You are smart enough to know flooding the market with free contraceptives would do very little. People still wouldn't use em. I mean hell. Condoms are already made free all over the place
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You are smart enough to know flooding the market with free contraceptives would do very little. People still wouldn't use em. I mean hell. Condoms are already made free all over the place
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I'd still try, and other forms like the pill are much more effective.
98% seems pretty effective to me. Like I said, condoms are always either very cheap or even free. Just like you said, I'd try. We have, people choose not to use them. Therefore they chose to get pregnant, or accept the risk of becoming pregnant when they don't want to be.
Condom Effectiveness
In one year, only two of every 100 couples who use condoms consistently and correctly will experience an unintended pregnancy?two pregnancies arising from an estimated 8,300 acts of sexual intercourse, for a 0.02 percent per-condom pregnancy rate.[3]
In one year with perfect use (meaning couples use condoms consistently and correctly at every act of sex), 98 percent of women relying on male condoms will remain pregnancy free. With typical use, 85 percent relying on male condoms will remain pregnancy free.[3]
In one year with perfect use, 95 percent of women relying on the female condom will remain pregnancy free. With typical use, 79 percent relying on female condoms will remain pregnancy free.[3]
By comparison, only 15 percent of women using no method of contraception in a year will remain pregnancy free.[3]
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You misunderstood me, I meant its much easier and more practical to get a shot every 3 months, or to take a pill every morning.
How do you suggest we force women to carry babies? Should we pay to keep them locked up in jail?
I'm sorry, have I ever suggested that women should be forced to carry babies? Have I ever said anything about overturning roe vs. wade and banning abortion?
No, what i've been saying this entire time is that people who bitch about pro-lifers should understand what roe vs wade really says. and it is that the government has the right and obligation to protect fetuses as soon as they become viable.
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Ok, I guess I misunderstood your position.
Explain "protect fetuses as soon as they become viable." What does that entail?
It means we have the right and obligation to restrict abortion once the child becomes viable outside of the womb. As of right now it is commonly accepted that a premature child can live outside the womb at 24 weeks gestation. with some living as young as 21 weeks.
As much as it sucks I am realistic enough to know that while abortion is a horrendous thing, making it completely illegal is worse to our society now than making it legal with restrictions. I'm not so radical that I believe we shouldn't make restrictions without taking into account the safety of the mother. or in instances of rape/incest.
All this said I am a Christian and believe that all human life is sacred most especially innocent children. abortion is a terrible thing and should be limited to as few instances as possible, and yes, much of my charitable donations goes towards family services to that end.
Blanket statements against Christians on this issue is bullshit, closed minded, bigotry. exactly the thing they accuse Christians of being. the fact they don't see their own hypocrisy is ludicrous.
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I don't argue with these Mutards anymore Bio. Pro-lifers are "self-rightous" because they hold mutards responsable for going, getting prego, and saying fuck it lets just kill it and not deal with it LOL. Because it's all about "me" and my black boyfriend shooting me full of cum because it feels good and I was drunk. Damn right, you got knocked up, its on you. You can justify it all you want, RLMAO heh heh.
That sounds more reasonable. Usually the decision is made well before this point.
If it makes any difference to opinions in general, women don't chose abortion as a convenient contraception method. It's a fkg appalling thing to have to go through.
You don't believe in abortion so don't get one. I don't believe in restricting that option to someone else. Talk about high and mighty. Quit being a putz.
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I personally know about 9 families who adopted. I was friends with the adopted children of 7 of those. Three of my college professors adopted children. One of my computer science professors adopted two Chinese baby girls. I was close friends with a dude who was adopted by two professors from Springhill. My cousin is fostering a young boy who was taken out of his home after the father broke the kid's arm. He was only 2 years old. The father is an abusive drunk with a criminal record a mile long. My cousin is Christian, but pro-choice. I guess blame that on being from Connecticut.
I am not going to be a douchebag and say something stupid like: "everyone I know who adopts children are pro-choice, therefor only pro-choice couples adopt". However, I will say that the people who are the most vocal about their beliefs about abortion are the ones who have done the least to help the problem. It is so selfish, and you should be ashamed.
If you bitch about entitlement spending to take care of the healthcare needs of low income children, then shut the fuck up about abortion. If you haven't given a home to a child who desperately needs one, then shut the fuck about about abortion. If you have adopted a child, then you can say whatever the fuck you want, because you have earned that right by taking ownership and responsibility of a problem rather than just talking out of your ass.
Not one fucking sanctimonious pro-lifer on this board has adopted a child. You bunch of opinionated egotistical cock suckers.
you are way the fuck out of line here. For every story you have I can match you one for one. So fuck off. Im unmarried, so i'm not making babies, and i'm not adopting. I have every intention of adoption over having my own kids, but i'm smart enough to get married first.
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I'll own up to that. I was in a dickhead mood all day yesterday and was out of line for being rude and obnoxious. But, what I said is true.
The anger comes from the insinuation that people who are pro-choice are that way because they do not want to be responsible. In reality, it is the opposite. People are trying to solve a problem. The problem is that children are brought into the would without a supportive family to nurture and prepare them for life. Those children grow up fucked up and end up having fucked up children of their own who then have fucked up children, and on, and so on.
The numbers reported for physical, sexual, and emotional abuse by children in the foster care system is horrific. Is is disgusting. I remember seeing numbers reporting that kids in foster care homes are 4 times more likely to be molested. Kids in group homes were around 30 times more likely to have been molested. New research in cognitive neuroscience has shown physiological damage to children growing up without a family. "NOT psychological!" Physiological trauma leads to chronic medical problems for those kids. They grow up to be crack whores and criminals.
That is fucked up. There are only two solutions available at this time: Adopt the unwanted children, are prevent their existence. Abortion is a terrible solution. It is terrible that it even has to be done. But, it is far better than doing nothing. If you aren't adopting, and you are pro-life, then you are perpetuating a problem that will exist forever.
To be pro-choice, and not adopt, basically puts a person into a category of epic immorality. It contributes to the suffering of countless generations of people. It contributes to the downfall of the nation. It contributes the raising healthcare cost. It contributes to the crime rate. It contributes to higher taxes. It contributes to child sex slavery. It contributes to drug addiction. Almost every major societal problem we have is made worse when children aren't taken care of. On top of it, the children suffer far more than society will.
Adopt them, love them, and take care of them, or prevent them from being. Anything else is irresponsible.
The anger comes from the insinuation that people who are pro-choice are that way because they do not want to be responsible. In reality, it is the opposite. People are trying to solve a problem. The problem is that children are brought into the would without a supportive family to nurture and prepare them for life. Those children grow up fucked up and end up having fucked up children of their own who then have fucked up children, and on, and so on.
The numbers reported for physical, sexual, and emotional abuse by children in the foster care system is horrific. Is is disgusting. I remember seeing numbers reporting that kids in foster care homes are 4 times more likely to be molested. Kids in group homes were around 30 times more likely to have been molested. New research in cognitive neuroscience has shown physiological damage to children growing up without a family. "NOT psychological!" Physiological trauma leads to chronic medical problems for those kids. They grow up to be crack whores and criminals.
That is fucked up. There are only two solutions available at this time: Adopt the unwanted children, are prevent their existence. Abortion is a terrible solution. It is terrible that it even has to be done. But, it is far better than doing nothing. If you aren't adopting, and you are pro-life, then you are perpetuating a problem that will exist forever.
To be pro-choice, and not adopt, basically puts a person into a category of epic immorality. It contributes to the suffering of countless generations of people. It contributes to the downfall of the nation. It contributes the raising healthcare cost. It contributes to the crime rate. It contributes to higher taxes. It contributes to child sex slavery. It contributes to drug addiction. Almost every major societal problem we have is made worse when children aren't taken care of. On top of it, the children suffer far more than society will.
Adopt them, love them, and take care of them, or prevent them from being. Anything else is irresponsible.
While in college I worked in a group home for at risk youth. Each of these kids had been taken from their families by the state because of bad family situations. We the staff were the primary care givers. It was a terrible system, with many flaws, and there was tons of things I wish i could change about that scenario. Despite all the negative associated with it, I couldn't imagine looking any one of those kids in the eye and telling them it would have been better for them and society to have never gotten the chance to draw breath.
I've kept in contact with 3 of them, and of the 3, 2 now have a healthy normal life.
I've kept in contact with 3 of them, and of the 3, 2 now have a healthy normal life.
lol coming from someone who won't state their position on when life begins and wether you'll kill a 8-9 month baby in the womb. you have no credibility on this issue. why people even respond to a fool like you on this issue is beyond me. stfu or answer the questions.
I plan on adopting. We want two kids of our own and third one will be adopted. I told her I want to find a black kid so when he makes it to the NFL we can retire. No but serious though i do plan on adopting a child. A matter of a fact I would not have been born if it wasnt for adoption. My moms best friend was given up for adoption and when she went to go look for her real family she meet her brother who came down to meet her in CA and thats when my mom meet my dad.
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You guys need to go adopt, then. Intentions aren't doing anything for the children that need a family now. You are demanding that these children exist, therefor the only moral coarse of action is caring for them.
Otherwise, it is just empty talk.
Otherwise, it is just empty talk.
Bullshit. I sleep easily at night and i feel no sense of hypocrisy whatsoever stating publicly people need to take responsibilities of their actions.
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No bullshit. It is the truth. You are bullshitting yourself. There is no hypocrisy in stating people need to take responsibility. The hypocrisy comes in when you do not take responsibility while claiming that people should take responsibility.
Are you taking care of the human souls that you demand exist? No, you aren't. None of the pro-lifers in this thread are. I am not talking about this anymore until ya'll face that fact and admit to it, or go adopt a child who needs a home.
No. I am not talking about this anymore until you face that fact.
Both of you are Dickheads^^^^
We really won't miss you in this thread, or any other threads in the future dealing with abortion I assure you. I don't need to talk about what i've done to justify my opinions. neither does anyone else. have a good one
You don't talk for anyone else my friend. I like kelju's opinions as much as I like yours - keeps things interesting
I think abortion is basically legalized murder. Its pathetic what excuses people can come up with to kill a defensless little one.
I give money to an orphanage every month and have done that for like 15 years. I just started giving money to another one about a year ago so I put my money where my mouth is.
I give money to an orphanage every month and have done that for like 15 years. I just started giving money to another one about a year ago so I put my money where my mouth is.
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How would you enforce laws that force a woman to carry her baby?
We could sit around and blame faith for the worlds problems, but when it comes down to it, we've been fighting and bickering long before the Quran, Bible, Torah were around.
We could be apart of that bickering, bicker about the bickering, or just go to the gym and lift. I say lift.
God bless, guys!
We could be apart of that bickering, bicker about the bickering, or just go to the gym and lift. I say lift.
God bless, guys!
the same way those laws are enforced today. Before the child is viable Doctors are allowed to perform abortions. After they are viable we remind them of their Hippocratic oath which states to do no harm. Outside of protecting the life of the mother we prevent doctors from performing these procedures. seems pretty simple.
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Leviticus is a great part of the bible.
Nothing like cannibalism to keep the population numbers under control.
(26:29) "Ye shall eat the flesh of your sons, and the flesh of your daughters shall ye eat."
We need to remove the gun show loophole. I mean the birth control loophole millions of whores have used over the last 40 years to dismember their little ones.
Make killing a healthy baby a crime. Women are such cowards that kill for birth control. Its not just their body.
Men are even worse cowards for encouraging women to kill their healthy little ones. What a pathetic selfish society we have become. Any man that supports his woman getting an abortion for birth control is the lowest cowardly scum there is.
