My PCT after 8 months of blasting and cruising

[keith1569]

For me it took longer than 2 weeks off to crash. Closer to 4 for me when I noticed it

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[exphys88]

Yeah, I was waiting for someone to say that. Im sure it can't be this easy.

 

[keith1569]

LOL not trying to be a downer but that's just my experience. Hopefully you stay the way u feel but don't be surprised if ya don't.

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[exphys88]

Oh, I fully believe that I must not of crashed yet. Thanks for keeping it real.

 

[GreatWhiteTruth]

... I'm wondering if maybe I already had low test levels pre cycle and didn't know it. Cause , I feel completely normal.

I've wondered this myself. Before my very first cycle, my pre-cycle bloodwork said my Test was in the low 200s. The doc said it was normal, but as anyone knows it's all based on the doctors opinion and experience. I was surprised at how low it was.

 

[exphys88]

I've wondered this myself. Before my very first cycle, my pre-cycle bloodwork said my Test was in the low 200s. The doc said it was normal, but as anyone knows it's all based on the doctors opinion and experience. I was surprised at how low it was.

Bout 10 years ago I did 3-4 months of deca only w only clomid as pct, and didn't use again until march 2011, then I blasted and cruised until now. So, there is a possibility that I never recovered and just got used to low test levels. Idk

I do know that I've always had a hard time putting on mass and staying lean until I started aas again. And I've had to have an incredibly clean diet to keep my cholesterol down. So, maybe I'll never recover to normal levels.

 

[GreatWhiteTruth]

Bout 10 years ago I did 3-4 months of deca only w only clomid as pct, and didn't use again until march 2011, then I blasted and cruised until now. So, there is a possibility that I never recovered and just got used to low test levels. Idk

...

Especially with a deca ONLY cycle. Idk though, 10 years is a long time for never recovering fully. But then again, it was deca.

 

[exphys88]

Another update:
I'm about 3 weeks since last shot and still have only noticed a few changes.

-libido is still way down, but no ED at all.

-I'm getting sore as hell from my workouts, which have been really intense. I'm remaining very motivated.

-Feeling a little down, but hardly noticeable.

Overall, I'm thinking this is pretty easy. But here is my question:

I'm going to get bloodwork done 4 weeks after my pct is done, but I was considering also doing it in a couple days to determine if my lh and test levels are responding to the pct meds. Is there any value to this? Money is not an issue.

 

[BP2000]

Another update:
I'm about 3 weeks since last shot and still have only noticed a few changes.

-libido is still way down, but no ED at all.

-I'm getting sore as hell from my workouts, which have been really intense. I'm remaining very motivated.

-Feeling a little down, but hardly noticeable.

Overall, I'm thinking this is pretty easy. But here is my question:

I'm going to get bloodwork done 4 weeks after my pct is done, but I was considering also doing it in a couple days to determine if my lh and test levels are responding to the pct meds. Is there any value to this? Money is not an issue.

You got really good advice for PCT> Most ppl don't put much effort into it. Your HCG meds plus clomid/nolva combo is great. Good luck

 

[exphys88]

Thanks, I owe it to Dr. Scally and the vets here. GMO, and heavy especially.

 

[GMO]

Another update:
I'm about 3 weeks since last shot and still have only noticed a few changes.

-libido is still way down, but no ED at all.

-I'm getting sore as hell from my workouts, which have been really intense. I'm remaining very motivated.

-Feeling a little down, but hardly noticeable.

Overall, I'm thinking this is pretty easy. But here is my question:

I'm going to get bloodwork done 4 weeks after my pct is done, but I was considering also doing it in a couple days to determine if my lh and test levels are responding to the pct meds. Is there any value to this? Money is not an issue.

You will most likely still have levels of anabolics in your system, especially nandrolone. I would hold off on bw until 4-6 weeks after PCT is completed.

 

[exphys88]

I never did any deca. And the last 2 weeks of my cycle I only did 250 mg of test e each week.
And I will do bw well after pct, just wondering if I can learn anything by also doing bw now. I'm thinking that if lh is normal it may be a good sign that recovery is possible. Your thoughts?

 

[GMO]

I never did any deca. And the last 2 weeks of my cycle I only did 250 mg of test e each week.
And I will do bw well after pct, just wondering if I can learn anything by also doing bw now. I'm thinking that if lh is normal it may be a good sign that recovery is possible. Your thoughts?

Well, where did I get that idea...hmmm, sorry retard moment.

I guess it couldn't hurt, but you won't get a complete picture until down the road.

 

[exphys88]

Update:

It's been 4 weeks since last pin and I still have yet to feel any significant difference.
I'm beginning to think that for some, pct isn't all that bad. Or, maybe it's just that only the real bad stories post about it and that's all I've read?

• Strength has remained the same, plus soreness.
• Libido dropped quite a bit, but the last week it has returned to normal.
• mood has been good, no depression at all
• no ED whatsoever
• Motivation to workout is great
• I do feel a little sleepy during the day sometimes, but not bad.

Is this a normal pct experience for you guys? Is it still too early to know?

 

[~RaZr~]

Looks to me like your pushing through the PCT pretty well....

 

[SloppyJ]

I'm 2 weeks into it almost 3. I cut my workouts from 5days to a 3 day split to get more recovery. Im also taking DES 100mcg on WO days. I feel the same way that you do. This has been much better than my first PCT. And the only different factor is that I used HCG during the cycle. I haven't noticed a drop in libido though. Which surprised the shit out of me.

Update:

It's been 4 weeks since last pin and I still have yet to feel any significant difference.
I'm beginning to think that for some, pct isn't all that bad. Or, maybe it's just that only the real bad stories post about it and that's all I've read?

• Strength has remained the same, plus soreness.
• Libido dropped quite a bit, but the last week it has returned to normal.
• mood has been good, no depression at all
• no ED whatsoever
• Motivation to workout is great
• I do feel a little sleepy during the day sometimes, but not bad.

Is this a normal pct experience for you guys? Is it still too early to know?

 

[GreatWhiteTruth]

I'm 2 weeks into it almost 3. I cut my workouts from 5days to a 3 day split to get more recovery. Im also taking DES 100mcg on WO days. I feel the same way that you do. This has been much better than my first PCT. And the only different factor is that I used HCG during the cycle. I haven't noticed a drop in libido though. Which surprised the shit out of me.

Gotta be the HCG during cycle sloppy. It makes PCT a breeze. The difference is literally night and day.

I just finished mine up. Lost 2 pounds (DGAF), kept all of my strength and libido is back and kicking. At week 4 I noticed my libido was coming back, but I had enough clomid so I decided just to push it out to 6 weeks to be on the safe side. So far so good.

 

[exphys88]

Gotta be the HCG during cycle sloppy. It makes PCT a breeze. The difference is literally night and day.

I just finished mine up. Lost 2 pounds (DGAF), kept all of my strength and libido is back and kicking. At week 4 I noticed my libido was coming back, but I had enough clomid so I decided just to push it out to 6 weeks to be on the safe side. So far so good.

I'm going to pct for 6 weeks too. after 8 months on, I'm sure I need it.

 

[SloppyJ]

Gotta be the HCG during cycle sloppy. It makes PCT a breeze. The difference is literally night and day.

I just finished mine up. Lost 2 pounds (DGAF), kept all of my strength and libido is back and kicking. At week 4 I noticed my libido was coming back, but I had enough clomid so I decided just to push it out to 6 weeks to be on the safe side. So far so good.

Yup I'll never run another cycle without it. I ran 500iu 2x per week and then blasted 1000iu 3x one week before PCT. I also LOVE the DES in the mix. It still makes me feel like I'm doing something fun

I was on a 20wk'r. I plan to run for 6 weeks also. What was your layout? This is mine.

Clomid: 100/100/75/75/50/50
Nolva: 10mg ED the first 4 weeks
Aromasin: 25/25/25/25/12.5/12.5

 

[exphys88]

Yup I'll never run another cycle without it. I ran 500iu 2x per week and then blasted 1000iu 3x one week before PCT. I also LOVE the DES in the mix. It still makes me feel like I'm doing something fun

I was on a 20wk'r. I plan to run for 6 weeks also. What was your layout? This is mine.

Clomid: 100/100/75/75/50/50
Nolva: 10mg ED the first 4 weeks
Aromasin: 25/25/25/25/12.5/12.5

Mine is pretty identical to this, but I'm gonna run the nolva for 6 weeks and the clomid for 5. and i'm running 20 mg of nolva.

What is DES?

 

[SloppyJ]

Mine is pretty identical to this, but I'm gonna run the nolva for 6 weeks and the clomid for 5. and i'm running 20 mg of nolva.

What is DES?

IGF-DES. Pretty much a fast acting IGF.

 

[independent]

This is great news for you guys. Why doesnt anyone run torem for pct?

 

[GMO]

Just remember boys, and I'm not trying to discourage you, that weeks 4-6 is when you would normally hit a wall. That is PCT, not after your last shot of test. You do not fully recover your natty test levels during PCT...that just gets the process started. Then it is up to your body to pick up the slack and get things going. This is especially true if you were pinning high doses of long estered compounds.

 

[exphys88]

I'm not familiar with torem. I basically do what dr. scally suggests, but I add aromasin to his mix.

 

[exphys88]

Just remember boys, and I'm not trying to discourage you, that weeks 4-6 is when you would normally hit a wall. That is PCT, not after your last shot of test. You do not fully recover your natty test levels during PCT...that just gets the process started. Then it is up to your body to pick up the slack and get things going. This is especially true if you were pinning high doses of long estered compounds.

Thanks for this. I'm shocked that it has been so easy, and have been skeptical that my levels have dropped that much. Especially with the clomid in my system.

I would assume that the big drop happens when the clomid is discontinued and my body has to take over on it's own?

 

[SloppyJ]

Just remember boys, and I'm not trying to discourage you, that weeks 4-6 is when you would normally hit a wall. That is PCT, not after your last shot of test. You do not fully recover your natty test levels during PCT...that just gets the process started. Then it is up to your body to pick up the slack and get things going. This is especially true if you were pinning high doses of long estered compounds.

Party pooper!

 

[BP2000]

WHat are your clomid/Nolva doses? You and sloppy should start preaching the correct PCT. You guys are doing it right with HCG during and blasting right before PCT along with clomid/nolva/aro. Only other change is I would add 3 day's of toremiphene right after last shot at 60-120mg.

The biggest thing about PCT is getting your balls working again. So by taking HCG during your balls are partially online, then you blast at the end to wake them up more. Then the clomid and nolva help afterwards. Good job boys.

 

[GMO]

Thanks for this. I'm shocked that it has been so easy, and have been skeptical that my levels have dropped that much. Especially with the clomid in my system.

I would assume that the big drop happens when the clomid is discontinued and my body has to take over on it's own?

It is not so much the Clomid being discontinued, but the passage of time as more and more of the exogenous hormones are processed out of your system. Remember, you start your PCT at just one half-life of test, and that test has been accumulating over the period of your entire cycle. It actually takes quite a bit of time before all exogenous hormones are completely out of your system. That's why getting blood work done after PCT is a waste IMO. 4-6 weeks after PCT will give you a better picture of what is happening, and even then your body is still ramping up test production further, so it is good to have labs done an additional 4-6 weeks after that.
The average time to COMPLETELY recover your natty test levels is probably a good 4-6 months post-cycle.

 

[exphys88]

these are my doses:
clomid: 100/100/100/50/50-5 weeks
nolva: 20/20/20/20/10/10-6 weeks
aromasin: 25/25/25/12.5/12.5-5 weeks

I'm not sure why, but Dr. Scally recommends running nolva longer than the clomid. I'm in no position to debate this with anyone, but I do trust his judgement.

 

[exphys88]

It is not so much the Clomid being discontinued, but the passage of time as more and more of the exogenous hormones are processed out of your system. Remember, you start your PCT at just one half-life of test, and that test has been accumulating over the period of your entire cycle. It actually takes quite a bit of time before all exogenous hormones are completely out of your system. That's why getting blood work done after PCT is a waste IMO. 4-6 weeks after PCT will give you a better picture of what is happening, and even then your body is still ramping up test production further, so it is good to have labs done an additional 4-6 weeks after that.
The average time to COMPLETELY recover your natty test levels is probably a good 4-6 months post-cycle.

Ok. I've read Dr. Scally say that a normal 500 mg test cycle for 12 weeks will take a full month for test levels to drop to a level where recovery can actually start, which is exactly what you're saying. I'm just at a month now. I plan on waiting 4 weeks post pct to get blood work done.