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I agree, but states shouldn't be allowed to discriminate either. People shouldn't have to move to another state to avoid discrimination.
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Gay marriage
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I agree, but states shouldn't be allowed to discriminate either. People shouldn't have to move to another state to avoid discrimination.
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Prop 8 got the backing it needed because there were some gays that were trying to force churches that didn't agree with the gay marriage to marry them. The churches wouldn't do it, so the gays started suing the churches. This caused many churches to get behind the Prop with a lot of people and money. If it wasn't for that, I doubt Prop 8 would've passed -- blacks or no blacks.
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Ahh, gotcha. Well, I think they're wrong for trying to force churches to marry them. One thing I agree w Christians about is that the bible forbids it. Churches should have the freedom to make that decision, even if their religion is a lie.
Your totally correct. But I think this is such a hot button topic that some give and take is going to be required. Whether I like it or not.
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Correct. Just because one is gay -- whether it's a genetic or mental defect -- you shouldn't force people to go against their beliefs.
Honestly I don't care, let them do what they wish with their private life. And hell with lesbians they make some of the best porn.
I'm sorry, exactly how is anyone having religion imposed upon them? this is the worst argument because of how misunderstood it is. Where does it say you can't vote, or pass laws based upon your beliefs, even if those beliefs originate in your Faith? There is no law that states Christians, Muslims, Jews, Hindus, or any other individual can't vote their conscience based upon their religious/non-religious belief. To insinuate that is showing a complete misunderstanding of the Unites States basic laws.
In the United States we won't have a state religion. Meaning no Church of the United States like there is the Church of England. We have a bunch of retarded Middle School teachers who somehow can't get that point across to their students. Or maybe the students aren't paying attention when that basic point is made.
Basically separation of church and state in the US means that we won't pass a law saying you have to be a baptized member of the Church of the United States in order to obtain citizenship. Matter of fact the first amendment specifically protects my right to vote my religious beliefs.
The First Amendment to the United States Constitution provides that "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof ...." and Article VI specifies that "no religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States."
The First Amendment to the United States Constitution provides that "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof ...." and Article VI specifies that "no religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States."
well put.....
agreed! :-d
Who cares if it is?
I really don't.
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Because the only reason that people oppose gay marriage is their religion or tradition. Those are not reason enough to pass legislation to prevent someone from marrying.
Should we be allowed to pass legislation preventing interracial marriage?
Give me one legitimate reason why they should not be allowed to marry.
The federal government can't pass laws based on religious beliefs. The 14th amendment has been used by the supreme court to apply the Bill of Rights to the state governments.
Everson v. Board of Education - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Gay marriage and interracial marriage are totally different, and can't be compared. Being black, and being gay are different, and can't be compared. Just because you call it an illegitimate reason doesn't make it so.
tell me, should polygamy, and incest be allowed? we have laws against those, should they be repealed as well as unconstitutional, or is it constitutional to regulate marriage, and sex a little bit, but not towards homosexuals? The age of consent is different in different states. In one state something that is completely legal, may be labeled as rape just across the border. All because of dates on a calendar.
Marriage and sex is a state issue, and is regulated as such. Just as gay marriage should be regulated. People have the right to chose the societies laws and moral code they want to live in.
That doesn't apply here even remotely. There is no establishment of any denomination at all in this issue.
Holy hell. I didn't realize America had fallen so far. wow.
Seriously. Who gives a shit? If grandma and grandson get married how does it affect you?
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It's not different. If someone's religion says interracial marriage is a sin, they should be able to vote it into law according to you. You can't impose your religious views into law especially when it violates others rights. Is there a reason we should prevent it?
Can we pass laws preventing Catholics from marrying Muslims if someone's religion says its sinful?
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And, I dont give a shit about polygamy or incest. It doesn't affect me one bit.
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How bout divorce? Can we make divorce illegal since the bible says its immoral?
Or do you need it to be illegal so you can contain your urge to put the wood to your aunt Betty?
because those that do not have any such beliefs are then having the will of others imposed on them. it's the inherent problem when using non-facts to make real world decisions that most certainly effect the quality of life of others.
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So you're okay with laws passed that align with your beliefs, but not laws passed by that align with others' beliefs? Hypocrite.
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Which law have I supported that infringe on others rights?
Should we be able to pass laws preventing Catholics from marrying Jews?
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Nice red herring. Doesn't alter the fact that your stance on this issue is hypocritical.
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yes
If the American people wanted that law yes. there is nothing in the constitution that provides the right to divorce. At least nothing that I am aware of. If the people chose to live in a society where there is no divorce then yes, they have a right to do so. Regardless of what the bible says on the matter.
Being Catholic or Jew is different than being Gay. why do you confuse the two? It's up to the Priest, or Rabi to decide if they want to marry that couple. the law has nothing to do with it.
