Our Culture and Drugs

[ckcrown84]

I find it interesting, no annoying, that in our culture it is socially acceptable to:
Pop pills for headaches, a cold, acne, sickness, or any other ailment. Hell, we even have pills for "sleepless leg syndromes." Yet soon as someone mentions steroids people respond with negativity, like you are smoking crack or something. So, you mean to tell me you can pop pills for your headache, your depression, your sleepless legs, and ur nonfunctional penis, but it is NOT okay for me to pop a pill to help me heal quicker after my workouts?
God bless it.

 

[Jlive1980]

This is for those people

"The height of stupidity is most clearly demonstrated by the individual who ridicules something he knows nothing about." --- Albert Einstein.


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[ckcrown84]

This is for those people

"The height of stupidity is most clearly demonstrated by the individual who ridicules something he knows nothing about." --- Albert Einstein.


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Agreed, but a related problem is they THINK they know so much about it. "steroids cause... fill in the blank"

Yet, big pharma does fine and maintains social acceptability despite the fact that on the damn drug commercials they can say "may cause, severe diarrhea, cramps, suicide, neasua, dizziness, blurry vision, etc etc etc." Yet, people find this perfectly acceptable.

I guess those billions of dollars in marketing plans are quite effective haha

 

[KelJu]

I find it interesting, no annoying, that in our culture it is socially acceptable to:
Pop pills for headaches, a cold, acne, sickness, or any other ailment. Hell, we even have pills for "sleepless leg syndromes." Yet soon as someone mentions steroids people respond with negativity, like you are smoking crack or something. So, you mean to tell me you can pop pills for your headache, your depression, your sleepless legs, and ur nonfunctional penis, but it is NOT okay for me to pop a pill to help me heal quicker after my workouts?
God bless it.

Dude, you don't know what you are talking about. Restless leg syndrome is the most aggravating shit on the planet. I would rather get punched in the balls for 3 hours than to have a flare up of that shit. It basically means you don't get to go to sleep which is going to fuck your training up. No sleep means no rest or recovery, and your training turns to shit.

Other than that, I agree with you. The stigma around steroids and lots of other drugs is annoying.

 

[ckcrown84]

Dude, you don't know what you are talking about. Restless leg syndrome is the most aggravating shit on the planet. I would rather get punched in the balls for 3 hours than to have a flare up of that shit. It basically means you don't get to go to sleep which is going to fuck your training up. No sleep means no rest or recovery, and your training turns to shit.

Other than that, I agree with you. The stigma around steroids and lots of other drugs is annoying.

lol I was using it as an example. But, replace restless leg syndrome with... well any of the innumerable things we have prescriptions for. Hell, you name it we got a drug for it

 

[~RaZr~]

Those drugs, that you talked about, are pushed by prescribers who get hefty "gifts" from pharmaceutical companies.

People do not want steroids to be legal because they are both uneducated and scared due to all the negativity that the "corporate owned media" has fed them for years. Think about it. Teens and irresponsible idiots would be abusing the "sauce" just like they do a lot of other shit. All it would do is cause a shitstorm in the press and the cycle would start all over again.

*(This is my opinion and if you don't like it...oh well)

 

[hypo_glycemic]

^ It's not comfortable at all.. They prescribe Klonopin for NLS.. It runs in our family.. It absolutely keeps you up at night- if that's when it occurs. We have a family vitamin store and a lot of clients come in for Theanine, GABA, Tryptophan, etc to help in shaking out breaks.

 

[Dark Geared God]

Dude, you don't know what you are talking about. Restless leg syndrome is the most aggravating shit on the planet. I would rather get punched in the balls for 3 hours than to have a flare up of that shit. It basically means you don't get to go to sleep which is going to fuck your training up. No sleep means no rest or recovery, and your training turns to shit.

Other than that, I agree with you. The stigma around steroids and lots of other drugs is annoying.

I'll be right over to punch you in the nuts no charge

 

[LAM]

I find it interesting, no annoying, that in our culture it is socially acceptable to:
Pop pills for headaches, a cold, acne, sickness, or any other ailment. Hell, we even have pills for "sleepless leg syndromes." Yet soon as someone mentions steroids people respond with negativity, like you are smoking crack or something. So, you mean to tell me you can pop pills for your headache, your depression, your sleepless legs, and ur nonfunctional penis, but it is NOT okay for me to pop a pill to help me heal quicker after my workouts?
God bless it.

most people get all their info on these topics from televised media which is the worst place to get any type of accurate information. the info that mainstream puts out on gear is erroneous at best, and the people from the medical field that comment on it never have any type of expertise on the endocrine system.

drugs are drugs, but the labels that society puts on the users of them is all that really makes them different IMO. to me there is no difference between using gear, a beer, cigarette, weed, valium, etc...they are all the same to me and one can use them all responsibly or abuse them

 

[SloppyJ]

For real. When I take OTC sleep aids, I get restless leg syndrome. That shit is fucking HORRIBLE. What's funny to me is that we have all of these drugs to take. Then we have just as many drugs to take to counteract the side effects of the first set of drugs.

 

[HialeahChico305]

For real. When I take OTC sleep aids, I get restless leg syndrome. That shit is fucking HORRIBLE. What's funny to me is that we have all of these drugs to take. Then we have just as many drugs to take to counteract the side effects of the first set of drugs.

More money for them, makes sense to me.

 

[sassy69]

lol I was using it as an example. But, replace restless leg syndrome with... well any of the innumerable things we have prescriptions for. Hell, you name it we got a drug for it

Imaginary Lat Syndrome?

 

[ckcrown84]

most people get all their info on these topics from televised media which is the worst place to get any type of accurate information. the info that mainstream puts out on gear is erroneous at best, and the people from the medical field that comment on it never have any type of expertise on the endocrine system.

drugs are drugs, but the labels that society puts on the users of them is all that really makes them different IMO. to me there is no difference between using gear, a beer, cigarette, weed, valium, etc...they are all the same to me and one can use them all responsibly or abuse them

This is a very true. I am currently on a college campus, finishing up here shortly and I once got in an arguement with someone about working out / steroids. And I was like look here, it is okay for you to smoke cigs, drink alcohol, pollute your body, damage your liver, and do a million negative things to your body...oh and what your pot head friends do is okay too, same for the pill poppin' kids on exam week that do Addys like its there damn job. But, you have a hard time accepting that I take supplements and other substances to help me get bigger and perform better in the venue I enjoy? Hell I don't do other drugs, I don't smoke, don't drink, I sacrifice many friendships, parties, fun nights out, all so I can train like a boss. Yet, you look down on me? God it infuriates me

 

[ckcrown84]

Imaginary Lat Syndrome?

My roomy has that! God bless his heart. We are training him to get him some real lats

 

[Gissurjon]

Prescription drugs officially kill more people a year than heroin and cocaine combined. Thanks Nancy Reagan

 

[MDR]

Dude, you don't know what you are talking about. Restless leg syndrome is the most aggravating shit on the planet. I would rather get punched in the balls for 3 hours than to have a flare up of that shit. It basically means you don't get to go to sleep which is going to fuck your training up. No sleep means no rest or recovery, and your training turns to shit.

Other than that, I agree with you. The stigma around steroids and lots of other drugs is annoying.

I agree about restless leg syndrome. My wife suffers from it, and I can attest to the fact that it is very real. I also think that lumping depression in with the comment weakens the overall argument. There are millions of people who suffer from depression, and many need a combination of therapy and medication in order to live productive lives. I do agree with the OP that anabolic legislation is based more on fear and paranoia than on reality.

 

[~RaZr~]

Yea I agree with MDR. I have seen and worked with many people who were diagnosed with severe depression*. A multimodal treatment approach is usually the only way to manage it. What pisses me off is when ignorant people look down on those who are depressed and spew stupid crap like, "Well, get over it and get happy!"

*I mean those who were classified by the DSM-IV.

 

[sassy69]

Yea I agree with MDR. I have seen and worked with many people who were diagnosed with severe depression*. A multimodal treatment approach is usually the only way to manage it. What pisses me off is when ignorant people look down on those who are depressed and spew stupid crap like, "Well, get over it and get happy!"

*I mean those who were classified by the DSM-IV.

If you want to swing it back to steroids, how many people do you know who are naturally low test or moody from estrogen swings and are loaded up w/antidepressants w/o even doing a basic hormone panel?

Or while we're at it - how many thousands of women over the years have been given full hysterectomies to deal w/ "female hysteria". That's about the equivalent of castration. Doubt you'd see that prescribed for guys.

 

[~RaZr~]

If you want to swing it back to steroids, how many people do you know who are naturally low test or moody from estrogen swings and are loaded up w/antidepressants w/o even doing a basic hormone panel?

Or while we're at it - how many thousands of women over the years have been given full hysterectomies to deal w/ "female hysteria". That's about the equivalent of castration. Doubt you'd see that prescribed for guys.

Good points! Reps coming your way.

 

[ckcrown84]

I think a lot of people were missing the point of my rant.
The point was simply: That we find drugs for xyz socially acceptable despite the side-effects of those drugs. Yet, we find steroids to be unacceptable...and why? Because they make someone bigger, stronger, perform better, etc, etc?

 

[LAM]

they are only viewed that way by those that are ignorant and allow others to form opinions for them. just like everything else gear can be used intelligently to improve the health or abused to harm it. there is no reason why they shouldn't be decriminalized but there are no lobbyists in DC that represent them.

 

[sassy69]

I think a lot of people were missing the point of my rant.
The point was simply: That we find drugs for xyz socially acceptable despite the side-effects of those drugs. Yet, we find steroids to be unacceptable...and why? Because they make someone bigger, stronger, perform better, etc, etc?

There are plenty of double standards. However here you're also dealing w/ the power of the pharma lobby and I think no one wants to deal w/ side effects of things that change the clear definition of "male" & "female". That makes steroids both part of something most doctors don't know anything about and research instititute is going to get funding for research comparable to most other drugs.

 

[_LG_]

I take Dianabol for all the symptoms mentioned in this thread.

 

[07bobber]

When congress held hearings about millionaires, aka baseball players on juice it was the most ridiculous thing I have ever scene, I think professional athletes should be able to take all the juice they want, it makes for a better product


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[hoyle21]

When congress held hearings about millionaires, aka baseball players on juice it was the most ridiculous thing I have ever scene, I think professional athletes should be able to take all the juice they want, it makes for a better product


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Ill go a step further and say it should be required.

 

[ckcrown84]

Ill go a step further and say it should be required.

I kinda agree. Hell if it enables people to train harder and accomplish better results why not? Why would I want to see someone throw a 90mph ball when I can see 110 or bench 400 when I can see 600, the list goes on and on.

 

[fufu]

I find it interesting, no annoying, that in our culture it is socially acceptable to:
Pop pills for headaches, a cold, acne, sickness, or any other ailment. Hell, we even have pills for "sleepless leg syndromes." Yet soon as someone mentions steroids people respond with negativity, like you are smoking crack or something. So, you mean to tell me you can pop pills for your headache, your depression, your sleepless legs, and ur nonfunctional penis, but it is NOT okay for me to pop a pill to help me heal quicker after my workouts?
God bless it.

Most people are myopic and don't really think for themselves, hence your observation.

"Regular" people drink themselves to nausea every weekend, yet can't entertain the thought of smoking some weed.

 

[LAM]

the anti-drug rhetoric in the US fuels the fire for the stiff drug laws/incarceration of addicts, non-violent offenders, etc. where as in all other country's treatment is the solution not incarceration. but it all basically boils down to money. the for profit US prison system and the billions of dollars that are made off municipal bonds that are generated at the time any individual is incarcerated and sold thru brokerage firm such as AG Edwards or Merrill Lynch on the stock exchange. Because of this 25% of the world's prisoners are in the US yet we only have 5% of the total world population. EVERYTHING the US gov does is about money.

 

[Dark Geared God]

Prescription drugs officially kill more people a year than heroin and cocaine combined. Thanks Nancy Reagan

Officially I kill more people a year than heroin and cocaine combined. Thanks DGG

 

[Big Smoothy]

I find it interesting, no annoying, that in our culture it is socially acceptable to:
Pop pills for headaches, a cold, acne, sickness, or any other ailment. Hell, we even have pills for "sleepless leg syndromes." Yet soon as someone mentions steroids people respond with negativity, like you are smoking crack or something. So, you mean to tell me you can pop pills for your headache, your depression, your sleepless legs, and ur nonfunctional penis, but it is NOT okay for me to pop a pill to help me heal quicker after my workouts?
God bless it.

We are a pill-popping nation and pill popping culture.

Why?

Because of BIG PHARMA and its lobbyists in Washington.

Heart burn is now a "disease." Take a pill for it. A prescription pill. Apple cider will take care of it.

'Roids are not a problem for those who educate themselves and choose to take them - but oh yeah - big pharma is not in the game to benefit from 'roids.