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Reason for being "natural"?

broken down old roid abuser
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great that you posted pictures of frank zane and steve reeves...why don't you ask frank zane's opinion on AAS?????? and why don't you contact Dr. Jean pierre de mondenard and argue with him about AAS???? let me know what he says
and by the way i have seen women much older than those freaks you posted looking better and had never taken any steroids. the ones you posted are not even women. that miss olympia crap should be completely banned it is ridiculous.
and XYZ instead of messaging me telling me that i am a liar...i challenged you and told you that i can send you some of my articles if are interested and you did not reply...
 
Your bias is very irritating to say the least...

Save the scaremongering and misinformation for yourself...

And last but not least, if you look so fcking good why don't you post pictures of yourself/your amazing father/all the other ridiculous people who happen to look better than steroid users.
 
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^^^ if you don't like what i have to say go to the steroid user section this is a natural bodybuilding section.
too bad that some of you have to resort to steroids because of some psychological issues.......
 
bjg said:
great that you posted pictures of frank zane and steve reeves...why don't you ask frank zane's opinion on AAS?????? and why don't you contact Dr. Jean pierre de mondenard and argue with him about AAS???? let me know what he says
and by the way i have seen women much older than those freaks you posted looking better and had never taken any steroids. the ones you posted are not even women. that miss olympia crap should be completely banned it is ridiculous.
and XYZ instead of messaging me telling me that i am a liar...i challenged you and told you that i can send you some of my articles if are interested and you did not reply...
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who cares what zanes opinion is...he used them....a lot....won os....he still looks awesome and he is old...where are these amazing women that look better than these 50 plus year old mrs olympias
 
Tuco said:
For those who are natural, what's your reason to choose being natural?
Legality?
Price?
Availability?
Morals?
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It's too much to keep track of. I'd never keep it all straight. lol

Or does using AAS increase a person's organizational powers? :thinking:
 
gettinthere said:
This is my two cents.............. follow the links for part two...........
The Truth About Steroids Part 1 - YouTube
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my references are from THE expert on sports medicine and steroids author of 40 books on the subject Dr.de mondenard and you show me some retard punk with a ridiculous tan and an earing giving his opinion. for god's sake wake up. sure there are no long term studies on humans about steroids because it is dangerous to do one. but there are medical facts that do not need any study. There are many facts in life that do not need any study to be proven. however studies on animals are conclusive ranging from heart defects, liver cysts and genetic damages. and EVEN if steroids were not proven to be dangerous, it is still really stupid to use them because it is not proven that it is safe (that is even if) + it is simply CHEATING and makes you look ugly, ugly skin, ugly hair, ugly face, especially for women.
and by the away killerof saints, these are not women as for you to find 50 years old women looking better ....it is very simple it is all around you, and i bet your mother looks better than these so called women. your sense of beauty is really distorted. if i was to to choose to have a body like steve reeves or a body like jay cutler i would never hesitate to chose steve reeves and for the record, i think you can achieve a body like steve reeves WITHOUT steroids , it takes time , so what! who is chasing you?....as for me to look like jay cutler i would not do it even if it was a gift from god, for me it is pure deformity
 
studies in the medical field are done for many reasons and most of you here interpret them the way you want. that is why the internet is very misleading. i am in the medical field myself. studies can be done to try to understand a medical phenomenon that is not biologically or medically explained yet so there is nothing else to do but a study or a statistical analysis , for example long time ago they said that babies should sleep on their stomachs, then later they said that it could cause death for some unknown reason so they should sleep on their back etc.... they relied on observation and studies because they did not know any better. But studies in the case of steroids are done for a different reason. The facts about the effect of steroids is already there and the biological and medical facts and processes are already well established and understood, studies come here only to check the probability or the extent of which these facts can be verified. There are many variables here because each body is different and is affected differently......but this does not eliminate the biological and medical FACT. it is not a good example but sort of like knowing that if one jumps from 5 stories he can die because the speed at which he hits the ground is so and so. Does this need a study??? no because the scientific facts and data are there. studying it may show that some will not die...but are you willing to jump????
 
there are studies proving positive effects in 84 year old women....aids patients...burn victims....still wainting for proof of anything from you
 
^^^ of course aids and burn victims benefit from steroids...do you qualify? this kind of debate can go on forever and no matter what proof i give you you will deny it...it is not the subject of this thread, if you want proofs i mentioned the name of the most qualified person to answer your questions, you can contact him or watch any of his documentary or buy one of his books + Steroids and their effects are so well studied in the medical field that you really do not need the best expert , any endocrinologist will give you the answers and you probably won't like them.
What i am saying is that millions have built their physiques without steroids...so why take the risk? most people do for the wrong reasons...the problem here lies in the basic question: Why bodybuilding what are the real reasons......,.steroids for bodybuilders is like cocaine or heroin for depressed people ...depressed or mental people should go to the psychiatrist and bodybuilders who found the answer in steroids for the wrong reasons should do the same
 
KILLEROFSAINTS said:
we cant argue with your proof...you haven't posted any
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Proof of what?

That AAS are dangerous? Who cares? People drink and smoke and there are well known dangers associated with those activities.

Proof of the dangers of abuse of AAS? There's been more than one person with kidney issues related to high blood pressure left unchecked, yes?

Regardless, why are you even IN this thread? You're a 20%+ bf guy who probably shouldn't even be near AAS or do I have that wrong?
 
KILLEROFSAINTS said:
rekon in the thread cause I am a douchebag always on the lookout for something to COMPLAIN about
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Fixed.

If it's not that someone hasn't posted pics in their journal it's something else. lol
 
one look at the guys rep shows I aint the only one that disagrees...but hey 50 year old grown up...carry some crazy grudge for years while spinning your wheels going no where ...seems to have worked just awesome for you....wish you well and great health
 
funny thing is you liked a lot of the post proving my point...guess you in a bad mood now...whatever...like it matters...I mean you are an old guy who doesn't work out on a bbing forum....clearly free time is plentiful
 
bjg said:
if you stay within therapeutic limits then no need for pct, you will see results especially if you are clean ...you will not see big results but you will see results that will motivate you. The idea is not to overload your system with testosterone causing your testicles to shut down and/or start having estrogen problems. you have to just give yourself a small boost.
primobolan if you can find some real ones not fake are your best choice, my friend has been using them for years taking minimal dosages for few weeks twice a year and primo does not need pct. people think that primo is for cutting , in fact all steroids will make you gain muscle, and primo will make you gain muscle without water retention which makes you feel you are cutting. with some other steroids it is mostly water. the problem with primo is that it is expensive. I am not sure about test but probably if taken with dosages as prescribed by a doctor does not need pct. A good way of being on the safe side is to check the normal cycle dosage and divide it by 4. lets say 200mg weekly is used in a cycle normally then take 50 mg weekly.
Do not fool yourself, any higher dosages will mess you up and you don't want that. addiction to steroids will not only hurt you physically but will also kill your self confidence and your drive
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wow...recommends under hrt
 
KILLEROFSAINTS said:
one look at the guys rep shows I aint the only one that disagrees...but hey 50 year old grown up...carry some crazy grudge for years while spinning your wheels going no where ...seems to have worked just awesome for you....wish you well and great health
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What grudge? You've often mentioned a grudge, but for the life of me I don't see what it could be.

Jealous of bad tattoos and an equally non-Mr. Olympia or even Mr. Podunk physique?

KILLEROFSAINTS said:
funny thing is you liked a lot of the post proving my point...guess you in a bad mood now...whatever...like it matters...I mean you are an old guy who doesn't work out on a bbing forum....clearly free time is plentiful
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I clicked Like for the pics.

And I doubt you have a worthwhile point. lol Your mantra: "Hey, I'm right. You're wrong. Where are your pics?"

Knock yourself out.
 
I don't wanna argue with you it will last forever...you are awesome....ripped huge and strong...biggest smartest brain in the world...cool tat2s...wish I had matching ones...wish I could pull the ladies you pull...I forget anything? you are the almighty curt james...clearly you are the all knowing bbing god
 
bjg said:
donkey you have 3 years of research i have more than 35 years of research (your parents did not yet meet) and after 35 years of research i realized that AAS is not a good choice. So you shut the fuck up with all the other idiots who support you because the last thing you want to do is take advice from a juicer because if he knows anything he would not advise natural people to take juice. idiots like you still think and insist that steroids are safe at the dosage taken in a cycle, idiots like you ONLY look at articles who justify their stupidities and ignore real scientific evidence.
And yes if bonesaw insists on doing gear a minimal dose would give him a small push.
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clearly this dude is not combative
 
Killerofsaints: for me i do not wish to argue i am just giving my opinion, you don't have to agree, but as for me iam very convinced of the following points:
1- steroids are dangerous and are not needed for bodybuilding
2- steroids ruined the sport of bodybuilding and any other sport because it is neither ethical nor healthy and it is cheating yourself.
3-i believe that with hard work and dedication one can achieve a better physique than with steroids but it takes time..not bigger but nicer, healthier, and lasts much longer.
4-steroids should only be taken for medical reasons
5- this is for pros only: if one insists on taking them he should be under tight medical supervision and under medical advice
 
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