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Calif. first to ban gay teen 'conversion' therapy - Yahoo! News


Gov. Jerry Brown has signed legislation that makes California the first state to ban a controversial form of psychotherapy that's aimed at making gay teenagers straight.
Effective Jan. 1, mental health practitioners are prohibited from performing sexual orientation change efforts ? known as reparative or conversion therapy ? for anyone under 18.
The therapies "have no basis in science or medicine and they will now be relegated to the dustbin of quackery," Brown said in a statement.
Mainstream associations representing psychiatrists and psychologists have dismissed reparative therapy in recent decades. A number of mental health associations in California ? including the state's Board of Behavorial Sciences, the California Association of Marriage and Family Therapists and the California Psychological Association ? supported the legislation.
[Related: Court won't hear anti-gay marriage appeal]
But some organizations and ministries continue to use counseling and prayer to try to help conflicted Christians rid themselves of unwanted homosexual inclinations. Gay rights activists have said the damage they inflict on individuals can be deep and lasting and can put youth at higher risk of depression and suicide.
"We're grateful to Gov. Brown for standing with California's children," the Human Rights Campaign said in a statement. "LGBT youth will now be protected from a practice that has not only been debunked as junk science, but has been proven to have drastically negative effects on their well-being."
The group called on other states to follow California's lead on the issue.
Conservative religious groups and some Republicans have argued that banning conversion therapy would hinder parents' right to provide psychological care for children experiencing gender confusion.
The Encino, Calif.-based National Association for Research and Therapy on Homosexuality said in August that the bill was a case of "legislative overreach." They said Democratic state Senator Ted Lieu's claims of harm to children were based on politics, not research.
Lieu, who sponsored the bill, said the law will stop children from being psychologically abused.
Brown signed the bill Saturday amid a busy weekend that saw him act on more than 100 pieces of legislation, including a bill he signed late Sunday that would allow some illegal immigrants to get California drivers licenses.
[Related: Why same-sex marriage seems lost as election issue]
The bill lets the Department of Motor Vehicles issue licenses to illegal immigrants eligible for work permits under a new Obama administration policy. It requires the department to accept as proof of legal residence whatever document the federal government provides to participants in its deferred action program.
The governor also signed into law a bill that will allow parents who don't have their children vaccinated to enroll their children in school. Parents would have to obtain a waiver from a physician or a nurse practitioner saying they received information about the benefits and risks of immunization.
Brown vetoed a bill that could have protected illegal immigrants from deportation if they committed minor infractions. The bill was dubbed "anti-Arizona" legislation, a reference to that state's immigrant identification law.
He also vetoed legislation that would have provided overtime pay, meal breaks and other labor protections to an estimated 200,000 caregivers, nannies and house cleaners. The Democratic governor said they deserve fair pay and safe working conditions but said the bill "raises a number of unanswered questions."
 
lets really start some stuff now. I suppose they were all born that way.
I know I am an old fart. But when I was a kid is was not acceptable to be gay. There was even a term "coming out of the closet".

Now a days there is no Closet! It is OK in the world's eye.

The world's way is not necessarly the right way.
 
lets really start some stuff now. I suppose they were all born that way.
I know I am an old fart. But when I was a kid is was not acceptable to be gay. There was even a term "coming out of the closet".

Now a days there is no Closet! It is OK in the world's eye.

The world's way is not necessarly the right way.

what difference does it matter to you? how does your life change if you neighbor likes to have sex with men or women? does it matter if he likes acorn squash and not eggplant? it only matters to you because your way of thinking tells you it matters about something things and not others.
 
lets really start some stuff now. I suppose they were all born that way.
I know I am an old fart. But when I was a kid is was not acceptable to be gay. There was even a term "coming out of the closet".

Now a days there is no Closet! It is OK in the world's eye.

The world's way is not necessarly the right way.


There is no right way and wrong way.
 
I think its stupid that they would ban this, I mean it should be our choice. It's just more control over what we can do, but hey it's california what can you expect. But idgaf what gay people do as long as it's not affecting me.
 
I don't agree with banning it. I think it's bullshit and snake oil. It's like an old fashioned school teacher trying to force a left handed kid to write with his right hand. But, if someone wants to give it a try, I don't see why the govt should step in and prohibit it. That's govt overstepping its boundaries. Sounds more like something we'd hear about in England or France than the USA.
 
Maybe if they could come up with something similar to anabuse for anal sex. Maybe some type of pill that makes the anus draw up and become delicate so that penetration becomes excruciatingly painful.
 
lol, comparing two dudes raping each others buttholes OR would you rather eat eggplant or acorn squash? thats your rational/relevant comparison, lol.
 
A parent rights to get therapy for their children isn't any business of the state, regardless of the reason...
 
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yes because so many kids have been convinced they aren't gay by therapy. NOT.

do you think 2 lesbians should have the right to try and counsel their straight child into being gay?

fucktarded parenting shouldn't be a protected right.
 
A parent rights to get therapy for their children isn't any business of the state, regardless of the reason...


It is not therapy. An alarming number of young people were committing suicide after being put through those sick and ludicrous programs. Others were being permanently psychologically scarred for the rest of their life. If you are going to call those programs therapy, then you have to call ass raping children therapy, because they produce the same kinds of results.

Actually, when I think about it that way, it sheds some light on the rampant sexual child abuse inside christian communities. If they don't psychically fuck children, they will damn sure psychologically fuck them.

You have a complete failure to empathize with other human beings. I know you are dumb as a rock, but that doesn't fully explain the majority of your posts. You are intellectually and emotionally stunted. Were you repeatedly ass raped by a family member?
 
It is not therapy. An alarming number of young people were committing suicide after being put through those sick and ludicrous programs. Others were being permanently psychologically scarred for the rest of their life. If you are going to call those programs therapy, then you have to call ass raping children therapy, because they produce the same kinds of results.

Actually, when I think about it that way, it sheds some light on the rampant sexual child abuse inside christian communities. If they don't psychically fuck children, they will damn sure psychologically fuck them.

You have a complete failure to empathize with other human beings. I know you are dumb as a rock, but that doesn't fully explain the majority of your posts. You are intellectually and emotionally stunted. Were you repeatedly ass raped by a family member?

What a BS rant. All jimmyusa said was, "A parent rights to get therapy for their children isn't any business of the state, regardless of the reason..." Do you have the proof that the therapy mentioned actually leads the results you stated, or are you simply talking out your ass?

jimmyusa has a point. Where do were set the line with how much the government can tell us to do? If that's illegal, should we also have a government mandate about what you can feed your child? How about mandatory therapy for goth/emo kids?

It's amazing how anti-government your are...right up until it's something you want. Then all of a sudden it's perfectly okay. How very liberal of you.
 
The state and gov't should not able to control us this way. It has nothing to with what was just banned. The facts are they are slowly taking away our rights. To the point that it is becoming soo common that when they take away some thing of importance like gun rights and ect we will become more acceptable to this. This therapy is not right at all, but it is by far worse taking away our rights. I think it should be illegal for child beauty pageants, but would it be right to make it illegal off of my opinion?
 
oh shit! Counseling and therapy should not include electric shock, the article didn't state that was part of "conversion therapy" and I certainly didn't know it was. That should be illegal.
 
electric shock to a minor's genitals actually. or showing them porn while administering shock to their privates. pretty sick stuff.
 
What a BS rant. All jimmyusa said was, "A parent rights to get therapy for their children isn't any business of the state, regardless of the reason..." Do you have the proof that the therapy mentioned actually leads the results you stated, or are you simply talking out your ass?

jimmyusa has a point. Where do were set the line with how much the government can tell us to do? If that's illegal, should we also have a government mandate about what you can feed your child? How about mandatory therapy for goth/emo kids?

It's amazing how anti-government your are...right up until it's something you want. Then all of a sudden it's perfectly okay. How very liberal of you.

I don't care if it is part of the liberal ideology, conservative ideology, or the peoples of upper butt crack ideology. But, as usual, because it isn't hardline conservative, you go off on a "bla bla bla dirty liberal" rant. I would be ashamed to be part of any American mainstream ideology.

No, I will not waste time linking facts showing that attempts at switching a person's sexual orientation is dangerous. There is so much information out there regarding this that if you don't already know, then you are either lazy or in denial because it doesn't support the beliefs you already have. I have had the same fucked up argument with you for years about gays, and you are too hard set in your beliefs to even admit that sexual orientation isn't a choice.

If I sound like an asshole, it is because I am saddened by the complete lack of human compassion and empathy. What would have been the outcome for you had your parents been part of the Namble Fudgeparker's Church where you were sent off to boot camp to be taught that taking a dick in the ass is your only way to spiritual salvation and God's love?

I don't know anything else to say that matters. If you can't empathize with people, then you aren't a complete person. I guess it makes you part sociopath, part person.
 
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Truth Wins Out - Breaking News: Major

NEW YORK ?
Truth Wins Out (TWO) released an exclusive video statement today from two former clients of ?ex-gay? life coach Alan Downing. The clients, Ben Unger and Chaim Levin, alleged that during individual therapy sessions, Downing (pictured) made them undress in front of a mirror and touch their bodies while the significantly older therapist watched. Unger and Levin call the sessions a ?psychological striptease? and believe they were harmed by what they consider unprofessional behavior and sexual misconduct. Downing, who admits he is still attracted to men, is a major player in the ?ex-gay? industry and a practitioner of so-called ?reparative therapy?. He is the lead therapist for Jews Offering New Alternatives to Homosexuality (JONAH) and is listed on the People Can Change website as a ?Senior Trainer? for Journey into Manhood, which is a controversial ?ex-gay? backwoods retreat designed to supposedly make gay men more masculine.
"These dysfunctional, unscientific programs are rife with sexual impropriety and need to be shut down," said Truth Wins Out's Executive Director Wayne Besen. "Too often, repressed 'ex-gay'quacks pretend they are trying to get into your head when they are really trying to get into your pants. They call what they do reparative therapy, but it's more like re-perv-ative therapy."

"He was encouraging me, 'it's okay Ben, you can take your shirt off'-here was a man that was much older than me, and I was around 20," said Ben Unger, a former client of Alan Downing. "At that point, I was just staring at a mirror with my shirt off and he was right behind me staring at the mirror with me at my body. Then telling me to look at my body and feel my body. It was weird."

"While I was standing there without my clothes on, he asked me to touch my genitals," says former Downing client Chaim Levin. "Once again, I communicated that I was not comfortable with it. And he was like, you know, 'just feel yourself. Just feel it for a second. So, you can grasp your masculinity physically.' ''
"If you believe having a closeted gay therapist undressing clients makes one straight, than you'll believe that playing doctor makes one a brain surgeon," said TWO's Besen. "The concept is both outrageous and ridiculous and these sick, exploitative practices should be abandoned immediately."
 
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LW what is the difference between then and allowing your child to be brought up in a home where there parents are on drugs and dealing drugs? Because you sided with the parent with 16 kids on how her baby daddy was a drug dealer.

I think this is horrible parenting and any parents that would force there kids to this do not truly love their kids, but the word teen throws it off or what about willfully? If a teen is 16 years old and has homosexual desires but would technically be considered bi-sexual because they also find the female a turn on, but does not want to be bi-sexual. He only wants to be attracted to females and feels that it might have came from an early child hood encounter when he was younger. Now this is a teen at 16 who wants conversion therapy. His parents are not forcing him, should he be aloud to seek conversion therapy. Now that disgusting inhuman therapy that LW found is out of the question, but should this teen be able to sit down and discuss conversion with a licensed therapist about his desires and needs.

Making any form of therapy illegal is unjust, making ways of practicing the therapy illegal is fine.

Also would it be different if a straight girl went the therapy to talk to a counselor because she wanted to be gay, but was not sexually attracted to girls. But her friend was gay and she wanted to be partners with her friend, but could not get that physical attraction that she has with men. Would it be ok for her to talk to a therapist to seek out being gay to better her relationship with her friend because she wants to be her partner, but does not have that strong sexual attraction like she has with men?
 
Most the time I think psychology is a bunch of horse shit, crack pipe, pseudo-science. It's such a shot in the dark because each individual is so unique and brings such different personal experiences that trying to build a science out of it is a study in the impossible.

Having said that I've seen instances when therapy helps so maybe my previous statement is bunk. I will say this though. when dealing with kids who are very much trying to determine their identity and can easily be confused on their sexuality they deserve an opportunity to have someone to talk to. I don't agree with the practices being used stated in the testimonials, those are bunk. I also think that the LBGT community is going to far in trying to limit what counselors can say. There are gay kids out there that may need that voice of acceptance, but there are also straight kids who are questioning things that need a voice of reason as well. Someone telling a straight kid with questions "you're gay, and that's ok" (cue rainbows, fairies, and chocolate covered strawberries) is doing just as much damage.
 
LW what is the difference between then and allowing your child to be brought up in a home where there parents are on drugs and dealing drugs? Because you sided with the parent with 16 kids on how her baby daddy was a drug dealer.

I think this is horrible parenting and any parents that would force there kids to this do not truly love their kids, but the word teen throws it off or what about willfully? If a teen is 16 years old and has homosexual desires but would technically be considered bi-sexual because they also find the female a turn on, but does not want to be bi-sexual. He only wants to be attracted to females and feels that it might have came from an early child hood encounter when he was younger. Now this is a teen at 16 who wants conversion therapy. His parents are not forcing him, should he be aloud to seek conversion therapy. Now that disgusting inhuman therapy that LW found is out of the question, but should this teen be able to sit down and discuss conversion with a licensed therapist about his desires and needs.

Making any form of therapy illegal is unjust, making ways of practicing the therapy illegal is fine.

Also would it be different if a straight girl went the therapy to talk to a counselor because she wanted to be gay, but was not sexually attracted to girls. But her friend was gay and she wanted to be partners with her friend, but could not get that physical attraction that she has with men. Would it be ok for her to talk to a therapist to seek out being gay to better her relationship with her friend because she wants to be her partner, but does not have that strong sexual attraction like she has with men?

i was being facetious about all the bs that i want government to control everything. you are very for them stomping out things YOU don't like. the same exact people who think therapy to try and steer a child toward heterosexuality is ok would be averse to trying to use therapy to steer them the other way. so make up your mind, is it the parent's choice you want to protect or your own?


and no i'm not for drug dealers raising kids in drug dealing homes. i'm just for exposing people who prattle on about wanting the government to butt out not REALLY wanting that.
 
agree ^^^ people say they are born this way, but what if a kid was abused or even exposed to porn at an early age (my case) which is why I feel like i have to look at it often, but i dont care i like jerking off every day helps me sleep.

But what if they were exposed and feel this is not who they are, they they feel they are straight with gay thoughts in there head from shit that may have happened to them. Don't they have a right to have this therapy as long as it is ethical and no fucked up electric shock shit.
 
kids should have a right to discover who they are in an environment of safety love and support. not getting sent to perverts to have their genitals shocked or being made to jerk off or undress in front of a therapist. even adults that went there of their own volition describe it as damaging and futile.
 
This debate is ridiculous. Children under the age of 18 don't have the same rights adults have.

/end of thread
 
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kids should have a right to discover who they are in an environment of safety love and support. .

I agree that would be the ideal. care to share how to pass laws to enforce that?
 
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