shit ever

Why dont you take your own advice and do some research because it's obvious you haven't done any.

 

[chucky1]

what the fuck are you smoking? You have not backed any of your statements with anything that's even close to being credible. I dont give a damn if you've been in the game 15 or 30 years, it doesn't mean anything. It could just mean that for 15 years, you've been doing the dumbest shit ever

Why dont you take your own advice and do some research because it's obvious you haven't done any.

lol i totally agree with this. I'm on an 8 week blast of prop and doing great, big gains already, and its only week 3

 

[FUZO]

You kids can keep running your mouth all you want but telling someone to do a prop only cycle is the wrong advice and if you think running a prop only cycle is smart your not to bright when it comes to cycling AAS. I can just bet your knowledge of AAS is weak by the answers you have giving especialy telling someone to do a prop only cycle and repeatng what others have said..And by the tone of your words and what you said this is very immature of you and thats why you give out wrong advice.

 

[FUZO]

Seriously . WTF is the difference of a test prop run vs a test c run for a first timer? Virtually nothing

You couldnt be any more wrong by your quote are you friggin serious to say this.Lets see 12 weeks of prop your not going to get even close to the amount of gains you would get with using cyp but you say virtually nothing your very wrong. And this is my point your giving ut wrong advice. And then you complain about your needles. Man up and just use a 22g to draw and a 23g to shoot no need to use a insulin pin. Leave the Insulin pins for IGF and growth.You kids dont have a clue on what bodybuilding really is do you. And what to acieve in the sport. Yeah 9 weeks of prop good job you'll become a bodybuilder really soon doing it that way

 

[pieguy]

Haha wow. Still no shred of reason or scientific proof. Do u have any answer that isn't "because I say so?"

 

[Vibrant]

Haha wow. Still no shred of reason or scientific proof. Do u have any answer that isn't "because I say so?"

I think that because we are "immature", we are automatically wrong

 

[Vibrant]

You couldnt be any more wrong by your quote are you friggin serious to say this.Lets see 12 weeks of prop your not going to get even close to the amount of gains you would get with using cyp but you say virtually nothing your very wrong. And this is my point your giving ut wrong advice. And then you complain about your needles. Man up and just use a 22g to draw and a 23g to shoot no need to use a insulin pin. Leave the Insulin pins for IGF and growth.You kids dont have a clue on what bodybuilding really is do you. And what to acieve in the sport. Yeah 9 weeks of prop good job you'll become a bodybuilder really soon doing it that way

Try using some space in your posts once in a while because your posts dont give anyone any good info but they do make everybody's eyes bleed.

 

[SloppyJ]

Fuzo, you're full of shit. You need to back off on giving advice if you don't know what you're talking about. There's nothing wrong with a 9-10wk cycle of prop. And an AI is needed you dumbass.

OP, a better PCT would be clomid however.

 

[Imosted]

Fuzo, you're full of shit. You need to back off on giving advice if you don't know what you're talking about. There's nothing wrong with a 9-10wk cycle of prop. And an AI is needed you dumbass.

OP, a better PCT would be clomid however.

+1

 

[Quadzilla02]

I actually like this as a first cycle. The only thing with prop is youll be pinning 3x instead of 2 which doesnt seem like much at first, but it will add up. Even an 8 week cycle at 150 MWF is a great first cycle. Def use and AI and I agree with Sloppy J with the clomid. 4 weeks at 50mgs/day is better IMO. Other then that I see nothing wrong with the cycle and think that you did your homework well

 

[ooa4oo]

Thanks fellas.

A few things..

So I should bump up the exemastane dose during start of PCT and taper back down or keep it linear throughout?

Also what are the benefits of clomid over nolva? I was reading all the clomid vs nolva and it made my head spin, so I just chose nolva since it would help out with any ensuing gyno issues as well, but would not mind ordering some clomid.

 

[SloppyJ]

Nolva decrease IGF levels which isn't what you want during PCT. Here's what I would do for your PCT.

Clomid: 100/75/75/50
Aromasin: 25/25/12.5/12.5