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Reason for being "natural"?

I consider myself "natural"...based on how i eat, now in terms of supplements..im a fucking roid injecting gorilla
 
Using steroids leads to no advantage, period.
If you compete and you use steroids in a untested show, well, guess what? Most of the other guys are using also. So, why even bother? Its not going to help you win.
 
Say no to Steroids

andyrodgers said:
Using steroids leads to no advantage, period.
If you compete and you use steroids in a untested show, well, guess what? Most of the other guys are using also. So, why even bother? Its not going to help you win.
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Steroids have advantages when used properly. I'm sure you read that quite a number of people use steroids to keep from wasting away. Hospitals prescribe and administer steroids to patients daily.
They help to keep a person from losing muscle mass and help to increase appetite.

I suggest that any young guy that is considering using steroids at say 17 thru 30years of age shouldn't because you will hijack your natural physical potential. If you are going to use them wait until you are 40 years old.

Suppose I wanted to go the powerlifting/strongman route or even better the natural bodybuilders' route. I'd be safe from the guys that use enhancements, no worries about "He's huge, damn those quads are awesome", etc, etc. We all would relatively be within the same range as far as musculature is concern. PL and SM competitions are natural and drug induced.
Which comp pays more money? Can I get endorsements, photo on a magazine, deals, etc, etc. I prefer not to use steroids, but I'm currently on TRT, pretty much the same.

I came across an article that pointed to a fact that I had over looked. Aging doesn't lower testosterone, it's the person lifestyle, eating habits, sleeping habits, sexual activity, mental and emotional health, and the list goes on. I said aloud, "Son of a Bitch"! I have over 20 vials of TEST E that I've been hoarding from the TRT clinic and I'm going to give the stuff away. That article opened my eyes and made me aware of something that I had taken for granted, my God-Given Body.

Don't use steroids they may become a "crutch" and you may find yourself unable to live without them.
 
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bjg said:
the faster you gain the faster you loose ! muscle built with time is the muscle that will last. When you use steroids your gains will last only if:
1-You are already built and have many years of lifting behind you
2- the steroid dosage you used is minimal in a way it will not cause any testosterone shut down of your system
3- you keep the same level of workout after you stop steroids
4- your gains are done slowly, that is it is better to use a minimal dosage of steroids over a longer period than too much steroids over a short period.
for example instead of using for example a normal dosage of 200mg of test a week for 12 weeks, use 100 or even 50 mg a week for 18 weeks this will give you a push and will probably not cause any post cycle problems.
in short if you insist on using steroids let it be used to just give you a small push rather than rely on it.
Any regular cycle dosage like the one used by most juicers will only give you temporary short lived results and Post cycle side effects and problems to worry about. and no matter what you do you will loose all your gains if not more, pct or not.
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Have you experimented or experienced what you wrote? I'm what call you a "Juicer". Six years so far,any advice for me?
 
Reason for being Natural

bjg said:
money is no issue at all for me:)
Number 1 reason: health , physical and mental
Number 2: better results in the long run
Number 3: the challenge and the satisfaction
number 4: i am not competing against anybody.
number 5 : it is the real thing no cheating no BS
number 6 : i don't think i need it
number 7: too lazy to keep following up with blood tests and to worry...bodybuilding for me is a stress reliever not a stress inducing activity,
number 8: the juicers that i know around me could not convince me yet since i am not really impressed by them (ask if they are:)
number 9: i don't like the little side effects such as puffy face and mood swings etc,,,
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Great response.....my experiences and thoughts are here:Steroids vs Natuaral body building
 
Qwai Chang said:
Have you experimented or experienced what you wrote? I'm what call you a "Juicer". Six years so far,any advice for me?
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having been around and having my own gym i have trained many people and followed up on them .....i never encourage steroids..but i have to admit that some are naturally much more gifted than others...some took steroids under my advice since they just insisted on doing so ...but the dosage was really minimal and they had at least 7-8 years of training behind them if not more(so a very solid basis) and the results were very good compared to the ones taking regular cycles ...when i say results it includes: muscle gains and medical issues and problems, mental problems, etc....i must say though that they followed closely the training i designed for them and they were extremely motivated..so i think the training had a lot to do with it + they had a very solid basis and understanding for training + good diet.
i have the chance and the time to experiment a lot in the gym and always come up with some new exercises that i find very effective.
 
R11HNO said:
Great response.....my experiences and thoughts are here:Steroids vs Natuaral body building
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nice article there , wish many would read it.
i am 51 myself and been training since 15......and from all the bodybuilders my age that i knew since a young age and who took steroids and still taking for some..i have to say that honestly i have the best shape and the most strength and health.....some of my students think that i m in my 30's:) ( i am naturally well built and have the tendency to build up muscle quickly).
would steroids make me stronger ??? of course but i don't care since i am not competing with anyone ...and i hate to be dependent on anything..
at my age now i am as strong as ever although strength is not my goal right now. i am enjoying my workouts in my own gym..always experimenting and coming up with new stuff..always learning, so
i say i can beat steroids with brains
 
jasjotbains said:
I prefer being natural, as taking roids might make you look good initially, but as you grow older, the side-effects begin to show up in the most unwanted ways !!
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Like what? enlighten uswith your wisdom HAHAH.
 
jasjotbains said:
I prefer being natural, as taking roids might make you look good initially, but as you grow older, the side-effects begin to show up in the most unwanted ways !!
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You have that knowledge from a now defunct college or teaching facility that has lost its accreditation and credentials.
I only the I lost since being steroids on "The Will To Kill" and I have a .40cal S&W with a CCW.
I appreciate the life GOD has given and steroids have made my life better. The only sides I have on AAS is fucking badsass acne. As long as it don't mess up my handsome face.
 
^^^ of course steroids have their harmful side effects especially the long term effects...many just think that with PCT you can eliminate these effects but all they are doing is reduce or avoid the insignificant side effects or short term ones like: shut down, hair loss, acne, gyno etc.... but they can never avoid the serious problems such as heart problems, vascular problems, cancer, liver, kidney etc....
But many are willing to pay the price..it is their choice
 
jasjotbains said:
Its funny that Wikipedia still believes in the "now defunct college or teaching facility". Anabolic steroid - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

For all those who are currently on roids and believe it gives no drawbacks, Steroids And Their Harmful Side Effects | Muscle & Strength

See you in a few years
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These colleges and facilities still believe in bullshit.
I've been on on steroids for many years, some call it "cruising", I say
"It's my weekly medicine"! And my say about steroids, "Fuck with my shit you get killed!" Lol
 
^^^ this is called luck....a friend of mine has been on heavy steroids with not even PCT and no sides from it....why????he is just lucky .....so you are ...but for how long do you think ?
what happens with one man is not a basis for a rule..you are so far the exception to the rule...what happens with the majority can lead to a medical rule.
 
bjg said:
^^^ this is called luck....a friend of mine has been on heavy steroids with not even PCT and no sides from it....why????he is just lucky .....so you are ...but for how long do you think ?
what happens with one man is not a basis for a rule..you are so far the exception to the rule...what happens with the majority can lead to a medical rule.
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Yeah, I can understand where you are coming from. I don't see it as "Luck or Being Fortunate". I've read about the sides effects of steroids many times and I do it daily to keep my mind focused on the possibles dangers, if any. I have yet to experience any ill effects from my steroid usage. I will continue as long as the product is produced.
I can only say that, "I'm an exception to that rule". I used PCT six years ago, but now I find it to be unnecessary.
 
Qwai Chang said:
I came across an article that pointed to a fact that I had over looked. Aging doesn't lower testosterone, it's the person lifestyle, eating habits, sleeping habits, sexual activity, mental and emotional health, and the list goes on. I said aloud, "Son of a Bitch"! I have over 20 vials of TEST E that I've been hoarding from the TRT clinic and I'm going to give the stuff away. That article opened my eyes and made me aware of something that I had taken for granted, my God-Given Body.
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So you got reminded of that after reading one article?
 
-i'm not even close to maximum natural muscle growth potential
-most people i know that are on the juice that compete have shitty work ethic and i still have better gains/look better than them
-i'm competing next year, if i'm going to do it. i'm going to do it right
-already found supplements out there that make me go apeshit in the gym anyway and put me on edge
-i already look ridiculously huge for 155lb with good measurments. can't imaging another 15-20lb.
-i started bodybuilding for a getaway, a safe haven. and to make my body a slave to my mind, not my mind a slave to my body
-it was only meant for hobby, if opportunities come my way. then, good. still gonna stay natty.
 
jasjotbains said:
Its funny that Wikipedia still believes in the "now defunct college or teaching facility". Anabolic steroid - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

For all those who are currently on roids and believe it gives no drawbacks, Steroids And Their Harmful Side Effects | Muscle & Strength

See you in a few years
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I'm not about worried any drawbacks from steroid usage. Should I let the harmful effects of a gun-toting asshole effect my life? Hell no, buy a gun and get a CCW!
I haven't experienced the "so-called" harmful side effects of steroids maybe because it has only been 7 years, maybe time will tell.

Yep, you'll see my old ass on stage. Look for the old man with "Yin and Yang" symbols on his upper arms.
 
MegaManlet said:
-i'm not even close to maximum natural muscle growth potential
-most people i know that are on the juice that compete have shitty work ethic and i still have better gains/look better than them
-i'm competing next year, if i'm going to do it. i'm going to do it right
-already found supplements out there that make me go apeshit in the gym anyway and put me on edge
-i already look ridiculously huge for 155lb with good measurments. can't imaging another 15-20lb.
-i started bodybuilding for a getaway, a safe haven. and to make my body a slave to my mind, not my mind a slave to my body
-it was only meant for hobby, if opportunities come my way. then, good. still gonna stay natty.
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I can see that you have over twenty years or more of muscle building potential.
Train hard, train strong!
 
MegaManlet said:
-i'm not even close to maximum natural muscle growth potential
-most people i know that are on the juice that compete have shitty work ethic and i still have better gains/look better than them
-i'm competing next year, if i'm going to do it. i'm going to do it right
-already found supplements out there that make me go apeshit in the gym anyway and put me on edge
-i already look ridiculously huge for 155lb with good measurments. can't imaging another 15-20lb.
-i started bodybuilding for a getaway, a safe haven. and to make my body a slave to my mind, not my mind a slave to my body
-it was only meant for hobby, if opportunities come my way. then, good. still gonna stay natty.
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BHAHAHAH right i see 155ers all the time and think wow hes big.

You natty guys are funnier than a gay pride parade.
 
andyrodgers said:
Thanks for sharing such nice information, keep it up
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I choose to be natty because i want to look toned up and not big and bulky. If you look at the latest fashion from milan, it all suited for slender builds. Not big apes. Plus being all big and jerked is just disgusting.
 
SFW said:
I choose to be natty because i want to look toned up and not big and bulky. If you look at the latest fashion from milan, it all suited for slender builds. Not big apes. Plus being all big and jerked is just disgusting.
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So, you want to stay looking as a "skinny fitness model", missing out on your genetic potential for the rest of your life? I didn't get into BB until late, if I had started in my teens or '20's, I don't think I would be posting here. AS far as AAS is concerned with building muscle. It's what you do with it. Don't fuck with it if you have no wherewith all how to use AAS.
The "big and jerky" are the guys that have gone overboard in their development and never had taken the time to get rudimentary and nerve functionality of their muscle groups.
 
I do like the way the "natural bodybuilders" take pride in the fact that they will not use steroids. Considering that "natty guys" don't have to compete against "steroid guys", the playing field is level.
I remember years ago, '70's, someone on the base wanted to put together a "Mr. Natural" bodybuilding contest. Of the twenty guys, the promoter interviewed 16 had admitted to taking steroids which was quite legal at the time and made the contest shutdown. No natural here. I was one of the natural guys and it freaked the steroid users that pound for pound, I just as big and better than they were!
NOT ANYMORE! lol
 
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