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6 week insulin run

Mike - I train exclusively early AM, eating oats-egg white meal approx 2 hrs pre WO.

Would this still work in with your protocol?

Also I'm guessing shake 2 is nearly at end of workout, followed by shake 3 75min later when I would normally eat a meal?
 
10ius after legs this morning. Still no sides, but more carb hungry today.

I've added 2kg over the last 2 weeks of use. Strength and recovery increases very noticeable - also some bloat later in the day.
 
Mike, since most of us use HGH alongside slin, how would you go about incorporating that into your protocol? Goal is lean mass.


I believe many people over-think this. When one fully realizes how GH builds muscle tissue and how the hormone resposnible for this growth functions in the body, it becomes relatively simple. As you know, the GH molecule itself does not result in any growth. It is the accompanying increase in IGF-1 that is resposnible for the growth we see when using GH. When an injection of GH is administered, IGF-1 levels start going up almost right away and will peak after a few hours. Unlike GH itself, once IGF-1 levels have peaked, they remain there for a couple of days before they finally start declining. Since levels are maintained at a fairly steady level for such a long period of time, when we administer it is MUCH less important than how MUCH we administer, when it comes to growth (fat loss is a different story).

In this way, it is very much like an esterfied testosterone...once you jnject test enth, it will remain in the system for a few days before levels start to decline. For this reason, it doesn't matter of we inject test enth right before a workout, right after a workout, or the day after/before a workout...as the test will still be at near equal levels the entire time. In the same way, if we inject GH the day before a wrkout, 10 hours before a workout, or 2 hours before a workout, it doesn't really matter in terms of growth, as IGF-1 levels will remain elevated throughout the entire period. It is important that we don't let allow much time to pass between injects...or levels will flucuate to wildly, but a 3-4X per week injection schedule, injected on an average of EOD, is completely fine. There is no meaningful advantage gained by injecting GH right before or right after a workout, assuming the person is maintaining a injection frequency of at least 3-4X per week, as this will maintain your IGF-1 at fairly consistent levels all week long, with only very minor flucuations.

All this stuff about perfectly timing GH injections (for mass gain) is a bit ridiculous, as it doesn't take into consideration the mechanims by which GH causes growth. Now, like I said previously, when using GH for fat loss, the entire picture changes dramatically.
 
Mike - I train exclusively early AM, eating oats-egg white meal approx 2 hrs pre WO.

Would this still work in with your protocol?

Also I'm guessing shake 2 is nearly at end of workout, followed by shake 3 75min later when I would normally eat a meal?

If you are eating Meal #1 two hours prior to training...you are fine to use this program as is. However, if your training is only about 75 minutes or less per session, you can cut down on the amount of time betwen shakes to about 60 minutes....and then a couple hours after your workout is over, you will have already coinsumed all 3 shakes a while ago and will be able to have your next whole food meal. This is more than fine for maintaining blood sugar with 15 IU Humulin R.
 
Humulin R is fast-acting as humalog? These are just differing brand names I'm guessing.
 
Humulin R is fast-acting as humalog? These are just differing brand names I'm guessing.

No. Humalog has an active life of 2-4 hours and humulin -r is about 4-8 hours (I think).
 
I believe many people over-think this. When one fully realizes how GH builds muscle tissue and how the hormone resposnible for this growth functions in the body, it becomes relatively simple. As you know, the GH molecule itself does not result in any growth. It is the accompanying increase in IGF-1 that is resposnible for the growth we see when using GH. When an injection of GH is administered, IGF-1 levels start going up almost right away and will peak after a few hours. Unlike GH itself, once IGF-1 levels have peaked, they remain there for a couple of days before they finally start declining. Since levels are maintained at a fairly steady level for such a long period of time, when we administer it is MUCH less important than how MUCH we administer, when it comes to growth (fat loss is a different story).

In this way, it is very much like an esterfied testosterone...once you jnject test enth, it will remain in the system for a few days before levels start to decline. For this reason, it doesn't matter of we inject test enth right before a workout, right after a workout, or the day after/before a workout...as the test will still be at near equal levels the entire time. In the same way, if we inject GH the day before a wrkout, 10 hours before a workout, or 2 hours before a workout, it doesn't really matter in terms of growth, as IGF-1 levels will remain elevated throughout the entire period. It is important that we don't let allow much time to pass between injects...or levels will flucuate to wildly, but a 3-4X per week injection schedule, injected on an average of EOD, is completely fine. There is no meaningful advantage gained by injecting GH right before or right after a workout, assuming the person is maintaining a injection frequency of at least 3-4X per week, as this will maintain your IGF-1 at fairly consistent levels all week long, with only very minor flucuations.

All this stuff about perfectly timing GH injections (for mass gain) is a bit ridiculous, as it doesn't take into consideration the mechanims by which GH causes growth. Now, like I said previously, when using GH for fat loss, the entire picture changes dramatically.

FINALLY, the answer I've been looking for, for years. thanks!
 
He doesn't run the gearz. ^^
 
No. Humalog has an active life of 2-4 hours and humulin -r is about 4-8 hours (I think).

Past the 7th hour, there is little to no worry of problems with Humulin R. It's usually more like a 5 hour window and if you time your meals around hour 4-5, you're golden for the rest of its active live. I have never gone hypo at around 7g dextrose per iu, but I also use glutamine. The one time I did go hypo using humulin R, I had not eaten for nearly two hours after the first peak so I deserved that scare. It's important to always keep some quick carbs on you like juice or a can of soda.
 
Well I'm weighing in at 115.3kg this morning - a little bloated but not surprised with the rice I hammered yesterday. That's 3kg in just over 2 weeks.

On thur in going to try 3iu preWO, followed by the 10iu shot postWO.
 
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hey capt, i may of missed it, but what else you running with the slin?
 
High test low tren
 
Negged for no tren

:coffee:
 
Humulin R is fast-acting as humalog? These are just differing brand names I'm guessing.

No...Humulin R is regular human insulin, while humalog is a fast-acting insulin. What the other guys above said about humulin and its active life, they are correct.
 
if you use insulin, you can generally lower your AAS dose significantly and still make substantial gains (as a first-time user) I would imagine... i would think this would be much safer (assuming the slin is done flawlessly), and much better for promoting longevity..


thoughts?
 
if you use insulin, you can generally lower your AAS dose significantly and still make substantial gains (as a first-time user) I would imagine... i would think this would be much safer (assuming the slin is done flawlessly), and much better for promoting longevity..


thoughts?

A lot of Aussies bridge cycles with slin because gear is expensive and hard to come by. Slin is not - it's probably used more here than in the US.
 
if you use insulin, you can generally lower your AAS dose significantly and still make substantial gains (as a first-time user) I would imagine... i would think this would be much safer (assuming the slin is done flawlessly), and much better for promoting longevity..


thoughts?

Absolutely yes IMO. Slin is much nicer on your health than most AAS are when used reasonably.
 
Absolutely yes IMO. Slin is much nicer on your health than most AAS are when used reasonably.


this is what i figured.. definitely going to be running it in my cruises and blasts from now on, not more than 12 week blasts at a time.. less than 1g gear (don't want to get too big and put stress on my heart)


this is my plan

cruise 4 weeks:
testE trenE 100/100 10iu humalog preworkouts (my ifbb pro trainer is doing my diet and gave me an excellent protocol + i have a training partner and 4 room mates who know my circumstances)

blast 12 weeks - 1st 4 week period

testE trenE 125/500 (no humalog) + dbol 25mg/day

blast 12 weeks - 2nd 4 week period

testE trenE 125/600 (10iu humalog preworkout)

blast 12 weeks - 3rd 4 week period

testE trenE 125/700 (no humalog) + 25mg dbol/day

cruise 4 weeks:
testE trenE 100/100 10iu humalog preworkouts



how does this look assuming i keep tabs on my fasted blood glucose to ensure im not becoming a diabetic? my end goal is to become ~205-210 at 5-6% bodyfat, and running slin in conjunction with gear will save me a ton of money/scar tissue buildup/time/effort/health problems from running long/heavy cycles
 
I think it looks like a very good plan. Looks like you've done your homework and prepared. If it were me, I'd add hgh when using slin and inject 10iu all post workout and none on off days
 
I think it looks like a very good plan. Looks like you've done your homework and prepared. If it were me, I'd add hgh when using slin and inject 10iu all post workout and none on off days



i would consider it if i had a good source.. too much fake shit going around :coffee:


what am i going to do with all this gear now :/ i have 60 vials of tren E, 20 test E, 11 deca, tons of prop etc and ace



ugh.. good thing this shit has a shelf life
 
just for education purposes I'm curious sd why you want to do pre wo as opposed to post wo for humalog
 
I've been considering a nearly identical protocol to you SD but with the 10iu humalog post workout. Can someone outline the difference in results and reasoning for pre wo vs. post wo
 
just for education purposes I'm curious sd why you want to do pre wo as opposed to post wo for humalog

Yes me too - post it up.

You could also substitute IGF for HGH
 
it's because my IFBB coach told me to


mike arnold here says that pre is better anyhow :daydream:


high insulin during your workout = no catabolism, more anabolism...

greater pumps/strength/endurance etc..
 
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