Steroids--AntiDepressants--Outcome

[avesher]

I am 45 years old and did a 10 week cycle of cypionate. I am on paxil and epival. My last shot was 2 weeks ago, and 10 days ago I ended up in the hospital with a locked up body, flushing, depression, ulcer, insomnia, etc etc. 5 days ago I was having suicidal depression and anxiety and insomnia. Today it seems to be just anxiety. I did not do PCT (yes I am an idiot). I am just looking for opinions here from people who know more than me about steroids (which is everyone pretty much). Do most people think my body/brain will return to normal once the cypionate clears my system and getting a complete panel done in 2 months sound about the right timeframe (it will be reset to normal by then)

thanks

 

[Digitalash]

if you still haven't done pct START NOW

go to extremepeptide.com and order clomid, they actually have a good sale going right now if you use the coupon code "twistandshout". I'm sure saving some cash is the least of your worries just thought I'd mention it. I have no idea how steroids interact with antidepressants, but having low test is guaranteed to make you depressed which is just adding to your current situation. It'll get to you in a few days, take 100mg a day the first week, 50mg a day for the following 3 weeks.

As for your other symptoms, I honestly have no idea what would cause that as I know nothing about the antidepressants you're on, or if they are even related. I have never heard of those happening from AAS though

 

[LightBearer]

Dude youre like a manic depressive, you messed with your endocrine system by doing steroids and didnt take any measures to restart your natural hormone functions, this is a recipe for disaster. Your test levels from the cyp are droping rapidly and estrogen is building by now so youre going to be emotional x10 with your condition/
GET A PCT AND DO IT... you will be back to normal when your HPTA is restored bro, but do a pct i dont care if the supplies dont come for a month you still need to do it!

 

[avesher]

Dude youre like a manic depressive, you messed with your endocrine system by doing steroids and didnt take any measures to restart your natural hormone functions, this is a recipe for disaster. Your test levels from the cyp are droping rapidly and estrogen is building by now so youre going to be emotional x10 with your condition/
GET A PCT AND DO IT... you will be back to normal when your HPTA is restored bro, but do a pct i dont care if the supplies dont come for a month you still need to do it!

i wanted to pm this to you but cant, so ehre it is

You know what you are talking a bout and I wanted to ask something.

I did a very very small amount--I did a half cc every 8 days for 10 weeks. Also, I feel far better today than 10 days ago. Do you think since I did such a small amount I can recover faster?

 

[Digitalash]

A 1/2cc a week is not even worth it bro. That's like high normal test range. But yes I think you will recover faster than a full cycle, I still think you should do a pct though.

 

[unclem]

you had eps symptoms from the drug they gave you but i never heard of the epival and i work on a mental health drug addictions unit. u sure it wasnt elavil, stay w/ just the paxil not the other drug it must be super new. but at 45 dont worry about coming off the gear at all do blast and bridge till you adjust. coming off gear will cause awful mental depression. and if you have all the kids you want stay on yr round but not at high dosages all the time though, ie bridge work. i havent came off in over 20 yrs and my organs are fine , but tren will fuck with your potassium so no nsaids or aldactone while on tren. take organ protectors, ie milk thistle, saw pawmetto, cranberry juice extract. your brain aint the problem, maybe steroids are not for you my friend. dont do this to yourself again stay clear of the gear. do the paxil and live life. if it happened this bad this time gears not for you. i just reread your post. yes get a cbc in 2 months that will help alot. if u go to a endocrineologist or urologist they will take hormone shit there. iam sorry you went through this brother.

 

[avesher]

A 1/2cc a week is not even worth it bro. That's like high normal test range. But yes I think you will recover faster than a full cycle, I still think you should do a pct though.

Can a doctor prescribe novladex or anything like that? I have an appointment tomorrow

 

[avesher]

you had eps symptoms from the drug they gave you but i never heard of the epival and i work on a mental health drug addictions unit. u sure it wasnt elavil, stay w/ just the paxil not the other drug it must be super new. but at 45 dont worry about coming off the gear at all do blast and bridge till you adjust. coming off gear will cause awful mental depression. and if you have all the kids you want stay on yr round but not at high dosages all the time though, ie bridge work. i havent came off in over 20 yrs and my organs are fine , but tren will fuck with your potassium so no nsaids or aldactone while on tren. take organ protectors, ie milk thistle, saw pawmetto, cranberry juice extract. your brain aint the problem, maybe steroids are not for you my friend. dont do this to yourself again stay clear of the gear. do the paxil and live life. if it happened this bad this time gears not for you. i just reread your post. yes get a cbc in 2 months that will help alot. if u go to a endocrineologist or urologist they will take hormone shit there. iam sorry you went through this brother.

epival is also called divalproex
I will never go on the gear again after this experience, unless it is prescribed TRT

thanks for the helpful post, feel free to inform me of anything else you think relevant---it is so greatly appreciated since I am pretty uneducated about this

 

[Digitalash]

Can a doctor prescribe novladex or anything like that? I have an appointment tomorrow

for breast cancer maybe, I highly doubt they will give you anything for pct.

You don't need it, for under $20 you can get it shipped to you from extremepeptide.com and it'll be there in a few days

 

[Digitalash]

btw how did you feel on cycle? Was your depression alleviated at all? It could be possible low test is your problem, just a thought. At your age I'd consider TRT either way though

 

[avesher]

btw how did you feel on cycle? Was your depression alleviated at all? It could be possible low test is your problem, just a thought. At your age I'd consider TRT either way though

actually for the 10 years i am on the paxil before I did the cypionate I had no issues with depression other than a day here or there. While on the cycle I felt better, possibly even a little euphoric or arrogant (bad I know). I have no justification for the cycle due to the fact I was feeling good pre cycle

 

[unclem]

just do paxil now i live in usa so i dont know canada drug names there different in some forms. but fuck everything but stay w/ that paxil it will do u justice in about 2 weeks youll feel better. go to a trt specialist for future hormones and fuck it gear is not for you my friend train w/ supps. and natural.

 

[avesher]

just do paxil now i live in usa so i dont know canada drug names there different in some forms. but fuck everything but stay w/ that paxil it will do u justice in about 2 weeks youll feel better. go to a trt specialist for future hormones and fuck it gear is not for you my friend train w/ supps. and natural.

thank you sir for your help
right now my ulcer is destroying my insides--at this moment--bleh

 

[VictorZ06]

Dude youre like a manic depressive, you messed with your endocrine system by doing steroids and didnt take any measures to restart your natural hormone functions, this is a recipe for disaster. Your test levels from the cyp are droping rapidly and estrogen is building by now so youre going to be emotional x10 with your condition/
GET A PCT AND DO IT... you will be back to normal when your HPTA is restored bro, but do a pct i dont care if the supplies dont come for a month you still need to do it!

THIS!! Also, you may experience some more emotional issues once you start clomid. This does not apply to all, but many often feel like a "bitch" so to speak when on clomid. Bite the bullet because you have to use it. Sorry to agree with you, but yes....it was VERY idiotic of you not to run a PCT. Learn and move on.


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[FUZO]

What did the doctor say and why are you using gear when your on all that other medication.Just train normaly and leave the aas alone. Learn alot moe about it and ask questios for the next year and mbey you will be ready. I;m not being sarcastic i;m serious.Just train hard and get some creatine and protein and go tot town

 

[avesher]

dont worry about calling me idiotic or anything--I deserve what I get
I used steroids while on antidepressants with no PCT and basically that is about the full stupidity package I covered by doing all this (or not doing with the PCT)

Im fine with the criticism because I deserve it and need to learn from this brutal mistake

 

[avesher]

What did the doctor say and why are you using gear when your on all that other medication.Just train normaly and leave the aas alone. Learn alot moe about it and ask questios for the next year and mbey you will be ready. I;m not being sarcastic i;m serious.Just train hard and get some creatine and protein and go tot town

3 doctors all said the same thing. I will return to normal once the steroids compltely clear my system. I have a follow up appointment tomorrow with one and also will be looking to get some PCT.

 

[heavyiron]

Testosterone many times will cure depression. I know this sounds radical but I jumped off Paxil years ago and went on Test for life. There is clear evidence that dopamine synthesis increases with various steroids. You may have had low T causing your depression all these years. At your age low T is very common.

 

[BigBird]

Even if you don't run pct - it should be only a matter of time before your body recovers and achieves its pre-cycle homeostasis and natural balance. Thatis, unless you aren't lucky enouogh and require lifetime trt. Only a hormone panel done 2-3 months after last shot will shed true light on your body's actual state of recovery. Good luck.

 

[Digitalash]

I agree with heavy, test has helped my depression immensely. I think I may have had low T to begin with, but either way I feel "right" now like never before. I doubt such a low dose of test caused you any real health problems, it's the crash you're experiencing that's bringing on these issues. I tried antidepressants and they all made me feel like shit, wellbutrin worked for a little while but after a few months I was back to normal. I'm fairly young so when I asked them to check my test levels they said "no we'll just try some new meds...", At your age especially I would seriously give some thought to getting on TRT, even if you weren't depressed by your 40's it will definitely improve your quality of life.

 

[VictorZ06]

Testosterone many times will cure depression. I know this sounds radical but I jumped off Paxil years ago and went on Test for life.

This is correct, in my case at least. I used to be on a high dose of seroquil when I was younger, I cut my dose by more than 75% when I started using test. In the xanax thread, I mentioned that cycles and training really helped me in many ways. Thank GOD for test!!



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[unclem]

dont worry about calling me idiotic or anything--I deserve what I get
I used steroids while on antidepressants with no PCT and basically that is about the full stupidity package I covered by doing all this (or not doing with the PCT)

Im fine with the criticism because I deserve it and need to learn from this brutal mistake

dont be so hard on yourself ,learn from this like vic said, and ,just see a trt specialist this time to be monitored. i never come off gear it makes me feel happy.

r.i.p mik!

 

[VictorZ06]

dont be so hard on yourself ,learn from this like vic said, and ,just see a trt specialist this time to be monitored. i never come off gear it makes me feel happy.

r.i.p mik!

I've been considering getting on trt for a while now, primarily because of how much better I feel when I'm on test and how it helps me with my conditions. My docs don't agree with me, and I understand why....but if it works, it works. Docs always don't know everything as we all know.

I've heard this from a few people, and hearing it again here in this thread is really making me consider doing it more and more. I wanted to wait after my wife and I had a kid....I dono, still on the fence about it. But there is no doubt in my mind that test makes my life much easier for me. Gona have a sit down with my endo when I get home.

And yes...RIP MIK! One of the coolest, kindest, and most talented cats I've ever met. Man wouldn't harm a fly...I still can't believe my boy is gone...




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[unclem]

^^^i hear you vic ,ive been thinking about mik and i wish i could of said things different. r.i.p. mik. anyhow, if you go to dr trt vic , dont have to much gear in you or they wont give you nothing as i wanted to see my urologist as well but i know last time my levels were way to high and he told me no. but he was going to give me a script for 5 / 10cc bottles of test enthate, depo test ,to take to pharmacy, but, i went in with to high test levels. fuck lol.

 

[theCaptn']

I went through a terrible fkg depression post divorce but refused meds. Never looked back after gears. Gears!

 

[VictorZ06]

^^^i hear you vic ,ive been thinking about mik and i wish i could of said things different. r.i.p. mik. anyhow, if you go to dr trt vic , dont have to much gear in you or they wont give you nothing as i wanted to see my urologist as well but i know last time my levels were way to high and he told me no. but he was going to give me a script for 5 / 10cc bottles of test enthate, depo test ,to take to pharmacy, but, i went in with to high test levels. fuck lol.

I hear ya. Luckily both my primary MD and my endo are very close friends of mine that I grew up with. They are both aware of the kind of lifestyle that I lead, so getting on won't be a problem. It's my call, not theirs. It's great to have friends that are docs...sometimes they just call and tell me to come in for blood work out of the blue....just because they are my bros and they look after me more than a most traditional docs. I'm lucky in this respect.



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[VictorZ06]

I went through a terrible fkg depression post divorce but refused meds. Never looked back after gears. Gears!

I love to see when patients prove the doc wrong...you didn't "need" the meds, and you came out in the clear. Right on brotha! (sorry about the situation though)



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[avesher]

I need to import some of you guys to kick my ass
I laid in bed 3 straight days feeling sorry for myself figuring I am never going to feel better again

geez

 

[Digitalash]

Sounds shitty bro, have you ordered some pct yet? It could be quite a while before you feel right again without it. Or if you've given it some thought go to a doc and get a blood test, your test levels are probably low enough to get prescribed TRT. If you don't want to go that route then you can do it yourself, do a bit of research on the subject and check out the sponsors here. Best of luck man

 

[unclem]

oh, vic your the man, u got it made brother. good job.